New Year Song (Rachel Unthank and the Winterset)

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Tootler
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:58 PM

I have made a formal complaint about this thread.

Diane, it is true, there was already a thread about this song in Mudcat, but was it necessary to point this out in such a provocative manner?

It seems to me you need to think more carefully about what you are saying when you post to these threads.

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OK, that's enough out of all of you. Go home and take your distemper pills, and come back when you can discuss things in a civil manner. If you find a post objectionable, let me know about it - but don't respond to it. It's true that some among us have mild to moderate social disorders and regularly forget to take our medications. I ask you to show pity and tolerance toward us, and Not to Respond when we're being "difficult." Blame it on our parents, who brought us up without manners or psychotropic medication.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:31 PM

Poor Diane Easby,
Picks up the rice in a church where a wedding has been.
Lives in a dream,
Waits at the window,
Wearing a face which she keeps in a jar by the door,
Who is it for???
All the lonely people....
Where do they all come from??

Come on Diane... lighten up a bit and give honest opinions but don't get involved in attacking people you know nothing about.... life's too short....... We love you Diane.... Be nice!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:16 PM

OOOPs careful Dave... Diane gets so upset!!!!!!!! or something.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: skipy
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:08 PM

Girls, women or men, they all have nipples!

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: nutty
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:57 PM

The thing that makes Mudcat great is that it allows everyone to put forward an opinion - correct or otherwise.

As in any community some people believe they have to shout or be unpleasant in order to make people listen to what they have to say.

If what they were saying was in anyway sensible or important people would listen with interest

Stop shouting Diane ....

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:51 PM

Can I please also add that I enjoy the music that these 'girls' produce so much that I would start ten threads if I thought the publicity would do them some good.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:47 PM

At best Diane misunderstands and at worst she positively ignores the truth... moderators please put this woman in her place. This thread introduces to some ... the beauty of the singing voices and performance of a group of what to me at 60 are girls........ and good looking girls at that... no-one can deny this.... I believe that Diane is of an age where jealousy of youth reigns and I feel sorry for her but sad to say her opinions are so warped that they should be obliterated from what set out to be a sensible thread. Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:43 PM

pot

Yes. Tokes all round would be nice.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Kampervan
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:43 PM

Ms Easby, you regularly contribute much to this website in the way of informed comment, frequently answering questions with in-depth knowledge.

Yet, on the other hand, here you rail against innocent comment, finding it - in your opinion - patronising or offensive.

The use of the term - girl - was not intended, or likely, to cause offence: (men are frequently described as boys or lads). As with many things, the devil is in the context or the intent.

Given that unintentional transgressions may still be transgressions, the intensely emotional and intemperate language which you use is unlikely to get the perpetrator to think about and, possibly, modify their future postings.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:41 PM

Yes, you tell Mr Offer that some dim teapot didn't do a check for an existing thread (I expect he can see that).
And that same heap of antique junk is being patronising (again) towards women musicians (he can see that perfectly well too).
He'll sigh, throw up his arms and say "What can I do? That teapot's terminally dim . . . "

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Dave (Bridge)
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:40 PM

Between the ravings of WAV and Diane, this place is going to pot, such a shame

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:39 PM

Ooops Snail I promised I wouldn't say "Little" again. Damn I said it agin. Sorry

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:36 PM

Well you are little compared to me Diane

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:35 PM

Thank you.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:34 PM

>>How does one contact a moderator to make a complaint please. <<

Thats easy, you pm Joe Offer

Click on this link http://www.mudcat.org/choosemember2.cfm and then scroll down until you find Joe. Click on his name and then type your message and send it.

Sorry I upset you Snail, I know it can be very upsetting for you. I won't say that agin.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:27 PM

No, it's not really fun.
It's just that there's a certain neanderthal backwoods Mudcat contingent that likes to go off at half cock occasionally. It comes of knowing sod all about trad arts but they come here to try and pick up someone. Some hope.
They'll go back into hibernation before long.

Pejorative to call someone little? I'll say so. I'm 5' 9". That's not "little".

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:22 PM

indeed :-)

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Weasel
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:18 PM

I'm new to Mudcat - my! isn't it fun!!

