BS: Those dreaded carbs

Subject: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:50 PM

Ok, all you folks who know more than I do about diets. We diabetics have to watch the carbs, but no one tells me how much carbs is too much? Any opinions

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:55 PM

Twin Weber DCOE 40s is too much on a Go Kart.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:15 PM

Depends on your portion control and the amount you have each day.

My 'Diabetic's cook book' suggests no more than two small portions a day, so a small to medium baked potato at lunch and pasta with dinner (as opposed to pasta FOR dinner) should be about right.

It varies greatly from person to person though, it may take a while before you discover what is right for you.

Good luck with it.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Becca72
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:17 PM

That's what the dietician is for..

Mine suggests 3 meals a day of 45-60 grams of carbs and 2 snacks of about 15g. To figure out the amount of carbs from a label you take the total carb number and subtract the dietary fiber number. For example, my popcorn has a Total Carb amount of 23g with 9g of dietary fiber so the total carbs for a serving of this popcorn is 14g which is right on target for a snack for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:29 PM

Anything bigger than your head.

Seriously, a dietitian should give you some counsel. Some dietitian are very much worth seeing, too (they might be lousy dietitians but they are well worth seeing).

Think in terms of a sandwich made with regular sized slices of bread.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 05:44 PM

Precisely, Mr MacKenzie. But 6 Amals on a 2.6 Zephyr engine in a Sabre 6 is about right.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 06:01 PM

How many carbs do they recommend of a business letter?

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 06:06 PM

One for each party concerned and one for the file.

Don't get them in the wrong way or you'll have to type them out again.

Doing blueprint info sheets was fun, especially if you got the blue carbon where the yellow should be and vice versa.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 07:22 PM

It is all relative to your exercise/activity level. You need carbs to live. Every meal and snack should include a fruit, a carb, and a protein. The rest is variation.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 08:00 PM

Kendall- That's what you stick your finger to find out. Much more reliable than anyone's rules of (ouch) thumb.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: MAG
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 08:43 PM

Sugars are all carbs.

What Dick said: test everything you eat before and after to find out.

I can have maybe 1/2 a small potato at a time or I go up over 300.

You learn to cut out anything not nutrient-dense real fast.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 08:44 PM

Thanks to those who had a logical answer.

My old bread had 24 grams of carbs. I just bought a loaf of "Low carb" bread, and it has 8 grams per slice.If I deduct the fiber, it is 6 GPS.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:44 PM

Kendall, listen to Becca72, she's pretty much right on the money
The fiber count doesn't work unless it's over 5g's & then you can only deduct half(instead of where Becca says 14 carbs she should have 18 1/2), under that is now not counted as useful so you can't subtract the half of it unless it's over 5g's of fiber. The snack is now 17g's though 20 I was told isn't bad. Those fruit filled "nutri-grain" bars are perfect snacks.

"If the light bread has more than 5 g's of fiber you can deduct half"
so Beccca's example of popcorn above means of the 9grams of fiber you can only subtract 4 1/2grms from the carbs.

If you use an oil in your salad, it'll cause the carbs from starch or meat to break down over the course of 3 hrs instead of over the course of 15 minutes to a half hr if you had no oil intake. That's part of the reason for a "blanced" meal.

"I can have maybe 1/2 a small potato at a time or I go up over 300."

That's why you don't eat the small potato alone, a starch turns to sugar right away but not if you balance it. Balance it right & it takes up to 3 hrs to turn, that way it spreads the break up over a much longer period of time which stops you from spiking.

Kendall, make an appointment for Diabetic training classes, it's about 2-3 hrs a day over 4 days then see a dietician, it's covered by all health care policies. It is alot at 1st but it does start to make sense.
It took me a round of classes a couple junts to a nuti & dietician & I still have to get more educated but it is getting a little more understandable as I go along. I'm only 6 months in front of you.

Forget everything & anything anyone says about calories, you don't even think calories you go beyond that. 3 regulars a day & 2 snakes (haha)inbetween. Count carbs & keep the meals balanced.

