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Larkrise at Christmas

Jack Blandiver 21 Dec 08 - 02:59 PM
Les in Chorlton 21 Dec 08 - 03:01 PM
The Villan 21 Dec 08 - 03:39 PM
Jack Blandiver 21 Dec 08 - 03:44 PM
Alan Day 21 Dec 08 - 06:08 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Dec 08 - 06:26 PM
Herga Kitty 21 Dec 08 - 06:35 PM
GUEST,Derek Schofield 21 Dec 08 - 06:55 PM
GUEST,Meggly 22 Dec 08 - 04:38 AM
Les in Chorlton 22 Dec 08 - 04:45 AM
Dave Hanson 22 Dec 08 - 04:51 AM
Ruth Archer 22 Dec 08 - 04:55 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 22 Dec 08 - 04:55 AM
Ruth Archer 22 Dec 08 - 05:03 AM
Will Fly 22 Dec 08 - 05:07 AM
Paul Burke 22 Dec 08 - 05:30 AM
Ruth Archer 22 Dec 08 - 05:37 AM
GUEST, topsie 22 Dec 08 - 05:46 AM
GUEST,LDT 22 Dec 08 - 05:49 AM
Jack Blandiver 22 Dec 08 - 05:52 AM
bubblyrat 22 Dec 08 - 06:19 AM
greg stephens 22 Dec 08 - 06:48 AM
GUEST,LDT 22 Dec 08 - 06:54 AM
davyr 22 Dec 08 - 09:36 AM
LesB 22 Dec 08 - 12:52 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Dec 08 - 01:31 PM
Sleepy Rosie 22 Dec 08 - 02:29 PM
Jack Blandiver 22 Dec 08 - 03:23 PM
Ruth Archer 22 Dec 08 - 03:41 PM
The Vulgar Boatman 22 Dec 08 - 05:43 PM
Gervase 22 Dec 08 - 05:49 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 22 Dec 08 - 06:07 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 22 Dec 08 - 06:12 PM
GUEST, topsie 22 Dec 08 - 07:08 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 22 Dec 08 - 07:16 PM
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Subject: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 02:59 PM

Give a man a banjo, and you'll soon find out what sort of man he is!

Amen to that! All this and the prospect of Dawn French spanking Julia Sawalha too...


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 03:01 PM

I nominate this as the most original post on Mudcat

L in C


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: The Villan
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 03:39 PM

its already sorted. The whole series is programmed on Sky+ Now we can all watch it when we want to.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 03:44 PM

Well, I only hope that all that white stuff they'd sprayed over the verdant summer woodland foliage is in no way harmful. No spanking yet though, although with Janet from Two Pints spooking everyone out maybe we won't have long to wait. One way of warming those lovely rosy rustic buttocks of a cold Christmas morning...


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Alan Day
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 06:08 PM

A constant in tune Banjo,now thats a great Xmas present.
Al


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 06:26 PM

I started watching it. Then Dawn French hove in sight...


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 06:35 PM

I don't think Flora Thompson had any hand in writing this Christmas special, but the banjo and melodeon were reasonably OK.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 21 Dec 08 - 06:55 PM

yes, but ... Silent Night??? a very unlikely carol for the villagers to sing. Even worse, O Little Town of Bethlehem, which first saw the light of day in 1906 when Vaughan Williams set the words to the traditional song The Ploughboy's Dream and put it in The English Hymnal. Lark Rise is based at the end of the 19th century.
But, hey, it's only fiction!
Derek Schofield


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST,Meggly
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:38 AM

But did anyone notice that the banjo was perfectly in tune when he dug it out from its corner (in which it had been forgotten for many a year). I thought banjos were always out of tune, even when you'd just tuned them.

Ho ho ho.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:45 AM

Could I dare join in with Derek that LR is fiction as are Dickens and Hardy and should be treated as such

Bah humbug

L in C


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:51 AM

An ' in tune banjo ' surely an oxymoron if ever there was one.

eric


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:55 AM

"Janet from Two Pints spooking everyone out"

How bizarre was that?!

"Even worse, O Little Town of Bethlehem, which first saw the light of day in 1906 when Vaughan Williams set the words to the traditional song The Ploughboy's Dream and put it in The English Hymnal. Lark Rise is based at the end of the 19th century."

Oh Mr Schofield...this is why I love you. :D


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:55 AM

Hang on, isn't Larkrise about village life? Isn't it about jovial memories of times gone by, you know, all the 'nostalgia crap' that's talked about in the English culture thread? Don't they know that village life is denied in the New England?

