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Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotland]

GUEST,Ptarmigan 01 Dec 08 - 01:38 PM
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Subject: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST,Ptarmigan
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 01:38 PM

I carried out a wee survey on a couple of forums recently, to try & get an idea of just how many players of the English Concertina there are in Scotland & Ireland, today.

The results, so far are Scotland: 43 & Ireland: 8

Here they are, in no particular order!

SCOTLAND:

Hamish Bayne, Jack Bethel, Bob Blair, Stewart Brown, Pamela Carr, Norman Chalmers, Selby Cochrane, Simon Cooper, David Corner, Oscar St Cyr, John Eaglesham, Stuart Eydeman, Archie Fisher, John Gahagan, Jean Graham, George Haig, Simon Harbord, Pete Heywood, Gordon Hotchkiss, Astryd Jamieson, Nigel Jelks, Joseph Kent, John Leavy, Iain MacDonald, Tom Martin, John McCourtney, Tom McDermott, Marta McGlynn, Geordie McIntyre, Brian McNeill, Mike Penny, Dave Richardson, Derek Richardson, Helen Ross, Wendy Stewart, Steve Sutcliffe, Bob Thomas, Simon Thoumire, Erland Voy, Ann Ward, Tom Ward, Frances Wilkins & Alan Wright.

& not to be forgotten {4}:

Peter Hall, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie & Roy Williamson.

IRELAND:

Joanne { Jefferies }, Dick Miles, Rick Epping, Madeline O Dowd, Liam Clancy, Stephen Chambers, Mick Kinsella & Dick Glasgow.

Do you know of any others?

Oh & before any pedant here moans about this not being scientific, of course it's not, I'm just trying to get an indication of numbers, that's all.
Before carrying out the Scottish one I was told by an expert there that there were only a handful of players in Scotland, but in fact we now know that there are at least 43 ...... unless of course he has big hands!

... perhaps he's a Klingon?

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 01:50 PM

What about England???


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 01:54 PM

Tony Caniffe,he spends half his time in Scotland and half in Ireland.


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 02:32 PM

"What about England???"

Ralphie, as I'm sure you will know, the English Concertina was invented by an Englishman so, surprise, surprise, England is actually full of English Concertina players, so there is little need to ask that question.

However, Scotland & Ireland are very much unknown quantities.

Thanks Captain Birdseye.
As the family is from Ireland & actually lives here, I'll put Tony on the Irish list.

Cheers
Dick

IRELAND:

Tony Canniffe, Joanne { Jefferies }, Dick Miles, Rick Epping, Madeline O Dowd, Liam Clancy, Stephen Chambers, Mick Kinsella & Dick Glasgow.


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 02:37 PM

OK...I'll get me coat
On the way out I'll just mention Alistair Anderson, Keith Kendrick, Sheena Masson...


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 02:47 PM

Can anyone play this "meaningless list" game?
Lea Nicholson, Dave Townsend, Mary Humphreys . . .


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: Rasener
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:03 PM

Bill Whaley from Bill Whaley & Dave Fletcher - English and Duet concertina


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: JHW
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:06 PM

Steve Turner did us a great night at Skipton last week but as the first list was of Scottish and Irish players is the premise that we seek non-English players of the English Concertina?


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:08 PM

Alec Thompson.

I am just off to have a pint with him.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:47 PM

I carried out a wee survey on a couple of forums recently, to try & get an idea of just how many players of the English Concertina there are in Scotland & Ireland, today.
he is carrying out a survey of players who live in Scotland and Ireland,who play the English Concertina.
is that clear?


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:55 PM

Thanks for that, Captain.

It looks like some folks here, just read the thread's title, without actually bothering to read the initial post to find out what it's all about, in the first place.

JHW wrote:

"is the premise that we seek non-English players of the English Concertina?"

Absolutely not JW.
If you read the existing lists, you will see quite a few English musicians names in there.
It doesn't matter to me where a musician just happened to be born.
I'm interested where they are living now & playing their English Concertinas.
They could be Chinese, Australian or Klingon, it really doesn't matter to me, just so long as they do play the English Concertina & are resident in Scotland or Ireland.

Clear now? :-)

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: Rasener
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:58 PM

Whatever.


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 08:31 PM

Joan Clifford is another Scottish one.


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: Compton
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 01:53 PM

There's this bloke named John Kirkpatrick...that might have a bit of Johnny Irish in him!


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 02:01 PM

He probably has but he plays an anglo . . .


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 02:09 PM

John Thornton (Hampshire) formerly of Ramskyte plays concertina. Well I don't know how much he plays now that Ramskyte is no more. Just the Christmas charity stuff I suspect. He has been doing the jazz thing with beautiful specially made bass guitar, lately.


