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An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)

Sleepy Rosie 19 Nov 08 - 11:33 AM
Suegorgeous 19 Nov 08 - 01:23 PM
Sleepy Rosie 19 Nov 08 - 02:24 PM
Jack Campin 19 Nov 08 - 02:39 PM
Suegorgeous 19 Nov 08 - 06:07 PM
Malcolm Douglas 19 Nov 08 - 07:36 PM
Jack Campin 19 Nov 08 - 07:43 PM
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Subject: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 11:33 AM

I was discussing the notion of 'singing the soul onwards' via PM with another poster here, and while looking around for more decent information on this notion (practice?), landed on this song 'An Cronan Bais'

Can anyone tell me something about this song? And could it be sung solo?

Cheers, Sleepy Rosie


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Subject: RE: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 01:23 PM

ummm, Rosie....what's PM mean?

I have an odd fascination with death songs and the like.... so what and where is this song and lyrics? where did you find it and what is the translation?

I've got on cd somewhere an Irish keening song, if anyone's interested. (wonder what all this says about me!)

Sue


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Subject: RE: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 02:24 PM

Hey Sue, PM = short for 'private message' or that could be personal message, not sure.

I found it online on a Celticy type site, I'll have to look again to find it though.

I fink, the lyrics MIGHT possibly be taken from the Carmina Gadelica. But the translation starts off like this:

"Home thou art going tonight,
to the winter ever-house
The autumn, summer and springtide ever-house
Home art going tonight on music of cantors
White angels thee wait on the shores of the Avon"

And it goes on. I'll post the rest up, but not right now.


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Subject: RE: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 02:39 PM

I've got the tune in ABC in the modes tutorial in my website (because it's very unlike most Scottish tunes). I don't know any more than what the Kennedy-Fraser edition has to say about it.

http://ww.campin.me.uk


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Subject: RE: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 06:07 PM

Well, I found this:

http://www.pagan-transitions.org.uk/resources/gaelic.htm

which implies that An Croan Bais is a generic term for this kind of song.

Rosie - would love to have the words (and website?) when you can.

Jack - that link just takes me to a blank page....

Done a search, not come up with anything apart from the above. Anyone??


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Subject: RE: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 07:36 PM

Simply insert the missing 'w' into Jack's link.

A scan of a setting for voice and piano can be found in pdf format at http://www.seanet.com/~inisglas/images/ancronanbaissongsheets.pdf.

No information is given as to where it was copied from. Songs of the Hebrides, presumably. Certainly not Carmina Gadelica.

I'd take anything you find on those neo-pagan 'Celtic' websites with a large pinch of salt, though; particularly those that don't tell you how they know all the things they announce as 'fact'. MacLeod himself cobbled the text together from bits and pieces ('various fragments are pieced together here', he wrote); whether any of it genuinely belongs to the tune I don't know. There is a chapter devoted to it in MacLeod's The Road to the Isles: Poetry, Lore and Tradition of the Hebrides (Edinburgh: Grant & Murray, 1927, 127-134, 'The Death Croon'): very romantic, but not very informative.


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Subject: RE: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 07:43 PM

I left out a w.

http://www.campin.me.uk


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Subject: RE: An Cronan Bais (The Death Croon)
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 20 Nov 08 - 07:13 AM

Doh! didn't spot the missing w - thanks Malcolm.

I agree with you about neo-pagan sites.

It seems a pretty heavily christian text to me, anyway. Not one I'm drawn to sing. Might try the tune though.


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