And heck, they're singing the WRONG carols???

Off with their heads!

Send the producers of it to The Tower, along with all the actors in it....

Oh, can't do that, they've destroyed The Tower as it's no longer a wanted part of English history...

Well, we'll just have to put them all in the stocks on the village green....

Uh Oh....village greens...yikes!

lol


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:03 AM

*yawn*


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:07 AM

I've just taken my tenor banjo from its case - where it's been reposing for several weeks - and it's beautifully in tune. Might sound a bit crap when I play it, but that's another story.

Will
guitarist and TENOR BANJO PLAYER - sob... will they never leave it alone... is my whole life to be made a mockery... weeps...)


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:30 AM

The burial in the woods is rather unlikely- irregular burial of suicides (after an inquest) was used up to 1823, but except when the body was claimed by friends or relations, it was normally buried on public land- usually by the highway, with a crossroads being the traditional spot- some suicides' names have survived as placenames, like Tucker's Grave near Radstock. A woodland was private (see Botany Bay), and it's highly unlikely that the owner would have allowed an unknown person to be buried there. The grave marker was also wrong. A wooden one would not have lasted 80 years on the ground (woodlands are packed with lignin- loving fungi), if commemorated at all, a nearby existing stone feature would more normally be used- for example, a stone waymarker at a crossroads.

And, of course, ghosts don't behave like that.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:37 AM

"And, of course, ghosts don't behave like that. "

LOL!!!


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:46 AM

I spent most of the programme wondering what had become of the cape she was given. She put it on, and a few minutes later there she was without it.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:49 AM

I spent most of the programme wondering what had become of the cape she was given. She put it on, and a few minutes later there she was without it.
Yeah couldn't she have given it back to 'Pearl' (?)


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:52 AM

ghosts don't behave like that

Yikes! That reminds me that I must listen to Christopher Eccleston reading The Signalman which I missed last night... Thank Santa for BBCi!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b008ndxr/The_Devils_Christmas_The_Signalman/

Good to see the old (and new) Ghost Story for Christmas films on BBC4 this year too, albeit a bit late - but maybe they'll be on BBCi too? And I see BBC2 are even showing the classic 1976 film of The Signalman at 10.10 on Boxing Day morning!


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: bubblyrat
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 06:19 AM

I watched it somewhat bemusedly last night ----I was especially bemused by Dawn French (not the best bit of casting for that character ; I would have preferred Pam Ferris !) Anyway, it didn't seem to me to be much like the book, which as I recall was more about outside lavatories,pig-rearing,manure,poverty,hunger ,and lots of impecunious rustics generally having a tough and un-jolly time of it. And why would a ghost need a warm jacket ??


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 06:48 AM

This is not about the book, which gave a very interesting glimpse of life then in that place. This is about the Media Olde Days, and gives a not very interesting picture of the contents of the current Media Mind.
Luckily, the books remain. Though not alas in the libraries, where you will however be able to borrow the DVD.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 06:54 AM

I saw the series and so bought the book to read....and I will get round to reading it eventually. lol!


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: davyr
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 09:36 AM

"Luckily, the books remain. Though not alas in the libraries, where you will however be able to borrow the DVD."

Libraries can still order you up a copy of the book, due to the wonders of inter-library-lending. Mind you, there are such a lot of cheap hardback copies on offer at Abebooks, why not treat yourself?

http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?bi=h&bx=off&ds=30&sortby=3&sts=t&tn=lark+rise+to+candleford&x=30&y=10

I agree with McGrath of Harlow that Dawn French in *anything* makes it a must to avoid.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: LesB
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 12:52 PM

I havn't seen any LR progs yet (they were on a Sunday, same night as the folk club), I've recorded the xmas one to watch, but I am looking forward to seeing Ashley Hutching's Lark Rise Band when they come to the Southport Art Centre on 18th April 09. Saw them when I was dancing at Moulton Village Fest, along with Whapweasle.
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 01:31 PM

Seems to bear the same relationship to the books as the TV little House on the Prairie did to Laura Ingalls Wilder's books. A wrecking job of something rather special.

A real pity, because it could so easily have been really good.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 02:29 PM

Do we only get promised spankings at Christmas....?

And anyway weren't all women in the olden days kinky lesbians? That BBC is a right liberating education, so it is!


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 03:23 PM

Larkrise Meets Fanny Hill - yes, I think that might work...


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 03:41 PM

I believe The Lark Rise Band are going to be featured in the series next year...