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 02:35 PM

Jack, Diane & Tam.

Do Joan Clifford, John Kirkpatrick &/or John Thornton actually LIVE in either SCOTLAND or IRELAND?

If yes, which?

If not, then I'm sorry but they have absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread!

N. B. If in doubt, always read the original post, before posting your reply to a thread. :-)

Cheers,
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 02:42 PM

Sorry Dick,

Too much medication not enough rest. Does part time in Scotland count? Well John does have house in and goes to Scotland quite often. He may well play somewhere around Perthshire area when there.


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 03:11 PM

What I was pointing out was that John Kirkpatrick (who lives almost in Wales) doesn't even play an English but an Anglo.
Though what continues to puzzle me is why on earth do you discriminate against English players of an English instrument?
Is this a new brand of inverted racism?
If so, why?


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:01 PM

What! ????

There is absolutely no hint of any racism in this thread Diane. If I carried out a survey of Violin players in England, would you say I was automatically discriminating against Italians, because the Violin was invented in Italy, but I was only asking for names of players living in England?

I'm sorry but I don't see any logic in your question, at all!

In future, might I suggest that you please READ the original post CAREFULLY, before going off half-cock!

In that, you will see that there are in fact quite a few English people on the Scottish list.

If you considered this thread to be racist & discriminating against the English, that would be very serious indeed, so why oh why didn't you take the time & make the effort to read the original post, ....... or my second post half way down, where I wrote:

"It doesn't matter to me where a musician just happened to be born.
I'm interested in where they are living now & playing their English Concertinas.
They could be Chinese, Australian or Klingon, it really doesn't matter to me, just so long as they do play the English Concertina & are resident in Scotland or Ireland."

I had to explain myself there too because someone else hadn't bothered to read the original post, either!

Is this a common problem on this site, I wonder, people reading the thread title, but not the actual thread post?

Surely that'd be like skimming through a newspaper & just reading the headlines, but claiming to have read the whole paper, afterwards!

Anyway, I hope this is the last time I have to explain to people what this thread is all about.
I must say, I thought I made it pretty clear in my first post.

Perhaps I should copy my original post & post it after this one, just in case!

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:02 PM

For the benefit of those who don't bother reading past the thread title, here's my original post ... again!

"I carried out a wee survey on a couple of forums recently, to try & get an idea of just how many players of the English Concertina there are in Scotland & Ireland, today.

The results, so far are Scotland: 43 & Ireland: 8

Here they are, in no particular order!

SCOTLAND:

Hamish Bayne, Jack Bethel, Bob Blair, Stewart Brown, Pamela Carr, Norman Chalmers, Selby Cochrane, Simon Cooper, David Corner, Oscar St Cyr, John Eaglesham, Stuart Eydeman, Archie Fisher, John Gahagan, Jean Graham, George Haig, Simon Harbord, Pete Heywood, Gordon Hotchkiss, Astryd Jamieson, Nigel Jelks, Joseph Kent, John Leavy, Iain MacDonald, Tom Martin, John McCourtney, Tom McDermott, Marta McGlynn, Geordie McIntyre, Brian McNeill, Mike Penny, Dave Richardson, Derek Richardson, Helen Ross, Wendy Stewart, Steve Sutcliffe, Bob Thomas, Simon Thoumire, Erland Voy, Ann Ward, Tom Ward, Frances Wilkins & Alan Wright.

& not to be forgotten {4}:

Peter Hall, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie & Roy Williamson.

IRELAND:

Joanne { Jefferies }, Dick Miles, Rick Epping, Madeline O Dowd, Liam Clancy, Stephen Chambers, Mick Kinsella & Dick Glasgow.

Do you know of any others?

Oh & before any pedant here moans about this not being scientific, of course it's not, I'm just trying to get an indication of numbers, that's all.
Before carrying out the Scottish one I was told by an expert there that there were only a handful of players in Scotland, but in fact we now know that there are at least 43 ...... unless of course he has big hands!

... perhaps he's a Klingon?

Cheers
Dick"


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:05 PM

Diane, I should have twigged from your first reply:

"Can anyone play this "meaningless list" game?
Lea Nicholson, Dave Townsend, Mary Humphreys . . ."

.... that you hadn't bothered reading what this thread was actually all about.

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: Rasener
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:45 PM

Why are you posting as Guest. Is that to stir it?

Well I feel you are discriminating Dick, which is why I posted what I did. Of course I read your post. We are not all stupid.

English Concertina in England.

We English are getting fed up with the Welsh/Irish/Scottish getting everything for free whilst us English pay the cost.

English is English.

Stop desciminating.

