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Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'

GUEST,number 6 10 Nov 08 - 03:15 PM
Ruth Archer 10 Nov 08 - 03:27 PM
Tootler 10 Nov 08 - 03:40 PM
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Cluin 10 Nov 08 - 03:54 PM
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Acme 10 Nov 08 - 05:24 PM
Gervase 10 Nov 08 - 05:25 PM
artbrooks 10 Nov 08 - 05:31 PM
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The Villan 29 Dec 08 - 01:29 PM
Jack Blandiver 29 Dec 08 - 01:33 PM
Zhenya 29 Dec 08 - 03:02 PM
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GUEST,woodsie 29 Dec 08 - 03:16 PM
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Subject: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 03:15 PM

Thinking about getting one. Should I get an iPod or one of those other brands such as LYRA, Creative Zen, Samsung or whatever.

Your opinions will be appreciated.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 03:27 PM

I have been loyal to the iPod for some years now. The interface with Mac products is so intuitive and user-friendly that even technophobes find them easy and engaging (even addictive?) to use.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Tootler
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 03:40 PM

This is less true with PC's. My daughter had so much trouble with iTunes (it kept wanting to do things she didn't) that she got rid of hers and bought an "other brand".

I have a Sony which I find works very well.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 03:43 PM

I meant the human interface with products made by Mac, Tootler. I have always used my iPod and iTunes with PCs and had no trouble at all. As long as you have a reasonably recent OS, there's usually no problem.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Cluin
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 03:54 PM

I have/had a RCA Lyra. It often froze on me for no reason and now the damn thing won't work at all for no reason. I definitely babied it. When it was working, I liked it. I won't get another of that brand.

And I won't ever get another Sony product. Every one I've ever owned broke down just after the warranty expired.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 03:58 PM

iPod for me. Never any problems and the 10,000 tracks I have stored take up about half the memory. I use a Belkin transmitter with it to send the iPod signal to the radio in my 20-year old Volvo, which has no CD player.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Acme
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 05:24 PM

iPod is overpriced. I've been looking around also, but will probably read reviews and settle for something with a broader range of features and a lower price. They are out there. You just have to get over going with a Brand Name.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Gervase
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 05:25 PM

I love my iPod. Tried a couple of others beforehand - a Zen and some other brand - but the iPod is far nicer.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: artbrooks
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 05:31 PM

I got a Sandisc, mostly on the advise of my teenaged niece who said her iPod needed a new battery entirely too soon. It works well.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Gervase
Date: 10 Nov 08 - 05:32 PM

The most important piece of kit, however, is the bit you stick in your ears. Whatever player you buy, be sure to buy some decent earphones with it. I bought a pair of Shure in-ear sound isolating 'phones with the iPod and they are massively better than any of the earphones that come as standard with any MP3 player.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: number 6
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 01:19 PM

A belated thanks everyone for the info and advice.

I made my decision and bought an iPod Classic. Much of my decision was based on the size ... very slim, and the quality seems to be there. The one I bought was on sale (still rather $pricey$ though). My son urged me on about the iPod ... then I find out he went the other day and bought a Nano to replace his older iPod .... Hmmmm.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: The Villan
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 01:29 PM

This is my recomendation in the UK. It is excellent

http://www.mchmedia.co.uk/media-box-touch-45-c.asp


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 01:33 PM

I bought my wee Technika mp3 player three years ago at Tesco for £10 - holds about 2 hours & sounds a treat.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Zhenya
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:02 PM

number 6 - the nano IS an iPod - just a different one from the iPod classic. Over the last few years, I've acquired 3 sizes of iPods (classic, nano, and shuffle) which I use for different purposes, and I've been very happy with them. I've run into the occasional glitch with the iPods or iTunes, but have always been able to resolve these after a bit of web research. From what I've heard, similar problems or worse can occur with any brand of players.

