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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 02:44 PM

As my posts about this thread have now been removed, for some reason, here's Mick's again.

RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Big Mick - PM
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 02:23 PM

Every time I open this thread, I am reminded of the kid in class while I was in high school. The bullies, and those so low in self esteem that they had to point out others faults to feel good about themselves, would have a field day picking on the poor kid. As I grew older, I realized that in a sad way, that kid was getting what he craved also. Attention. I see a lot of bullies in these WAV threads, a lot of folks making themselves feel better by attacking an easy subject, and one person who revels in it. It will all make a fascinating case study one day when the inevitable researcher decides to study the fascinating interplays on the Mudcat. But some of you won't be very happy with what they find.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Stu
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 02:54 PM

Boomerang!


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 02:58 PM

Walkabout 3 vanished Lizzie, together with all the posts. Perhaps there is a reason. But why not let Big Mick repost his thoughts himself?

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:01 PM

Kylie!


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:09 PM

At the risk of being boring and repetitive myself, this is what I've posted in the "England's National Musical-Instrument" thread:

---
Strange as it may seem, I believe that David is absolutely entitled to hold the views he holds - we do, after all, still (just about) live in a democratic country - and he can think and speak as he likes. It shouldn't be any other way.

However, David chooses to promote some views which are felt to be abhorrent by many on this forum - in thread after thread. He pushes them in our faces. I wouldn't even mind that, IF - and it's a really important IF - he would accept the challenge of honest debate and substantiate, with hard evidence, the views he holds.

I would also prefer a moving target - God knows it would be far more stimulating. The crux of it all is whether you think that the constant promotion of these views matters or not. Do you stand back, shrug your shoulders and say, "Aw, what the hell, he's harmless enough", and metaphorically walk away. Or do you say, "It's insidious, and ultimately detestable - and not harmless." And then you don't walk away. The fact that the whole business becomes tedious and repetitive is perhaps the price for not walking away.

That's the point.
---


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:20 PM

There's a difference between a typo and not actually being very good at English, Stiggy, old sprout.

And I don't set myself up as a poet, who should at least have some mastery over the language they are attempting to use as their tool.

Don't even get me started on the random hyphen generator...


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:22 PM

Actually, that is pretty close, Will Fly, but not totally there. Those are your choices, and which one you follow doesn't matter to us. But when the attacks go ridiculously personal, when the comment on the poetry, prose, and opinion, simply amounts to piling on, that is where the problem comes.

Thread closures come when a thread descends into the realm of ignoring the issue and attacking the person. In this case, an over zealous Moderator closed the thread because they were exasperated with the originator, and with the know it all bullies. What should have been done was simply to delete the posts that don't comply with the minimalist policies we have. The petty sniping stuff I have seen earlier in the thread deserved deletion. The stuff in the last 10 or so posts doesn't rise to deletion level, but we are keeping an eye on it.

And yes, you should all use the Preview button before posting. When you are feeling nasty, type your post, then go play handball or something, then come back and read it and see if you really have to post the nastiness. I have been doing that lately when I start to get ornery. Mods are people too, you know. ***chuckle***

Mick


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:37 PM

I just checkED my spelling guide, Ruth, and it does have "broadcasted"; "has broadcasted" and "will broadcast" sound correct to me...

149 of 230: FOR BETTER OR WORSE

Largely due to America,
    English - to use Italian -
Is now the world's lingua franca,
    Where, it seems, it once was Latin;
But, while brogues are a good thing,
    I doubt American spelling.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:38 PM

Mick - your points are taken and understood. The originator of the thread which exasperated the "over-zealous Moderator" was me, as I'm sure you know. Ironically, I started it as a lampoon because I wearied with the sheer exasperation of the impossibility of engaging in any serious debate elsewhere. I would much prefer the serious debate.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Stu
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:38 PM

I agree Mick, but there is more to this than meets the eye. A look at the 'England's National Musical Instrument' thread will reveal why this poster has attracted such attention. Once more, this thread has contributions from some of the leading lights in English folk music who feel their music is under serious threat - check the fascist thread to see the story and you'll see why people have got tetchy.