Its time us English stood up for our rights.

Send Gordon Brown back to Scotland.

OK

I'll get me English Concertina


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Subject: RE: Players of the English Concertina?
From: Rasener
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:49 PM

Incidentally the thread says

Players of the English Concertina

It does not say Only Ireland and Scotland
It does now.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotland]
From: Rasener
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 05:31 PM

It does say that now, which is a bit late. In future make your title clear.

England forever. :-)

It used to be Britain forever, but if the other parts of Britain want to go their own way, so be it.

And no, we don't want Celtic and Rangers in the Premiership LOL:-)


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotland]
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 05:44 PM

Yes, Joan Clifford lives in Scotland (the Borders).

Spelling: Stuart Eydmann.

Ptarmigan asked something similar on the Footstompin forum, where maybe his intent was more easily grasped. The point is that there is a widely held belief that the English isn't a particularly good instrument for Scottish music - without the phrasing enforced by a bisonoric system, it can be hard to make it idiomatically expressive. And this is something I've noticed in some players. An anglo seems to give you an easier ride in the earlier stages (where that might mean your first 20 years of playing, with some people; there are some well-known performers who sound like robots to me).

So it was a reasonable question to ask who in Scotland used it.

Ptarmigan, PLEASE register. It's no harder than on Footstompin and it means you can use the personal message system.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 01:18 AM

Villan:

"Incidentally the thread says
Players of the English Concertina
It does not say Only Ireland and Scotland"

So are you saying it is common practice here for people to respond to only the title of a thread, without even bothering to read what the thread is actually all about, in the first post?

Villan:

"It does say that now, which is a bit late. In future make your title clear.
England forever. :-)
It used to be Britain forever, but if the other parts of Britain want to go their own way, so be it.
And no, we don't want Celtic and Rangers in the Premiership LOL:-)"

Ah, so you have read the title again, but from your last post, it is clear that you still haven't bothered to read my first post!
For the record, I did not add the [ Ireland Scotland ] to the title.
I don't mind it being added, but I would prefer to treat the readers here as adults.

From what you & one or two others are saying here, it sounds like you would probably be annoyed if I asked a question here about Sitar players in England, but didn't include players living in India, just because that's where the instrument was invented.

Can you not hear how daft you sound?

We all know that india is full of Sitar players, we all know that England is full of English Concertina players ..... so why ask? Duh!

Get over it .... PLEASE!

By the way, I personally don't like the jingoistic tone of your last reply.
I really don't think there is a place for this sort of talk, on a good forum.

For the record, I personally do not like any form of Nationalism, there being a very thin line between it & racism, fascism & the cuddly old National Front!

Here's a crazy idea, let's just stick to MUSIC .... on this music forum, eh!

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 01:42 AM

Jack,

Thanks for the back up info. I'll add Joan's name to the list, with pleasure .. Ta.

"Spelling: Stuart Eydmann."

... Ooops! I've only known Stuart personally for 35 years, spelling clearly isn't my strong point. :-(

As for your other back up info on the English/Anglo.
I reckon it comes down, once again, to the fact that there really are NO bad instruments out there, just bad players, or perhaps we should say, just players who haven't yet found the instrument that suits them best, for their chosen music.

"So it was a reasonable question to ask who in Scotland used it."

Ah good, well at least one person understood the question! :-)

"Ptarmigan, PLEASE register. It's no harder than on Footstompin and it means you can use the personal message system."

Sorry Jack, just lazy I guess.
Still, one good turn deserves another, so yes, I have now tracked down my old password.

Cheers
Dick

SCOTLAND ~ 44:

Hamish Bayne, Jack Bethel, Bob Blair, Stewart Brown, Pamela Carr, Norman Chalmers, Joan Clifford, Selby Cochrane, Simon Cooper, David Corner, Oscar St Cyr, John Eaglesham, Stuart Eydeman, Archie Fisher, John Gahagan, Jean Graham, George Haig, Simon Harbord, Pete Heywood, Gordon Hotchkiss, Astryd Jamieson, Nigel Jelks, Joseph Kent, John Leavy, Iain MacDonald, Tom Martin, John McCourtney, Tom McDermott, Marta McGlynn, Geordie McIntyre, Brian McNeill, Mike Penny, Dave Richardson, Derek Richardson, Helen Ross, Wendy Stewart, Steve Sutcliffe, Bob Thomas, Simon Thoumire, Erland Voy, Ann Ward, Tom Ward, Frances Wilkins & Alan Wright.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotland]
From: Rasener
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:24 AM

Dick
Had you been a member, I could have PM'ed you, but you were a guest. We can't Pm guests. Many guests just come on Mudcat just to stir, and thats what i thought you were doing.
Glad to see that you have sorted that out and are now a member and not a guest.
In future, if I have a problem understanding your post, I will send you a friendly PM :-)
Cheers and apologies.
Les


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 03:01 AM

Hey Les, nae bother, no harm done.