The one bit of advice I'd give is that you don't input any iTunes or iPod updates the moment they come out. Wait a few weeks, and check iLounge.com or the iTunes/iPod forums on the Apple website to see if any problems are caused by the updates. Often, there's a second update a few weeks later to fix these kind of problems. I'd then wait a few more weeks, and if no major issues surface online, then it's safe to update.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Gervase
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:08 PM

Whatever player you get, you'll probably end up wanting one with more storage. I started with a 4Gb nano, upgraded to an 8Gb after a couple of weeks, and within a month I'd acquired an 80Gb Classic. That's now nearly full. It has become my most indispensable gadget though - it goes almost everywhere with me. The monthly FolkCast podcast is, of course, a 'must have' for your iPod!


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:16 PM

Ipod - I was wary at first but as soon as you unpack it, you realise that you have something special. It may be expensive - but you get what you pay for. save a few pounds if you want inferior junk. I have purchased 6 different ipods over the last 3 years. Ipod touch, Ipodvideo, nano etc for myself and my family they are great.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:40 PM

I don't know about iPods...I stayed away from them because I've had problems before with gadgets that use proprietary formats. Instead, I bought a Sony Walkman MP3 player. So far, it's been very good. I can use the Sony Media Manager I downloaded, or I can load tunes on it with Windows, which treats the player as a removable drive.

I don't like earbuds, so I usually plug my player into an external amplifier and speakers - and it works pretty well at low volume with the unamplified speakers I have next to my bed. It sounds terrific with over-the-ear headphones.

My Honda Civic has a CD player that plays MP3, so I burn nine or ten albums onto a CD, and then I don't need the Walkman in the car.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: number 6
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:10 PM

Zhenya ... my mistake ... I do realize a nano is an iPod ... I meant to say he went out a bought the MS Zune. Thanks for the advice on the 'updates'

biLL


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Tootler
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:35 PM

Ruth Archer,

Whether or not the interface of the iPod with the Mac is intuitive or not I am not in a position to comment as I don't use a Mac.

However, my daughter's finding was that the interface on the PC was not intuitive and she is by no means a dummy when it comes to using computers.

She was given an iPod shuffle by her sister and she found that when the iTunes software "synchronised" her files it would copy tracks to the iPod she did not want and she had difficulty controlling what went on to the iPod. The shuffle does not seem to have a setting to enable drag and drop, so that was not an option.

It was not a matter of having an out of date OS either as she was running WinXP SP2 at the time.

I suspect that some of the problem was that Apple possibly made the underlying assumption that "everybody" would populate their players with tracks downloaded from iTunes (thus making Apple lots of money) whereas my daughter downloads very few tracks but puts together compilations from her own CD collection.

I gave her a Sony for her birthday this year and she seems quite happy with it. I chose a Sony because I have had a number of Sony products over the years and have found them to be good quality and reliable. It is the same model as I have myself.

The only time I had a problem with a Sony product was with one of their later mindisk recorders and that was not to do the with the quality of the machine but rather a problem with the software that came with them which limited how often you could upload your own recordings to the PC and also they were uploaded in Sony's proprietary format with no software to convert them to one of the generally available formats so you could not edit the recordings. I think this came about because they were paranoid about the digital rights issue and assumed that anyone make recordings was probably ripping off someone else's copyright rather than genuinely make their own recordings. Though Sony apparently did relent on this in their minidisk software, they effectively shot themselves in the foot over this as the minidisk format was effectively killed off, especially once the quality solid state recorders started coming on the market. I eventually got fed up and frustrated and bought an Edirol R09.

I agree with Gervase about buying better earphones, though. My first Sony mp3 player had a superior set of earphones. Unfortunately it was stolen and earphones in the replacement were not as good so I had to get some better ones.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: number 6
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:57 PM

Regarding iTunes .... the default of the application is to synchronize everything you have in it's repository ... there is an option that you can set to 'synch' selected items only. A slight learning curve involved with iTunes but can easily be mastered within an hour.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 03:52 AM

Like most things, RTFM. We've become so used to 'intuitive' software that we've forgotten how to find out abut what it actually does and how to control it.
iTunes is impressively controllable, but you do need to use the quaintly old-fashioned 'help' menu. Call me a bluff old traditionalist if you will...