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:43 PM

And if you really want to be picky, check when that Windsor Whirle banjo was made...
Bah humbug


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Gervase
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:49 PM

...not to mention all that 'snow' on green leaves...


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 06:07 PM

The Lark Rise Band


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 06:12 PM

If anyone missed it, it's on the BBC iPlayer for the next 90 days

Christmas episode


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 07:08 PM

The television version is fiction but the book is a kind of third-person autobiography, with 'Flora' changed slightly, to 'Laura'.
I've been looking through the book and I haven't found a mention of Christmas yet, but I did find Cinderella Doe. She was alive in the 1890s, not a ghost.

From Lark Rise to Candleford (Penguin Modern Classics)

p. 473 (on gypsies)
"Now she met them on a business footing, and they never begged from her and very seldom tried to sell her a comb or a length of lace from their baskets, but one day an old woman for whom she had written a letter offered to tell her fortune. She was perhaps the most striking-looking person Laura ever saw in her life: tall for a gipsy, with flashing black eyes and black hair without a fleck of grey in it, although her cheeks were deeply wrinkled and leathery. Someone had given her a man's brightly coloured paisley-patterned dressing gown, which she wore as an outdoor garment with a soft billy-cock hat. Her name was Cinderella Doe and her letters came so addressed without a prefix.
        The fortune was pleasing. ... 'You're going to be loved,' she said; 'loved by people you've never seen and never will see.' A graceful way of thanking one for writing a letter."

pp. 489-90 (on ghosts)
"Ghost stories and stories of haunted houses were still repeated. A few of the more simple people may have believed they were literally true. Others enjoyed them for the sake of the thrill, as we now enjoy reading mystery stories. The more educated scoffed at them as old women's tales. It was an age of materialism, and those in any measure in touch with current ideas believed in nothing they could not feel, or see, or smell.
        Laura's mother was the only person she knew at that time who had an open mind on the subject of the supernatural, and she leaned rather to the side of unbelief."


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 07:16 PM

Chrismas Day passed......

Christmas Day Passed Very Quietly


"..Christmas Day passed very quietly. The men had a holiday from work and the children from school and the churchgoers attended special Christmas services. Mothers who had young children would buy them an orange each and a handful of nuts; but, except at the end house and the inn, there was no hanging up of stockings, and those who had no kind elder sister or aunt in service to send them parcels got no Christmas presents.Still, they did manage to make a little festival of it. Every year the farmer killed an ox for the purpose and gave each of his men a joint of beef, which duly appeared on the Christmas dinner-table together with plum pudding - not Christmas pudding, but suet duff with a good sprinkling of raisins. Ivy and other evergreens (it was not holly country) were hung from the ceiling and over the pictures; a bottle of homemade wine was uncorked, a good fire was made up, and, with doors and windows closed against the keen, wintry weather, they all settled down by their own firesides for a kind of super-Sunday. There was little visiting of neighbours and there were no family reunions, for the girls in service could not be spared at that season, and the few boys who had gone out in the world were mostly serving abroad in the Army.

There were still bands of mummers in some of the larger villages, and village choirs went carol-singing about the countryside; but none of these came to the hamlet, for they knew the collection to be expected there would not make it worth their while. A few families, sitting by their own firesides, would sing carols and songs; that, and more and better food and a better fire that usual, made up their Christmas cheer..."

- From, Lark Rise To Candleford by Flora Thompson


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 09:09 PM

No wonder I missed that in the book - it's in a chapter called 'Harvest Home'.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Gervase
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 02:23 AM

'You're going to be loved,' she said; 'loved by people you've never seen and never will see.'
That always struck me as one of the most prescient and moving lines in the book.


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 04:20 AM

"Larkrise Meets Fanny Hill"

Good old aunty Beeb!

Tom Browns Schooldays meets Whippingham Papers
Mansfeild Park meets First Training
Lady Chatterly's Lover meets.. Well that one's alright - it's got rude bits *already written in*.

Shouldn't we really be over on the, "What Is 'English Culture'?" thread...


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Subject: RE: Larkrise at Christmas
From: GUEST,Pash
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 04:52 AM

I watched the series earlier this year and moderately enjoyed it (mainly for Olivia Hallinan!!) having known nothing about it previously. I then saw the Larks Rise band at Broadstairs and loved them. Bought and read the book - loved that as well.
But I missed this Xmas one - but now I know that two pints Janet was in it, I'll look out for it next time round ;-)
Pa


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