It's so easy to get the wrong end of the stick, in these discussions.

Yup, I have that T Shirt too! :-)

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotland]
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 05:51 AM

"The point is that there is a widely held belief that the English isn't a particularly good instrument for Scottish music -"

Yeah,that's an odd one in view of the love of piano and chromatic button accordeon. It's often used to object to the EC's use in Irish music as well - while complaining that a DG melodeon is too rhythmic and that only a BC can provide the smoothness and correct ornamentation (as if fiddle ornamentation was correct for accordeon).


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotland]
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 06:10 AM

I would just like to say that I neither play English concertina nor live in Scotland or Ireland so I have nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.

Just thought I would make that clear.

:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotland]
From: Paul Burke
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 06:23 AM

The point is that there is a widely held belief that the English isn't a particularly good instrument for Scottish music - without the phrasing enforced by a bisonoric system, it can be hard to make it idiomatically expressive.

But where the player lives then is surely irrelevant- it's the style of music they are trying to play that matters. Maybe a list of "players of Irish and Sottish Music on the english Concertina" is what the OP really wants?

But as for the phrasing, if bison style is a shiny cannon for Irish music, why the Sligo flute?


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 06:38 AM

where the player lives then is surely irrelevant

Precisely my point.

Sottish Music

I suppose this is Scots for soddish.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 03 Dec 08 - 05:34 PM

Diane:
"where the player lives then is surely irrelevant"
"Precisely my point."

So Diane, it is clear that you have still not read my original post, or you wouldn't be saying that! :-(

Manitas:
Re: Accordions in Irish Music, give me a C#/D box every time. I find most B/C playing a bit too rolly polly for my ears. Give me an Accordion with a bit of bite ... Melodeon style!

""The point is that there is a widely held belief that the English isn't a particularly good instrument for Scottish music -" Yeah Manitas, that's an odd one indeed. Personally speaking, I'd say it's ideal for Scottish Music. You just have to listen to someone like Norman Chalmers with the Bairns to hear how beautifully & ever so naturally it blends into a Scottish ensemble.

Paul:
"But where the player lives then is surely irrelevant"

Not at all Paul, it depends entirely on the question asked & in my original post, you will see that I make no mention of style, or what music any of the players actually play.
That's another question entirely ...... for another list.
Let's just stick to one list at a time eh, please! :-)

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 11:48 AM

Thanks to great Glasgow Dulcimer & Concertina player Jack Bethel, we can now add a few more names to the Scottish list.

46 now ... who'd have thunk it?

Plenty of room for more names though, so if you know of anyone, please let me know.

Cheers
Dick

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English Concertina players in Scotland {46}:

Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Joan Clifford,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Astryd Jamieson,
Nigel Jelks,
Brian Johnstone,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Maggie Macrae,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Drew Moyes,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.

Not to be forgotten {6}:

Mike Berry,
Archie Frame,
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.

******************************


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 04:05 AM

Just got another name. Susan McClure.

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English Concertina players in Scotland {47}:

Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Joan Clifford,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Astryd Jamieson,
Nigel Jelks,
Brian Johnstone,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Maggie Macrae,
Tom Martin,
Susan McLure,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Drew Moyes,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.

Not to be forgotten {6}:

Mike Berry,
Archie Frame,
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.

******************************


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 04:33 AM

Karen Beattie makes it "48" now!   

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English Concertina players in Scotland {48}:

Hamish Bayne,
Karen Beattie,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Joan Clifford,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Astryd Jamieson,
Nigel Jelks,
Brian Johnstone,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Maggie Macrae,
Tom Martin,
Susan McClure,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Drew Moyes,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.

Not to be forgotten {6}:

Mike Berry,
Archie Frame,
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 12:21 PM

Robert Chalmers makes it "49" now!

{ Yes, Norman's brother! }

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English Concertina players in Scotland {49}:

Hamish Bayne,
Karen Beattie,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Robert Chalmers,
Joan Clifford,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Astryd Jamieson,
Nigel Jelks,
Brian Johnstone,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Maggie Macrae,
Tom Martin,
Susan McClure,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Drew Moyes,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.

Not to be forgotten {6}:

Mike Berry,
Archie Frame,
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 04:38 PM

Edinburgh player, Alison Shepard makes it "50" now!   