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Amergin
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 04:25 AM

I have a creative zen touch....it is a few years old....but I love it....the battery can be ran on continuous play for a good 25 hours....when it is fully charged...which is wonderful for long trips....


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 04:50 AM

I've been borrowing Manitas's Creative Zen, and I must say, other than not being able to run it off the mains power, I have had many hours of joyful listening from it.

I bought a cheap MP3 player for the car so that if anything does happen to it, I've not lost much, and it runs off one of those cassette converter thingies (no CD in our car and I dislike the wireless converter thingie that Manitas bought and used once, many months ago...).

My Inovix Ipocket ipod-lookee-likee has started doing something weird so I suspect it's going to be "retired" soon. When I plug it into the computer it tells me there are no files and it's empty, but when I turn it on to play, it has a whole heap of music files. These files then proceed to play on repeat, one file at a time and I can't work out how to stop them repeating or even progressing to the next file. Numerous deletes and expletives have resulted in another bit of equipment being kicked to the kerb and the cheap alternative brought up to the front. Oh, and the Inovix Ipocket ipod-lookee-likee uses a non standard jack so I can't even snaffle the very good quality headphones for other purposes. The adaptor for Inovix to standard jack has a wire loose and a replacement would cost more than the new MP3 for the car did.

Don't get an Inovix.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Zhenya
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 02:13 PM

Re: Learning to use iTunes and iPod

In additon to the iTunes Help section and the online sites already mentioned in this thread, I've found this book to be a great resource as well:

iPod: The Missing Manual
by Jude Biersdorfer and David Pogue


iPod: The Missing Manual


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: C. Ham
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 02:28 PM

I traded my 8gb Ipod for an 8gb Sony and find the sound MUCH better and the interface easier on PC. I also do not need to be a slave to iTunes.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: GUEST,boosh
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 04:38 PM

get a sony walkman mp3 player. they're really easy to use and you don't need to download iTUNES to put music on it, instead you can drag and drop files onto it, or use windows media player. you can get a choice of 4gb, 8gb or 16gb on most of the sony models, and one even has wireless headphones. i got one a few months ago and have been very impressed with its reliability


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: podman
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 10:43 PM

Sansa Fuze


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 04:48 AM

Cheapskates, you can say what they want about tour inferior, poor imitations of one of the greatest inovations to come out in recent years. The software is brilliant and piss easy to use. It is simply miles ahead of the other junk!


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 04:53 AM

I started out with a Creative Zen, but the software was horrible and the damned thing packed in after about six months. Not only that, but it was a great big ugly thing that put me in mind of early mobile phones... I only got it because it was going cheap. I soon understood why! Having said that, I know people who swear by them. I also know people who believe in fairies, so I suppose there's no accounting...

I have now converted to the church of i-pod. It's good looking, sounds great, is easy to use and unlike some I actually think the i-tunes software is a joy to use. I've never bought a download from the i-tunes store and I don't intend to, but I don't particularly notice any pressure to use it.

The other thing, I wanted as much capacity as possible (working on the basis that it's better to have more than you need than not enough) and once you get up to the 160 gb models there is precious little choice, and I didn't want the sort of thing Creative and Archos are focusing on where it's all about a relatively big screen so you can watch telly and look at photos. Mine's strictly for music...

Finally, far more important than the type of player is what to do about backing up. Being mildly paranoid about technology conspiring to fail me, I have my music collection backed up on an external hard drive and on rewritable DVD-roms. And I kept all my CDs just in case, not that this will help with stuff that I downloaded...

