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Review: Blackleg Miner revisited

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DADDY WHAT DID YOU DO IN THE STRIKE
THE BLACKLEG MINERS


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Richard Bridge 22 Dec 08 - 05:25 AM
Newport Boy 22 Dec 08 - 05:39 AM
Les in Chorlton 22 Dec 08 - 05:43 AM
Newport Boy 22 Dec 08 - 05:50 AM
Richard Bridge 22 Dec 08 - 05:53 AM
Les in Chorlton 22 Dec 08 - 06:14 AM
meself 22 Dec 08 - 12:35 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Dec 08 - 01:24 PM
Leadfingers 22 Dec 08 - 01:39 PM
Les in Chorlton 22 Dec 08 - 02:11 PM
Musket 22 Dec 08 - 04:28 PM
GUEST, Richard Bridge on another part of the netwo 22 Dec 08 - 04:56 PM
Les in Chorlton 22 Dec 08 - 05:39 PM
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Subject: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:25 AM

The remarks about "blackleg librarians" got me thinking a bit.

The expression doesn't scan easily, to start with.

Then I was drawn by the vituperation WMD (sorry, WLD) heaps upon the middle classes in general and those at teacher training college in particular - now joined by Romany Man - (although I don't know where they get the idea that teachers are in the higher echelons of society) - and then it sort of happened.

See what you think:



The Trainee Teacher



Tis in the morning, still quite dark,
When the blackleg teacher gets the bus
Threadbare elbows, threadbare cuffs
There goes the trainee teacher.

He grabs his chalk and in he goes
To quell the children's rioting rows
There's no woman, nor town whore
Will look at the trainee teacher.

So don't go near the Swanscombe schools
The children don't obey the rules
They terrorise and then abuse
The quaking trainee teacher

Swanscombe is a terrible place
Where evolution ne'er took place
Pale chimps from tattoo parlours race
To mock the trainee teacher.

They grab his lesson plans to throw
Them in the Swanscombe pit below
A whole year's work – but down it goes
Poor quaking trainee teacher

So be a banker while ye may
The bailouts support their pay
Learn to steal: child's play
You stupid trainee teacher.


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Newport Boy
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:39 AM

I like it, Richard.

I'm not sure about the word 'blackleg' in the first verse. It doesn't seem to fit with the rest, which shows the trainee as quaking and stupid, but not a traitor.

Phil


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:43 AM

And so to the Blackleg Lawyer?

He, he

L in C

It's just about lunchtime in the sun
When the Blackleg Lawyer gets to work
With his curly wig and the strangest shirt
There goes the Blackleg Lawyer


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Newport Boy
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:50 AM

That's much more like it, Les.

[I think you set yourself up for that one, Richard.]

Phil


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:53 AM

oh yes, that did not get updated when the concept evolved - it should be "trainee". Thanks Newport Boy

Les - there are conceptual problems. First I don't see how a lawyer can be a blackleg - neither the Law Society nor the Bar Council have ever called a strike.

Second, when I was a central London solicitor I rose at 5 every day!


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 06:14 AM

The term is Newly Qualified Teacher (NQT)for what it's worth fair number of which rise at all sorts of antisocial hours and work late also.

Fair enough Richard. I guess many of us feel the Miner as Blackleg is much less likely than lots of other jobs and professions. I will ponder this one awhile.

However, what did the Miners of Yorkshire feel about their comrades in Notts around 1985?

Cheers

L in C


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: meself
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 12:35 PM

This reminds of something I read perhaps in Musical Traditions - or perhaps here - about striking Pennsylvania coal-miners being involved in a union-sponsored project to collect songs from teachers ...


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 01:24 PM

"...neither the Law Society nor the Bar Council have ever called a strike."

Or come out in solidarity either, I dare say. Blackleg unions both of them...


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 01:39 PM

Les - At least the Notts miners had a ballot and voted against a strike ! Loony Scargill didnt give most N U M members a chance to have their say !


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 02:11 PM

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Scargill did anyone any good. I was just exploring the idea of who was most likely to be Blackleg.

L in C


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Musket
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:28 PM

This forum has many threads where people have pointed out words and names that are offensive. Mainly about ethnicity.

I was a miner. In a Yorkshire area pit that happened to be physically in Nottinghamshire. We voted not to strike. The Yorkshire area delegates conference then said that Yorkshire pits had voted unanimously to strike.

So, you see. The questions posed in some of the posts here are irrelevant. There were no blackleg miners as there was no strike. A couple of the lads at our pit had the union funds sequestrated, hence we didn't recognise the strike. Not even when lads from Rotherham came knocking on my door telling me I had a baby and a wife who walked to the shops without me at 10am...

In the meantime, I went to folk clubs, where social workers and lecturers were getting up and singing The blackleg miner. I have no hesitation these days using terms such as sandal wearing tree huggers, weird beards and looney society failures. (After telling Roy Bailey my view of his so called workers champion self styled role, I never visited a folk club again for years.)

If folk music is intertwined with workers struggle issues, then there are more object lessons in 1984 than any other UK domestic issue since.

So... just be careful. Blackleg is a very nasty word, and is derogatory to many genuine people. I was called one, despite being "on strike" for 9 months before leaving altogether to till my own field.


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: GUEST, Richard Bridge on another part of the netwo
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 04:56 PM

It's the title of a song of some antiquity even if there is some argument about its exact origin. So we use the word when referring to the song?

Should I re-write Inuit Nell next? (sarcasm)


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Subject: RE: Review: Blackleg Miner revisited
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 05:39 PM

I feel that Ian's post makes, much more effectively than I can, the point about the appropriateness or otherwise of singing The Blackleg Miner when lots of other people have been or are more likely to be "Blacklegs".

L in C


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