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English Concertina players in Scotland {50}:

Hamish Bayne,
Karen Beattie,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Robert Chalmers,
Joan Clifford,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Astryd Jamieson,
Nigel Jelks,
Brian Johnstone,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Maggie Macrae,
Tom Martin,
Susan McClure,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Drew Moyes,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Alison Shepard,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.

Not to be forgotten {6}:

Mike Berry,
Archie Frame,
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 06:17 PM

What about the Welsh? Everybody seems to forget that we are celtic too!
Mary Humphreys


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 08:41 PM

Mary, this particular thread is about musicians who live in Scotland or Ireland & who play the English Concertina.

I do think it is helpful if these threads stick to one topic at a time though, so if you really are interested in Concertina players in Wales, then by all means, please start your own thread on that subject, thankyou!

Also, I'm not sure why you bring celtic into it, after all, let's face it, you don't have to be celtic to play a Concertina!

Oh & personally, I've never met anyone who DIDN'T know that the Welsh were celtic.

We must move in different circles.

Cheers
Dick


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 02:16 PM

English Concertina players in Scotland {53}:

Hamish Bayne ~ Orkney, Karen Beattie ~ West Lothian, Jack Bethel ~ Glasgow, Bob Blair ~ ?, Stewart Brown ~ Dundee, Sass Campbell ~ Morayshire, Pamela Carr ~ Edinburgh, Norman Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Robert Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Joan Clifford ~ Borders, Selby Cochrane ~ ?, Simon Cooper ~ ?, David Corner ~ ?, Oscar St Cyr ~ ?, Tom Donnelly ~ Glasgow, John Eaglesham ~ Glasgow, Stuart Eydeman ~ Edinburgh, Archie Fisher ~ Borders, John Gahagan ~ Glasgow, George Haig ~ Fife, Simon Harbord ~ ?, Gordon Hotchkiss ~ ?, Astryd Jamieson ~ Shetland, Nigel Jelks ~ Angus, Brian Johnstone ~ Glasgow, John Leavy ~ ?, Iain MacDonald ~ ?, Maggie Macrae ~ Glasgow, Tom Martin ~ Duncan McLennan, Susan McClure ~ ?, John McCourtney ~ Glasgow, Tom McDermott ~ Ayrshire, Marta McGlynn ~ ?, Geordie McIntyre ~ ?, Duncan McLennan ~ Inverness, Brian McNeill ~ ?, Drew Moyes ~ Glasgow, Mike Penny ~ ?, Jim Reid ~ Angus, Dave Richardson ~ ?, Derek Richardson ~ Perthshire, Helen Ross ~ Stirling, Alison Shepard ~ Edinburgh, Wendy Stewart ~ ?, Steve Sutcliffe ~ ?, Bob Thomas ~ ?, Dave Thomas ~ Morayshire, Simon Thoumire ~ Edinburgh, Erland Voy ~ ?, Ann Ward ~ Edinburgh, Tom Ward ~ Edinburgh, Frances Wilkins ~ Aberdeen, Alan Wright ~ Kilmarnock

Scottish players not resident {2}:

Dick Glasgow ~ Co Antrim, Jean Graham ~ France

Not to be forgotten {7}:

Mike Berry, Archie Frame, Peter Hall, Joseph Kent, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie, Roy Williamson.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 02:21 PM

The bandoneón is played extensively in Argentina, I'm told.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:16 AM

English Concertina players in Scotland {55}:

Hamish Bayne ~ Orkney, Karen Beattie ~ West Lothian, Jack Bethel ~ Glasgow, Bob Blair ~ ?, Stewart Brown ~ Dundee, Sass Campbell ~ Morayshire, Pamela Carr ~ Edinburgh, Norman Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Robert Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Joan Clifford ~ Borders, Selby Cochrane ~ ?, Simon Cooper ~ ?, David Corner ~ ?, Oscar St Cyr ~ ?, Tom Donnelly ~ Glasgow, John Eaglesham ~ Glasgow, Stuart Eydeman ~ Edinburgh, Archie Fisher ~ Borders, John Gahagan ~ Glasgow, George Haig ~ Fife, Simon Harbord ~ ?, Pete Heywood ~ Ayrshire, Gordon Hotchkiss ~ ?, Astryd Jamieson ~ Shetland, Nigel Jelks ~ Angus, Brian Johnstone ~ Glasgow, Alan Jones ~ East Kilbride, John Leavy ~ Kincardineshire, Iain MacDonald ~ ?, Maggie Macrae ~ Glasgow, Tom Martin ~ Duncan McLennan, Susan McClure ~ ?, John McCourtney ~ Glasgow, Tom McDermott ~ Ayrshire, Marta McGlynn ~ ?, Geordie McIntyre ~ ?, Duncan McLennan ~ Inverness, Brian McNeill ~ ?, Drew Moyes ~ Glasgow, Mike Penny ~ ?, Jim Reid ~ Angus, Dave Richardson ~ ?, Derek Richardson ~ Perthshire, Helen Ross ~ Stirling, Alison Shepard ~ Edinburgh, Wendy Stewart ~ ?, Steve Sutcliffe ~ ?, Bob Thomas ~ ?, Dave Thomas ~ Morayshire, Simon Thoumire ~ Edinburgh, Erland Voy ~ ?, Ann Ward ~ Edinburgh, Tom Ward ~ Edinburgh, Frances Wilkins ~ Aberdeen, Alan Wright ~ Kilmarnock