Finally (honestly!) if you're going to rip your CD collection onto mp3, you should seriously consider reading this article: excellent advice, I reckon... The Chris Myden method


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 05:21 AM

Are you talking about the same Creative Zen Liz was? Barely bigger than than battery that powers it? Doesn't need any particular software to load it except maybe a driver? Mind you, my demands are few - I just load the music and stick it on random play!


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 05:24 AM

"the iTunes software "synchronised" her files it would copy tracks to the iPod she did not want and she had difficulty controlling what went on to the iPod."

As others have said, a simple drop-down choice from automatic synchronise to manual solves this problem. My daughter and I used to use the same iTunes, and the places where our musical tastes converge are rare, yet we never found any problem with downloading unwanted tracks to either of our iPods while we had iTunes on manual synch. She has had both a shuffle and a nano.

You're right, Spleen Cringe - there's no pressure to use the iStore, but it's there if you want it. I find iTunes a very user-friendly way of filing and storing my music, and I do use the iStore from time to time (like when I needed a dose of Bing Crosby just before Christmas and I needed it NOW). It is wonderful for those instant gratification moments.

The iPod is simply a beautifully designed piece of kit, which is very easy to use. Either design floats your boat or it doesn't, but the gorgeousness of my iPods has definitely endeared them to me. So much so that I bought an iPhone recently. Now THERE'S a gorgeous and incredibly useful thing. I now keep my old (four years, no new battery) iPod at home, permanently docked to my speakers. And the iPhone is my on-the-go music system now.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: The Villan
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 05:29 AM

Spleen Cringe - Chris Myden method.

Ouch my head is hurting.

Great link and thanks for that. Going to take my time understanding it, then give it a go.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 05:43 AM

Manitas - no, it was one of these monsters... Ugh!


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 05:45 AM

Villan, it is a bit painful at first, but suprisingly easy once you get past all the techno-speak... honest!


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Susan of DT
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 06:54 AM

I have two Creative Zens. First I bought the older "big" one with 6 Megs. It is 3x2x.75 inch. Then I got a Zen Stone for $40 with 1 Meg - I think they are up to 4 Megs now. That is tiny - 2x1.5x.5. I loaded them with songs ripped from my CDs with no problems. I have changed which songs are on there a couple of times - usually with ballads I am working on. Once I got the Stone, I stopped using the bigger one. I use it in the gym all the time and almost never anywhere else. Why get an expensive ipod, when there are other brands that are fine?


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Bernard
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 04:31 PM

My vote is for the Creative Zen V. My father has a Sandisk Sensa e280 (I think...!), and it's far more quirky to use than the Zen. I echo the crticisms about the iTunes software, though maybe it's no worse than Windoze Media Player, really.

I still use my Creative Nomad Jukebox II in the car with an FM link. It's big and clumsy (similar size and shape as a CD Walkperson), but has a 20Gb notebook drive in it (came with a 10Gb but I did some surgery...). The software that came with it (Creative PlayCenter) is that good that they had to bring out an update so it wasn't as good any more!! I still use the original, because it has all sorts of stuff that has been removed from later versions and can't be found in WMP or iTunes.

Progress? I sometimes wonder!


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: GUEST,Paul
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 01:51 PM

Hi

Hope this isn't hijacking the thread. Just wondering if anyone has come across an MP3 player that can record with an external microphone in as session or a workshop?

Thanks in advance

Paul


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 02:47 PM

The older Samsung units we use do not doohickie files up as uncopyable or link thru to PC copyright-reporting software. And sound great. I have a few extra-- PM for details but I'll be away till Feb. 1.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 02:56 PM

I use my MD Player, and when I can get 14CD's on one storage disc, that's enough for me. I can also record live music on it with a decent microphone.


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Subject: RE: Tech: mp3 player .. iPod or 'other brand'
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:05 PM

Paul:

There are downloadable applications that enable a new iPod or an iPhone to record to MP3 format.

For my money, the iPhone gives you the greatest amount of capability per cubic inch of any. Mail, pictures, player, recorder, phone, text mssger, etc, plus internet browser and photo album.


A


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