Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: GUEST,Lhiggins
Date: 03 Jan 09 - 05:23 PM

To a wonderful uncle, brother, son and friend, Sean may your gentle soul Rest In Peace, you are in our thoughts. Love from New York

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 09:45 AM

but as I say why hasn't anyone who has posted on the site praising McKenna, have the bottle to say sorry for all the people that died because of these mudering people just hated each other and they didn't care who got murdered.

are you like McKenna a coward

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 09:46 AM

especailly these ones that come on as guests

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: GUEST,Pheonix
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 11:49 AM

you haven't apologised for any of the innocents murdered by the british army. My point is and i don't know how much more plainly i can put it, you cannot talk of victims without talking of all victims. The examples i have raised with you show that there are innocent victims in every conflict and are inflicted by all sides. It is the conflict and the causes of conflict that we need to address.

Please don't ask me not to post as we have had enough censorship in our history. I would rather have a debate than a slanging match but i'm afraid it is you who is blinkered and chose to ignore my points. Reciting someone else's versions of lyrics shows an inability to argue your own points.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 12:03 PM

well you've just proven that you ignore people requests, I'll apologised for the victims of the British army, as soon as you apologised for the victims of the terrorists. yes you are a numpty, because I asked you not to reply to my posts, reply to someone's elses but not mine because as I said you don't listen, that is why the murderers on both sides have did, but now well they say that the listen. Bu that's what I have been doing, I'm sorry for all the victims on both sides god knows it's like talking to a brick wall, and posting that crap, prooves that you just don't listen I asked you to NOT TO POST OR REPLY to my post so why bother, and then you wonder why that there was trouble in northern ireland.

so why don't become a memeber of the mudcat cafe, or are you blinkered as well, at lest with me you can write a PM to me, and yet I can't send you one as far as I'm concered being a guest is a coward.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 12:08 PM

oh just one last thing, apart from not listening or reading my request, just crawl back under the stone the came under, and just beat it because I won't be back.

so Goodbye

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 04 Jan 09 - 01:24 PM

unless you reply or post to this thread I mean what part of the phrase DO NOT POST OR REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

WHAT PART OF THE WORD NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTND?

BUT AS I SAY I WON'T BE BACK UNLESS YOU POST TO ME

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jan 09 - 02:17 AM

Was Sean a supporter of the peace process, or did he favour the resumption of the armed struggle?

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: Comrac (troll alert contact max)
Date: 05 Jan 09 - 04:25 AM

Neither. He had no interest in politics for many years.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: GUEST,Pheonix
Date: 05 Jan 09 - 05:18 PM

Well Goatfell i thought this was a discussion forum. This thread respectfully marked the passing of one man. When you originally posted your message did you not anticipate a debate ?

I'm satisfied that i have successfully challenged and exposed your attempt to present a one sided version of the struggle Sean was involved in many years ago and i consider the matter closed.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-
From: GUEST,trinity
Date: 05 Jan 09 - 05:37 PM

God forgave St. Paul...Sean was forgiven as well...can you not forgive...are you so perfect....you did not walk in his shoes...even before he was 17...

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: GUEST,arran
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 05:16 AM

yes and you still haven't siad sorry for the victims that the rerrorists murdered Pheonix, which to me to a one sied view as well, at lest Goatfell said that he was sorry afor the victims that the army killed but you Pheonix have not siad sorry about the victims that the terrorists killed, so who is wrong here, at lest Goatfell said that he was sorry why don't you.

and he also asked you not to reply to him unless you want an answer, as he siad what part of the word no don't you understand.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: GUEST,Pheonix
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 06:09 AM

The only people who terrorised me were the forces of foreign occupation. I don't want to see anyone killed and i'm sorry for all deaths. i'm sorry that the will of the Irish people was denied, that a false, artifical line was drawn across my country to create a gerrymandered state with an inbuilt majority which was passed off as democracy. I'm sorry that generations have suffered because within that gerrymandered state elections were fixed to give one section of our community supreme control over the other. I'm sorry that draconian laws were used to make it illegal to fly the Irish tricolour in our own country. What proud person would tolerate these conditions in their own land and not want to do something about it. I'm sorry for all of this and i can't wait for the day, which will arrive, when as an Irishman i don't have to explain to anyone why i'm proud to be Irish , proud of my relatives who fought for Ireland and Ireland only and proud of everyone who challenges colonialism, slavery, oppression and the denial of self determination.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 07:25 AM

that all I want to read thank you

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 07:27 AM

As I say That wasn't hard was it to say all that.

Thank you

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-
From: GUEST,Peaceful law abiding person
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 11:28 AM

Let us not forget he was in prison at the time, and whilst he had every right to stage a hunger strike, the cost of nursing him was borne by those he seeked out to destroy, by force.

He was born into a western democracy which has a past to be ashamed of, but that is no reason to try by force which cannot be sorted by the ballot.

As a believer in democracy, and accepting the majority of people living in Northern Ireland did not wish to be governed by Dublin, I find it hard to feel compassion for terrorists.

A misguided romantic fool is about the best I could ever muster.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 11:42 AM

better watch was you're saying because there are people out there who don't like what you've written.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: Megan L
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 11:48 AM

Oh for goodness sake let this stupid thread do what he did.

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-
From: GUEST,Peaceful law abiding person
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 11:56 AM

Thanks for the warning, but as I live in a democracy, I have nothing, nothing at all to fear.

I have the right to say that I have problems sympathising with terrorists, and if anybody was to disagree, that;s their right. If they don't like what I am saying, then I have no issues sleeping at night because I am not a politician so do not have to listen to their views.

This is a forum, and if people post a thread, they have to accept what comes up on it.

So a person has died. Commiseration to his family and friends. But let's not get carried away with this notion about a freedom fighter. Times move on, innocent people caught up in the troubles have been mourned and the province is looking forward not back. I visit Belfast on a regular basis and have done for many years. The change is amazing, the laughter on the streets genuine and the atmosphere in pubs and hotel bars is good creic, not sectarian rubbish as was the case years ago.

Sean McKenna saw this change, and I hope he felt it was worth fighting for. Whether the real fighting helped or delayed progress is a debate for other times...

Subject: RE: Obit: Sean McKenna. Republican Hunger Striker-1980
From: goatfell
Date: 06 Jan 09 - 01:06 PM

but to some people he was a freedom fighter, I'm not one of them.
and I agree with Megan L, this thread like him should die, and I beleive in free speech