Scottish players not resident {2}:

Dick Glasgow ~ Co Antrim, Jean Graham ~ France

Not to be forgotten {7}:

Mike Berry, Archie Frame, Peter Hall, Joseph Kent, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie, Roy Williamson.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 12:38 PM

English Concertina players in Scotland {57}:

Neil Bayfield ~ Aberdeenshire, Hamish Bayne ~ Orkney, Karen Beattie ~ West Lothian, Jack Bethel ~ Glasgow, Bob Blair ~ ?, Stewart Brown ~ Dundee, Sass Campbell ~ Morayshire, Pamela Carr ~ Edinburgh, Norman Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Robert Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Joan Clifford ~ Borders, Selby Cochrane ~ ?, Simon Cooper ~ ?, David Corner ~ ?, Oscar St Cyr ~ ?, Tom Donnelly ~ Glasgow, John Eaglesham ~ Glasgow, Stuart Eydeman ~ Edinburgh, Archie Fisher ~ Borders, John Gahagan ~ Glasgow, George Haig ~ Fife, Simon Harbord ~ ?, Pete Heywood ~ Ayrshire, Gordon Hotchkiss ~ ?, Astryd Jamieson ~ Shetland, Nigel Jelks ~ Angus, Brian Johnstone ~ Glasgow, Alan Jones ~ East Kilbride, John Leavy ~ Kincardineshire, Iain MacDonald ~ ?, Maggie Macrae ~ Glasgow, Tom Martin ~ Duncan McLennan, Susan McClure ~ ?, John McCourtney ~ Glasgow, Tom McDermott ~ Ayrshire, Marta McGlynn ~ ?, Geordie McIntyre ~ ?, Duncan McLennan ~ Inverness, Brian McNeill ~ ?, Drew Moyes ~ Glasgow, Mike Penny ~ ?, Jim Reid ~ Angus, Dave Richardson ~ ?, Derek Richardson ~ Perthshire, Helen Ross ~ Stirling, Alison Shepard ~ Edinburgh, Wendy Stewart ~ ?, Steve Sutcliffe ~ ?, Bob Thomas ~ ?, Dave Thomas ~ Morayshire, Simon Thoumire ~ Edinburgh, Dick Trickie ~ Aberdeenshire, Erland Voy ~ ?, Ann Ward ~ Edinburgh, Tom Ward ~ Edinburgh, Frances Wilkins ~ Aberdeen, Alan Wright ~ Kilmarnock

Scottish players not resident {2}:

Dick Glasgow ~ Co Antrim, Jean Graham ~ France

Not to be forgotten {7}:

Mike Berry, Archie Frame, Peter Hall, Joseph Kent, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie, Roy Williamson.


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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 03:06 AM

Two more names: Susannah Franks & David Haxton!

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English Concertina players in Scotland {58}:

Neil Bayfield ~ Aberdeenshire, Hamish Bayne ~ Orkney, Karen Beattie ~ West Lothian, Jack Bethel ~ Glasgow, Bob Blair ~ ?, Stewart Brown ~ Dundee, Sass Campbell ~ Morayshire, Pamela Carr ~ Edinburgh, Norman Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Robert Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Joan Clifford ~ Borders, Selby Cochrane ~ ?, Simon Cooper ~ ?, David Corner ~ ?, Oscar St Cyr ~ ?, Tom Donnelly ~ Glasgow, John Eaglesham ~ Glasgow, Stuart Eydeman ~ Edinburgh, Archie Fisher ~ Borders, Susannah Franks ~ Fife, John Gahagan ~ Glasgow, George Haig ~ Fife, Simon Harbord ~ ?, Pete Heywood ~ Ayrshire, Gordon Hotchkiss ~ ?, Astryd Jamieson ~ Shetland, Nigel Jelks ~ Angus, Brian Johnstone ~ Glasgow, Alan Jones ~ East Kilbride, John Leavy ~ Kincardineshire, Iain MacDonald ~ ?, Maggie Macrae ~ Glasgow, Tom Martin ~ Duncan McLennan, Susan McClure ~ ?, John McCourtney ~ Glasgow, Tom McDermott ~ Ayrshire, Marta McGlynn ~ ?, Geordie McIntyre ~ ?, Duncan McLennan ~ Inverness, Brian McNeill ~ ?, Drew Moyes ~ Glasgow, Mike Penny ~ ?, Jim Reid ~ Angus, Dave Richardson ~ ?, Derek Richardson ~ Perthshire, Helen Ross ~ Stirling, Alison Shepard ~ Edinburgh, Wendy Stewart ~ ?, Steve Sutcliffe ~ ?, Bob Thomas ~ ?, Dave Thomas ~ Morayshire, Simon Thoumire ~ Edinburgh, Dick Trickie ~ Aberdeenshire, Erland Voy ~ ?, Ann Ward ~ Edinburgh, Tom Ward ~ Edinburgh, Frances Wilkins ~ Aberdeen, Alan Wright ~ Kilmarnock

