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Lyr Req: Going Back to Weldon (Menhaden Chanteymen

VirginiaTam 22 Dec 08 - 06:21 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 06:21 AM

I am trying to find the lyrics to Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty. Originally sung by the Menhaden Chantymen, I believe there is an arrangement done by Orphan's Monkey.

Searched all over the google and the digitrad with no joy.

Anybody?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 07:10 AM

I've got Going Back To Weldon on the Menhaden Chanteymen's Won't You Help Me To Raise 'Em. Would that be the one you're after, or is this something different?

If it's the one you want, I'll try to put it up later today.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 12:09 PM

Hi Mick

Sounds like the one. I would really appreciate that.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: Snuffy
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 12:41 PM

If you mean the group from Humberside, you'll have more luck with Monkey's Orphan, not the other way round.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 12:44 PM

oops... well it was a long weekend and some fantastic real ale. Monkey's Orphan noted. Thanks


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Subject: Lyr Add: GOING BACK TO WELDON
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 03:32 PM

Here it is then - it is the song you want.

The notes say: ... both songs use a chorus which relies on tripling. This tripling is also found in "Going Back To Weldon", a song whose possible railroad origins are revealed in its alternating chorus about returning to work in the Weldon, North Carolina, railway yards. The song also reveals some of the toughness of the black maritime workers with its reference to the Captain's Luger and the Mate's "owl's head", a small double-barreled pistol so-called for the way it looks to someone on the receiving end"

There's one word I can't make out, that I've noted as birdie, but it could be body or Bernie, or something else; I'm open to suggestions on that.

I've left out the various interjections they make at the end of lines (if you know the style of the Menhaden Chanteymen, you'll know what I mean - things like: Let's get 'em up there now, come on let's get 'em
now, and so on).

Mick




GOING BACK TO WELDON

I'm going back to Weldon, Weldon, Weldon
I'm going back to Weldon
To get a job in the Weldon Yard.

Oh, I'm going back to Weldon, Weldon, Weldon
Oh, I'm going back to Weldon
To get a job in the Weldon Yard.

Oh, Captain, if you fire me, fire me, fire me
Oh, Captain, if you fire me
You got to fire my birdie? too.

Oh, I'm going back to Weldon, Weldon, Weldon
Oh, I'm going back to Weldon
To get a job in the Weldon Yard.

Oh, de Captain's got a Luger, Luger, Luger,
Oh, de Captain's got a Luger
And the mates got a owl head*

Oh, I'm going back to Weldon, Weldon, Weldon
I'm moving back to Weldon
To get a job in the Weldon Yard

I don't want no woman, woman, woman
I don't want no woman
That's got hair like a horses mane

Oh, I don't want no woman, woman, woman
I don't want no woman
That's got hair like a horses mane

Oh, I'm going back to Weldon, Weldon, Weldon
Oh, I'm going back to Weldon
To get a job in the Weldon Yard.

Oh, de house is on fire, fire, fire
De house is on fire
And it's almost burning down

Oh, de house is on fire, fire, fire
It's true, de house is on fire
And it's almost burning down

Oh, I'm going back to Weldon, Weldon, Weldon
I'm going back to Weldon
To get a job in the Weldon Yard.


* see notes

Source: Menhaden Chanteymen: Won't You Help Me To Raise Em


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 Dec 08 - 08:52 PM

Try "Buddy" instead of birdie

Barry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 02:26 AM

Thanks Mick.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Weldon or Weldon Yard shanty
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 09:48 AM

Thanks Barry - buddy sounds fine!

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Going Back to Weldon (Menhaden Chanteymen
From: GUEST,Pat Sheridan
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 06:16 AM

I find it hard to believe that this was a shanty. Sound more like a folk song but possibly of a forebitter origin. If it was sung by the Menhaden Chanteymen, as suggested, then it may have fishing trade links. I heard that it was from a fish processing plant in Weldon NC. However, there was huge railroad in Weldon and it could have come from a railroad singing tradition, maybe railroad yard. I am an Irish singer who has recorded an a Capella rendering of this song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Going Back to Weldon (Menhaden Chanteymen
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 08:02 AM

Pat

The songs was definitely sung by the Menhaden Chanteyman, a I stated (not suggested) above. They fished for the menhaden fish (a fish once used extensively for manure and its oil) and their songs were mostly (I think) used for net-hauling (rather than sails or capstan - the type of shanty you were referring to I imagine). The notes I quoted from the album (also posted above) suggest a possible railroad origin for the song.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Going Back to Weldon (Menhaden Chanteymen
From: maeve
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 01:27 PM

Here are Gordon Bok's notes on the song, recorded with the January Men (From :http://www.timberheadmusic.com/disc/weldon.htm )
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"Weldon"

Traditional: Arr. Menhaden Chanteymen of Beaufort

In the Menhaden fisheries of the east coast of America, songs like this were used for hardening up the twine after the fish had been pursed. They were lifting many tons of fish with their backs, so they needed the chanteys.

             I shared a fishing-songs workshop in Norfolk with a group of these men (old and younger) and later Bob Zentz sent me a tape of the Menhaden Chanteymen of Beaufort, NC who sang this song. You can tell by the structure of the song that this crew had sung together many years. We made this recording in our early days together, when Bob Stuart was with the group.

Sung by the January Men (Bob Stuart, lead)

I'm going back to Weldon, Weldon, Weldon
Going back to Weldon to get a job in the Weldon Yard.*

O captain if you fire me
You've got to fire my buddy, too.


Captain's got a luger
And the mate's got an owl's head.**

I don't want no woman
Who's got hair like a horse's mane.

O my house is on fire
And it's almost burning down.


*Weldon Yard: the railroad yards in Weldon, NC
**Owl's head what a double barreled pistol or derringer looks like when it's pointed at you.

Weldon is recorded on the album Gatherings.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Going Back to Weldon (Menhaden Chanteymen
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 18 - 02:45 PM

There's an article in a 1951 copy of "Life" magazine that shows menhaden fishermen at work, and quotes this song.

https://books.google.com/books?id=hVQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=bunker+%22hey+play%22&source=bl&ots=tXau2kREr0&sig=4OyCRBonv9EvolEtb_eH6qf1UE4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwipjra5vN3ZAhVHnOAKHVqTCnwQ6AEIPDAF#v=onepage&q=bunker%20%22hey%20play%22&f=false


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Going Back to Weldon (Menhaden Chanteymen
From: Greg B
Date: 23 Mar 18 - 11:41 AM

Not sure how the conclusion that "owl's head" refers to a derringer was reached. Iver Johnson was a popular brand of revolver (contemporary of the Luger) whose trademark was a stylized owl's head.

Both William Mckinley and Robert F Kennedy were assassinated with Iver Johnson revolvers.


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