That thread too has descended into a bit of a ugly mess, although there is some good advice on there so closing rather than deleting might be in order. Try telling people it's not nice and see what happens though.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 03:50 PM

Yes, I understand both of your posts. And Joe and I are keeping an eye on these things in order to not let them descend into the morass. The discussion of the preservation of English Folk Music is a serious one, and deserving of spirited debate and discussion. And it is far too serious to allow it to descend into personal attack.

I would encourage you all to stick to the issue, feel free to critique as this is why the stuff is posted here, and be passionate in your views. But stay away from the petty stuff. That will not be allowed.

Back to the shadows.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:06 PM

'Broadcast' is treated differently in different dialects and shows signs of changing with time. Since the root is from the word 'cast', one available (first choice of the OE) past tense is 'broadcast', the other less preferred one is 'broadcasted'. However, the past participle (as used above in the post in question) is only given as 'broadcast'.

So the traditional English usage would be "has broadcast"

It's not a spelling error, it's a grammatical error ie using the past tense instead of the past participle.

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:07 PM

"has broadcasted" is actually the Americanism.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 07:48 PM

Uh--not among American broadcasters, however.

Don Firth (eight years in the business)


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 01:14 PM

All I need to add (until the Weekly Walkabout tomorrow) is that, all things considered, I think democratic regulationism (similar to socialism) with nationalism of a kind (same link), NOT fascism, is the best way, Stigweard.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 05:39 PM

democratic regulationism (similar to socialism) with nationalism of a kind

Now why does that ring a bell?
There was once a famous Austrian chap...


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: irishenglish
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 12:56 AM

Well...imagine that. After some pretty big chunks of time over the last month, I posted something which was in jest, and something I have posted on other walkabout threads before, which was promptly deleted. Maybe its because its because I have been insanely busy at work, and haven't been on mudcat since the US election, that I hadn't noticed the current state of the walkabout threads. I posted a self written mild jab at David based on the extremely well known Fairport song Walk Awhile. Ok, I have posted this on walkaboutsverse threads before, but I gotta tell you-moderator, or moderators, that I am royally pissed. Considering that WAV perpetually answers questions put to him with the same answers ad infinitum, my use of an inoffensive joke is to put it mildly, rather infuriating. I will freely admit to losing my temper with various posters on here on occasion, but I like to think that I have taken care of that either in public or in private with the individual. Tempers get the best of you sometimes, and for those that have witnessed that and may have felt slighted, my apologies. But the deletion of such a mild post pisses me off. Its not anyones right to tell me that I should refrain from joining a thread if I disagree with it, or to stay above the BS line. I have shared a lot of jokes, and some good solid info in the year plus I have been on mudcat regularly. But the deletion of this one post seriously makes me question why I should bother. David has very backward views, is a shameless self promoter of his own work that would make even "Dr." Brinkely, for those who know whom I speak of might attest to, yet his ramblings, manifesto, life's work, whatever you seek to call it, go on, day after weary day, with little admonishment. Maybe its a good thing I have been quiet the last couple of weeks, because if I had been more on the ball, this may not have come out so nice. If I am guilty of repetition to all you who seek to prop up a man that has to defend nearly EVERY blessed thing that he writes, questionable on so many levels (women and tennis anyone-just check WAV's views about that, which are on record here)then I will admit guilt. Far be it from me, to challenge someone who holds that view with glee in 2008 and expect a hastily composed parody of an almost 40 year old song stick around on a public forum for more than 5 minutes to think that. Of course, I must have it all wrong to expect such a thing. Thanks mudcat, I'm ever so grateful. Another post lost to the dust.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 03:34 AM

In reallity, maybe it's time to pull the plug on WalkaboutsVerse, he does not stimulate any ' good ' debate, he generates nothing but bad feeling on this usually pretty tolerant messaage board, someone do the decent thing.

eric


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 05:36 AM

(If I post the same replies "ad infinitum", IE, it's because I receive the same accusations/insinuations ad infinitum/ad nauseum - e.g., to Smokey this time, I hate imperialism: be it Nazi, Victorian, or any other.)