Scottish players not resident {2}:

Dick Glasgow ~ Co Antrim, Jean Graham ~ France

Not to be forgotten {8}:

Mike Berry, Archie Frame, Peter Hall, David Haxton, Joseph Kent, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie, Roy Williamson.

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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:19 AM

I'd just like to welcome singer songwriter Sally Thomas to the list!
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English Concertina players in Scotland {59}:

Neil Bayfield ~ Aberdeenshire, Hamish Bayne ~ Orkney, Karen Beattie ~ West Lothian, Jack Bethel ~ Glasgow, Bob Blair ~ ?, Stewart Brown ~ Dundee, Sass Campbell ~ Morayshire, Pamela Carr ~ Edinburgh, Norman Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Robert Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Joan Clifford ~ Borders, Selby Cochrane ~ ?, Simon Cooper ~ ?, David Corner ~ ?, Oscar St Cyr ~ ?, Tom Donnelly ~ Glasgow, John Eaglesham ~ Glasgow, Stuart Eydeman ~ Edinburgh, Archie Fisher ~ Borders, Susannah Franks ~ Fife, John Gahagan ~ Glasgow, George Haig ~ Fife, Simon Harbord ~ ?, Pete Heywood ~ Ayrshire, Gordon Hotchkiss ~ ?, Astryd Jamieson ~ Shetland, Nigel Jelks ~ Angus, Brian Johnstone ~ Glasgow, Alan Jones ~ East Kilbride, John Leavy ~ Kincardineshire, Iain MacDonald ~ ?, Maggie Macrae ~ Glasgow, Tom Martin ~ Duncan McLennan, Susan McClure ~ ?, John McCourtney ~ Glasgow, Tom McDermott ~ Ayrshire, Marta McGlynn ~ ?, Geordie McIntyre ~ ?, Duncan McLennan ~ Inverness, Brian McNeill ~ ?, Drew Moyes ~ Glasgow, Mike Penny ~ ?, Jim Reid ~ Angus, Dave Richardson ~ ?, Derek Richardson ~ Perthshire, Helen Ross ~ Stirling, Alison Shepard ~ Edinburgh, Wendy Stewart ~ ?, Steve Sutcliffe ~ ?, Bob Thomas ~ ?, Dave Thomas ~ Morayshire, Sally Thomas ~ East Lothian, Simon Thoumire ~ Edinburgh, Dick Trickie ~ Aberdeenshire, Erland Voy ~ ?, Ann Ward ~ Edinburgh, Tom Ward ~ Edinburgh, Frances Wilkins ~ Aberdeen, Alan Wright ~ Kilmarnock

Scottish players not resident {2}:

Dick Glasgow ~ Co Antrim, Jean Graham ~ France

Not to be forgotten {8}:

Mike Berry, Archie Frame, Peter Hall, David Haxton, Joseph Kent, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie, Roy Williamson.

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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 28 Jan 09 - 05:26 PM

Elspeth Brown makes it 60!

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English Concertina players in Scotland {60}:

Neil Bayfield ~ Aberdeenshire, Hamish Bayne ~ Orkney, Karen Beattie ~ West Lothian, Jack Bethel ~ Glasgow, Bob Blair ~ ?, Elspeth Brown ~ ?, Stewart Brown ~ Dundee, Sass Campbell ~ Morayshire, Pamela Carr ~ Edinburgh, Norman Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Robert Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Joan Clifford ~ Borders, Selby Cochrane ~ ?, Simon Cooper ~ ?, David Corner ~ ?, Oscar St Cyr ~ ?, Tom Donnelly ~ Glasgow, John Eaglesham ~ Glasgow, Stuart Eydeman ~ Edinburgh, Archie Fisher ~ Borders, Susannah Franks ~ Fife, John Gahagan ~ Glasgow, George Haig ~ Fife, Simon Harbord ~ ?, Pete Heywood ~ Ayrshire, Gordon Hotchkiss ~ ?, Astryd Jamieson ~ Shetland, Nigel Jelks ~ Angus, Brian Johnstone ~ Glasgow, Alan Jones ~ East Kilbride, John Leavy ~ Kincardineshire, Iain MacDonald ~ ?, Maggie Macrae ~ Glasgow, Tom Martin ~ Duncan McLennan, Susan McClure ~ ?, John McCourtney ~ Glasgow, Tom McDermott ~ Ayrshire, Marta McGlynn ~ ?, Geordie McIntyre ~ ?, Duncan McLennan ~ Inverness, Brian McNeill ~ ?, Drew Moyes ~ Glasgow, Mike Penny ~ ?, Jim Reid ~ Angus, Dave Richardson ~ ?, Derek Richardson ~ Perthshire, Helen Ross ~ Stirling, Alison Shepard ~ Edinburgh, Wendy Stewart ~ ?, Steve Sutcliffe ~ ?, Bob Thomas ~ ?, Dave Thomas ~ Morayshire, Sally Thomas ~ East Lothian, Simon Thoumire ~ Edinburgh, Dick Trickie ~ Aberdeenshire, Erland Voy ~ ?, Ann Ward ~ Edinburgh, Tom Ward ~ Edinburgh, Frances Wilkins ~ Aberdeen, Alan Wright ~ Kilmarnock

Scottish players not resident {2}:

Dick Glasgow ~ Co Antrim, Jean Graham ~ France

Not to be forgotten {8}:

Mike Berry, Archie Frame, Peter Hall, David Haxton, Joseph Kent, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie, Roy Williamson.

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Concertinas in Scotland ~ Forum

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Subject: RE: Players of English Concertina? [Ireland Scotla
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 01:16 PM

Katy Kiernan of West Lothian makes it 61 now!
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English Concertina players in Scotland {61}:

Neil Bayfield ~ Aberdeenshire, Hamish Bayne ~ Orkney, Karen Beattie ~ West Lothian, Jack Bethel ~ Glasgow, Bob Blair ~ ?, Elspeth Brown ~ ?, Stewart Brown ~ Dundee, Sass Campbell ~ Morayshire, Pamela Carr ~ Edinburgh, Norman Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Robert Chalmers ~ Edinburgh, Joan Clifford ~ Borders, Selby Cochrane ~ ?, Simon Cooper ~ ?, David Corner ~ ?, Oscar St Cyr ~ ?, Tom Donnelly ~ Glasgow, John Eaglesham ~ Glasgow, Stuart Eydeman ~ Edinburgh, Archie Fisher ~ Borders, Susannah Franks ~ Fife, John Gahagan ~ Glasgow, George Haig ~ Fife, Simon Harbord ~ ?, Pete Heywood ~ Ayrshire, Gordon Hotchkiss ~ ?, Astryd Jamieson ~ Shetland, Nigel Jelks ~ Angus, Brian Johnstone ~ Glasgow, Alan Jones ~ East Kilbride, Katy Kiernan ~ West Lothian, John Leavy ~ Kincardineshire, Iain MacDonald ~ ?, Maggie Macrae ~ Glasgow, Tom Martin ~ Duncan McLennan, Susan McClure ~ ?, John McCourtney ~ Glasgow, Tom McDermott ~ Ayrshire, Marta McGlynn ~ ?, Geordie McIntyre ~ ?, Duncan McLennan ~ Inverness, Brian McNeill ~ ?, Drew Moyes ~ Glasgow, Mike Penny ~ ?, Jim Reid ~ Angus, Dave Richardson ~ ?, Derek Richardson ~ Perthshire, Helen Ross ~ Stirling, Alison Shepard ~ Edinburgh, Wendy Stewart ~ ?, Steve Sutcliffe ~ ?, Bob Thomas ~ ?, Dave Thomas ~ Morayshire, Sally Thomas ~ East Lothian, Simon Thoumire ~ Edinburgh, Dick Trickie ~ Aberdeenshire, Erland Voy ~ ?, Ann Ward ~ Edinburgh, Tom Ward ~ Edinburgh, Frances Wilkins ~ Aberdeen, Alan Wright ~ Kilmarnock

Scottish players not resident {2}:

Dick Glasgow ~ Co Antrim, Jean Graham ~ France

Not to be forgotten {8}:

Mike Berry, Archie Frame, Peter Hall, David Haxton, Joseph Kent, Iain MacKintosh, Mike Petrie, Roy Williamson.

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