Watch you salt intake too, stick to low sodium when possible but that's not near as important as the other stuff. It is if you feet or legs start to swell.

The other thing of equal importance to diet is exercise, diet alone won't work! Some health policies cover the costs of gyms.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:49 PM

It is all relative to your exercise/activity level.

It is all relative to your exercise/activity level.

It is all relative to your exercise/activity level.

It is all relative to your exercise/activity level.

It is all relative to your exercise/activity level.

~S~
PS, It is all relative to your exercise/activity level.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:51 PM

Kendall, you can get lots of exercise rowing around your lobster traps. The lobsters you catch you can send to your friends on MC. So get the boat and the old traps out and have at 'er!

By the way, a quick rule of thumb for meat and fish is a serving size about the size of the palm of your hand. Either hand will work, but the thickness of the cut isn't specified.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 10:52 PM

Deck of cards, Rap.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 11:01 PM

Depends on your dietitian, I guess. What mine actually said was, "Between a deck of cards and the palm of your hand."

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: maire-aine
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 12:10 AM

My doctor sent me to a diabetes education class at a local hospital, and part of the course (4 lectures) was a meeting with a dietician. That was in May, 2007. The diet she gave me was this:

45 carbs for breakfast
60 carbs for lunch
45 carbs for supper
30 carbs for an evening stack before bed

for a total of 180 carbs per day. At the time I was 5ft-4in, and 245 pounds. By sticking to that diet, I lost 50 pounds over the last 18 months, and all my blood tests have come back normal since then. My good cholesterol was up, my bad cholesterol was down, and my blood sugar was back to normal.

I must admit that I've been going over that lately, which means I've stopped losing weight for the time being. But I'm getting back to it again (even during the holidays), and I think I can knock off some more weight by the end of the year.

With the nutrition labeling info, it's not too hard to follow the numbers. Write down everything you eat religiously. I happen to love oatmeal, so I have that nearly 5 days out of 7, with a little brown sugar and a little sugar-free maple syrup & a little REAL butter.

If you have something that's not labelled, I recommend a website called Calorie King for information.

Good luck,
Maryanne

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Gurney
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 12:31 AM

Richard Bridge, would you like to put a video of you balancing your Amals on YouTube? I'd like to learn some new swearwords.
SUs Rule OK!

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: LilyFestre
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 06:53 AM

It's actually best to stay away from all carbs containing white flour...best to go for whole grains by all means necessary! Makes a big difference with blood sugar levels and how smooth or bumpy your blood sugar adventures will be.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 07:14 AM

I have an appointment on December 17th, but I'm just trying to get ahead of this thing before then.

My other problem is Triglycerides. They have been as high as 1800, and they are now just over 300.

Of course Becca knows of what she speaks.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Becca72
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 11:32 AM

My mileage may vary because I am not yet diabetic. I was 'pre diabetic' last year and my numbers have improved since then. But you will get different answers from everyone so go with what the professional tells you.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: GUEST,MAG at work
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 11:54 AM

Barry, I always have butter or sheese with my potato. It's the potato; if I eat them I pay.

Kendall, YMMV will become your mantra. (Your milegae May Vary.)

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 01:55 PM

My wife has been down with the Collywobbles.
I've waited on her hand and foot for the last 50 years;
I wish she's get well, or something."

Marshall Dodge, Bert & I

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 08:18 PM

What do you geniuses know about Stevia?

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 08:32 PM

Here's a Wikipedia article. Seems like it's good for use as a sweetener if you have diabetes, but you shouldn't use too much. It's been available in health food stores for a while. It's relatively expensive, but you only need a teeny bit.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: dwditty
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 09:10 PM

I hate counting calories, carbs, grams of fat, etc....well, I don't hate it, I just don't do it. Instead, a few years ago, I made a concious effort to avoid white rice, white flour, sugar, and potatoes - amazing how much food that takes in. In doing so, I a) lost almost 40 pounds, lowered my cholesterol and tryglicerides, too, and b) started feeling great. Oh, I joined a gym, too - and actually go. With these guidelines, I eat as much as I want of everything else.

dw

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 08:30 AM

I've cut out all white flour products, made severe cuts in carbs and I've lost 6 pounds in about two weeks. I sleep better and I have more energy.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 09:35 AM

They used to have somethin' called Kuperix fir the sumabiches... It was like kerosene and it burned a little but it killed 'um... I recently heard or read that you can vacumme 'um off ya' but I ain't had none simce a long time ago...