THE WEEKLY WALKABOUT, E.G.

Poem 224 of 230: THE NATIVITY

Vis-à-vis S.C.,
    I prefer to see
Christian children's glee
    When they play-out the
Coming of J.C. -
    The Nativity.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Will Fly
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 06:10 AM

OK David - one last time. If you genuinely hate racism (for example), why do you post such phrases as:

* "perhaps hoping for the ethnic vote" - what is the "ethnic vote"?

* "English culture is taking a hammering" - from whom? how?

You have never yet answered such questions as these directly, with real evidence, but only the self-referential links to your own website.

If you would engage in genuine debate, rather than constantly repeated assertions - and give full and considered replies to the questions about the propaganda that you continuously post - then you would perhaps not cause the frustration that often morphs into real irritation and anger with your threads.

However, it's all been asked a gigatrillion times before, so enough from me.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 07:47 AM

WAV if you really have anything to say, repeating yourself over and over does not aid your communication.

I can imagine your conversations in the forty counties you visited... If you shout loud enough these foreigners will eventually understand...

Linking to your tedious website answers nothing - even if you had the courtesy or skill to link directly to the point you consider germane.

I'm still not convinced that you're not a computer program caught in an illogical loop.

Regards

Stu


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 08:26 AM

If I post the same replies "ad infinitum", IE, it's because I receive the same accusations/insinuations ad infinitum/ad nauseum

No one has ever insinuated nor yet accused you of anything that can't be found writ large in either in your life's work or your various attempts at defending same. You are not the victim here, WAV - you are the perpetrator of a noxious & inhumanely racist set of ideas founded on lies, misinformation and general reactionary bullshit that would be worrying enough if you held such as opinions, but that you continue to promote and publish same, using this platform to do so (for whatever reason) not only justifies but openly invites the criticism and derision that you, and others (as it would appear) wrongly interpret as bullying tactics.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 01:12 PM

e.g., to Smokey this time, I hate imperialism: be it Nazi, Victorian, or any other.)

If I'm not mistaken WaV, you are the only person who has mentioned imperialism.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Stu
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 10:09 AM

Craig: 4

Arlene: 6

Len: 7

Bruno: 7


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: peregrina
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 10:18 AM

Smokey, Stig, come meet by the dustbin!


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Stu
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 10:26 AM

I love mint imperials though, does that count?

"blah blah blah . . . not only justifies but openly invites the criticism and derision that you, and others (as it would appear) wrongly interpret as bullying tactics."

Ah, right.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 12:16 PM

I hate mint imperials, be they Nazi or Victorian.

Was I wrong then? Ah well..


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 01:00 PM

I HAVE answered the latter criticisms (made, again, rather than posting any views on "S.C.") before.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Gervase
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 01:32 PM

The answers seem merely to be a link to www.drivel741.com. How is that supposed to answer any question - are we expected to wade through all that crap in the hope of turning up a pearl?


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 02:17 PM

Vis-à-vis S.C.,

Whilst I am irritated when manufacturers of Advent Calendars mix the religious imagery (Magi, Bethlehem, Manger etc.) with folkloric imagery (Santa Clause, holly, ivy etc.), I fully appreciate that both are essential to the integral experience of the Xmas Mythos, into which I would also introduce Dreidel spinning, and an Abundance of Fiddle-Faddle Stuff, Raw-Heads, Bloody-Bones, Buggy-Bows and suchlike Horrible Bodies. And I'd say kids experience more glee at the coming of SC than ever they do at JC - I know I certainly did - and still do. Otherwise - we're celebrating a many-layered festival here, which has the capacity of carrying us back even beyond the coming of JC, who only did so (on this day anyway) because of earlier calendrical associations which still might resonate wondrously with us SAD-sufferers.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 06:39 PM

I HAVE answered the latter criticisms (made, again, rather than posting any views on "S.C.") before.

As usual you didn't answer, you merely replied, with minimum effort and utter irrelevance.

Regarding "S.C." (the 'poem'), I didn't like it and I don't agree with it - but that's no more than my opinion. I find your preference for Christian children a little offensive too. Santa Clause is a bit of harmless fun, whereas religion is a rather different kettle of fish altogether, whatever one's leanings may be. For me, it's too contentious a subject for the current environment.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 03:47 AM

Christian children's glee

There is a deep and disturbing analogue underlying this poem which perhaps reveals the full extent of WAVs assimilation into English Culture as he absorbs the occult archetypes and eldritch ambiences only to regurgitate them as he takes his part in the collective cultural Zeitgeist. I mean, of course: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asq7TW4bRBU. In fact, much of WAVs poem could be sung to the same tune. The horror, the horror...

Now, forgive me, but needs must I now go and throw up. For the rest of you, here's the antidote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzTw4PYfROU


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 12:30 PM

...is the first of IB's links mistletoe and mime?…I never watch the X-Factor but it made the national news the other day, and before an English singer had finished singing her American-pop-style song she was tackled in an affectionate tearful scrum of fellow contestants about a metre from the mic - voice somehow staying "true"...?! And, apparently, one of the "judges" of suchlike, another S.C., Simon Cowell, is now a multi-millionaire…

"Within the broader music industry, and beyond, what some get for their hour's work, compared with others, is ridiculous and inhumane; hence, many relatively competent musicians within the folk-scene are really struggling to make ends meet; so, if we like fair competition, we don't like capitalism. A better way, as I've suggested in verse, is to accept that humans are competitive, and have strong regulations (partly via nationalisation) to make that competition as fair as possible – whilst also providing "safety-net" support" (from here).

P.S: "The Nativity" (above) was a Reader's Poem in Newcastle's "Evening Chronicle" about this time last year.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 12:42 PM

There seems to be something disquietingly exclusionary about that poem.

". . . Christian children's glee. . . ."

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 01:07 PM

You yourself Wavy are in no way competitive, at least as I have so far heard from you.   A truly competitive person wouldn't be sitting on their ass at your age amd living off the goverment.

So let me try once again to explain that real-world competitive people, the true hardcore types which are the best, pay only lip service to "fairness." Fair means nothing except as a place you go to see quilts, eat greasy food, and wander through pig barns. Super competitors are looking for an advantage and they really don't give two shits where it comes from.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 02:58 PM

A better way, as I've suggested in verse, is to accept that humans are competitive, and have strong regulations (partly via nationalisation) to make that competition as fair as possible

Please define "fair" and "competition" and "strong regulations".

While you're at it, perhaps you could also explain how and where you'd like to see non-Christian children, and why.

It's because you don't or won't explain yourself adequately that people are apt to jump to the most obvious conclusions WaV, but then I think you know that only too well. You (presumably) wrote this stuff; you must be aware of the thought processes that led to you writing it - the reasoning behind your conclusions. It must be perfectly obvious to you by now that your conclusions do not stand up on their own, except perhaps in your own mind. Let us know what they are based on, then perhaps meaningful discussion of your ideas could take place. After all, that is the primary purpose of a forum.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 09:50 AM

I have to say, I understood WAV's last poem slightly differently than some of you. I don't think he was saying he actually prefers Christian children; I think he's saying that, when children are Christian, he prefers to see them enjoying the nativity rather than Father Christmas.

Of course, the key problem is that, when WAV sees white British children, he is probably assuming that they are Christian. But many children are not. My daughter isn't; neither were her father, his siblings, or his parents. You'd have to go back to her great-grandparents' generation to find anyone with any kind of faith. I don't think this is a particularly unusual situation these days.