Itchy little bastards, ain't they???

Good luck, Capt'n...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Dec 08 - 05:00 PM

(it's carbs, Boberdz, not crabs, you idiot...)

Well, why didn't ya say so... I'm partial to Holleys 'cause I have a lot or experience with 'um but when it come down to it they all are purdy much the same... Float bowl, air and fuel jets and a pump... Big deal...

(No, Boberdz... Carbohydrates...)

Lots of 'um in pizza... That's why folks who run matathons eat lots of pizza... Reckon they can'tr be too bad fir ya, I donno...

Fat is differenter stuff... No good for running marathons but I know that pizza has alot of fat in the cheeze... And I know not to eat no cheeze before I sing so cheeze prolly ain't too good fir ya which sucks because pizza without cheeze ai't pizza...

All I know is that if ya' eat alot of green stuff you can eat a moderate amount of most of the other stuff... But moderate means just that... I do know that... Maybe that's why I weight purdy much what I did 35 years ago... May have gained 5 pounds but lots of greens... I kinda think of greens as my ticket to have an occasional couple slices of pizza (with the cheeze)... I also believe that countin' grams of this or that ain't what dieting is all about... Everyone has a diet... It's about green first, yellow second...

Thing color and just change yer diet toward green and all will be fine... My mom was big on nutrition ans that's the way she brought me up... Green...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 01:48 PM

I had a bowl of Oatmeal this am at 6 and I've been sleepy all day.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Tig
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 02:22 PM

A site worth having a look at is www.bdec-e-learning.com. This is from Bournmouth UK where they are now using Carb Counting as a norm in diabetic control (as are several other hospitals in the UK)

It gives you a chance to learn about such things without anyone leaning over your shoulder and includes helpful pictures of carb portions.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 05:00 PM

You didn't say if you went to bed last night, Capt'n... Oatmeal ain't got nuthin' bad in it by itself... If ya put whole milk on it it might make ya' sleepy... If ya' put raisins in it, or brown sugar it might make you sleepy but oatmeal itself is nuthin' but sticky fibre food...

I think ya got bad case of Taylor Syndrome... You need to borrow a Martin an' play it fir a couple days and you'll be fine...

Stick with the oatmeal, too...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: GUEST,Lilyfestre
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 05:12 PM

Kendall,

   In those 2 weeks have you checked your morning glucose levels with a finger stick? Your initial reading that you posted here was not a high blood sugar by any stretch of the imagination. I bet with the cuts you have made, it is in the *normal* zone. Hope you are feeling better because of it.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 07 Dec 08 - 07:50 PM

I don't have a finger pricker yet. I'll know more when my appointment comes up.

Oatmeal is loaded with carbs.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: catspaw49
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 08:30 AM

I can't see why anyone still mucks about with cargs be they Weber or Demon. Fuel Injection has been around a long time now!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Dec 08 - 01:19 PM

Oats is good carbs, slow-burn carbs, and complex carbs. These things matter.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: jacqui.c
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 04:11 AM

I eat very few carbs - they just don't agree with me. Some people just don't really do well on them. Depends on the individual.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 08:27 AM

There are no "Depends" on this individual!

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 09 Dec 08 - 08:28 AM

Sorry Luv, part of my exercise routine is jumping to conclusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Those dreaded carbs
From: kendall
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 07:52 AM

Long time ago my doctor put me on a low fat diet, with daily doses of bran (Yuk). Now he wants me to stay away from carbs. My bran cereal is loaded with carbs. WTF.