In an increasingly secularised society, a nativity play is a lovely bit of common folklore for everyone to enjoy, but assuming that it has a particular relevance for the participants is a misapprehension, IMHO.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 10:34 AM

I agree with Ruth Archer, very few white English people pay much more than lip service to Christianity, if even that. But on something of a related tangent, I have read some very interesting material, of which I'm sure many people here will be aware, which presents a highly compelling theory that Jesus was in fact black. I was interested enough to research this theory further, and have since stumbled upon what is I think proof that our usually pale skinned, blond and blue eyed Jesus, was in fact a dark skinned Saviour.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 11:17 AM

Rosie, those are brilliant - I've just watched all of them! But one thing is bothering me: as he's clearly in LA (or somewhere similar) and American, why does the opening sequence show him in Boots?!

(yes, yes, because he's omnicient...)


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 11:44 AM

Well as the geezer was a healer Ruth, I guess he has to hit the pharmacy for the odd asprin and corn plaster sometimes? Just a thought... Got to admit, though I'm a bit of a gnosticy heathen type, that trick with the 'water into Hennessey' was pretty damned cool. I'm almost moved to convert!


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 12:52 PM

Logically, it's most likely that the appearance of Jesus would have been Middle-Eastern - despite all the ethnocentric paintings portraying otherwise.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: s&r
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 04:27 PM

We don't want this fellow living next door to us, huh WAV
Engineer's view of Jesus


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 05:01 PM

Yeah, interesting.   But I seriously doubt the accuracy of that depiction. However, the reasoning is certainly sound, and I'm sure it's closer than the usual depictions, which come from classical Italian Renaissance paintings. Some of the depictions on Greek Orthodox icons are probably closer.

Jesus was a nice Jewish boy, after all, until he pissed off a batch of Pharisees and Romans.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 05:20 PM

"I've just watched all of them"

I watched the link Rosie posted. Thank you, Rosie! Bloomin' marvellous stuff. I want a full, feature-length movie! Now! But what, oh Ruth, are the "rest of them" implied by "all of them"?

Feed me! I need to see more...

Please...


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 05:30 PM

just look to the right of the original clip, and you'll see links...


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 06:06 PM

I don't think he was saying he actually prefers Christian children; I think he's saying that, when children are Christian, he prefers to see them enjoying the nativity rather than Father Christmas.

I think you are quite possibly right Ruth, but you've illustrated my point very well by having to say it for him.

However, I suspect that he would prefer children in this country to be all Christian, and that is what I find offensive. Perhaps he might have the good manners to confirm or deny that.

The bottom line is that he would much rather wind people up than explain himself.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 06:26 PM

Jesus looked like This, didn't he?


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 06:29 PM

Nah - that's Johnny Winter.


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 07:38 PM

It always makes me snort a bit when somebody proclaims that they have seen an image of the Virgin Mary (a stain of some sort on a building window—CLICKY #1, CLICKY #2—a stain on a concrete wall—CLICKY #3, or the remains of a grilled cheese sandwich—CLICKY #4), and then vast hordes of pilgrims come to bask in the benedictions that are supposed to emanate from such an image. When you take a look at the image, it sometimes vaguely resembles someone with a hood or a shawl over their head, but you really have to squint and use your imagination to make it work.

How do they know it's the Virgin Mary? Why couldn't it be Sister Mary Attila at the parochial school two blocks away? Or Mimi in Act III of La Boheme? Or Lucrezia Borgia? Or Quasimodo in a hoody? I think the Rorschach principle might just have a lot to do with it.

Or even in an egg salad sandwich (I'm just not seeing this one).

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: The Weekly Walkabout cum Talkabout
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 08:10 PM

I can't help thinking that a large slice of wishful thinking is involved - 'faith'? I dunno, I never could quite come to terms with all that sky-pilot stuff, and I'm 100% against indoctrinating children with it.


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