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: TheSnail
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:17 PM

It is very patronising to use "little" in a pejorative way. Please desist.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:17 PM

How does one contact a moderator to make a complaint please.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:12 PM

I'm quite tall actually, you pathetic little "man".
And isn't it somewhat presumptuous of you to address me by my first name?
You don't know me.
It is one of the rules of Mudcat that a prospective poster should first check for pre-existing threads.
This was not done.
Whether it is a rule that posters are prohibited from making sexist and derogatory remarks, I know not.
However, I objected to it.
I can do this. And I have.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:59 PM

They should bin you Diane, you offensive little woman

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:56 PM

For fuck's sake.
I came on this thread to point out:

(1) that there already was one (at least( on the topic and
(2) that it is patronising and insulting to refer to women musicians as "girls".

The thread is redundant.
The mods ought to have amalgamated (as requested) and binned the title.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:49 PM

Shut up Diane. You do nothing but upset people

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:48 PM

And such profanity is completely unacceptable you were right you are no lady.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:46 PM

If the lecherous antique teapot wished to "learn" about the Winterset, he should first have searched for the existing thread on Tar Barrel in Dale (as linked to above) and added to it (if he had anything of substance to say). Hence he might just have avoided being so patronisingly sexist and demeaning of the output of these musicians who tour as a full-time job, for chrissake.

He (who knows not one iota about me) tells you all I have "limited knowledge" of the band. True, I haven't seen them that much of late since I preferred the original lineup. However, I was aware of the Unthanks' work and that of Jackie Oates long before the band was even formed.

All he has to say is that he "lurves" them. Jesus Christ. Just like he goes around lusting after unsuspecting women in folk clubs. As I said, wholly unacceptable.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:45 PM

Well said Lady Penelope

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: lady penelope
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:42 PM

Wow. Diane Easby - From a perfectly well 'gender politics' informed female, I have never seen such a display of outright bad manners, behaviour, foul language in the face of no provocation whatsoever, not to mention the worst case of having a head stuck so far up your own existence you might well be the only human mobius strip in the universe.

The further the better is all I can say.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Dave Earl
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:40 PM

Yes

She has a problem of some sort and beyond that I wish to say no more.

She bite my head off but I'm past caring

Dave

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: gnu
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:39 PM

Dearest Ms. Easby: I recommend urgent instruction for you in toleration and good manners.

BTW, Ms. Easby, your sentence, "To the person called Megan L, I also recommend urgent instruction in gender politics and in elementary sentence construction.", makes no sense. I suggest you, Ms. Easby, learn learn some proper grammar. If you imply that implication is not proper, you imply that you have not be proper, no?

Oh yeah, BTW... sod off with your self-righteous crap. I am implying you as the subject. Grammar that.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:35 PM

Diane is very insulting to men and its about time she was banned from Mudcat.

She is crude, foul mouthed and very offensive.

I know that georgiansilver is very religious and her comments are not acceptable.

Come on you moderators, get a grip on this woman. Its not acceptable.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 03:17 PM

>>>>>>>>To the person named after a tarnished teapot, your endless drooling over women remains unacceptable and, additionally, entirely off-topic. Your blustering is typical "old bloke" slimy blather. There are those who come to Mudcat to discuss music, though they won't get it in this doomed thread. As I said before, this absolutely not a fucking "lady", is outta here.<<<<<<<<< Diane. I am an antique collector, hence the name. Where on earth do you get the 'drooling over women' from??? My blustering in your eyes may well be acceptable to those discriminating people here who are not as abrasive as yourself and I come here to learn and enjoy... two things which you seem incapable of being part of. You seem to want to teach rather than learn ( a rather overinflated personal understanding of yourself) and please try to enjoy yourself in some other way than criticising others of whom you have limited knowledge in the first instance. Oh... ooops I guess you've left the thread so my ramblings (which I am sure you think they are) are of no value.
PS Glad you've gone!!!! Happy New Year.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 10:12 AM

This is what Go Britain has to say about it:

http://www.go-britain.com/html/allendale.htm

Including the usual pagan bollocks which such goings on invariably attract. For a more considered account see:

http://www.information-britain.co.uk/customdetail.php?id=10

And check YouTube too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkRmTLrhNys&feature=related

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: GUEST,Jim P
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 10:03 AM

Georgansilver: Thanks very much for posting the Youtube link. That was a delightful song, wonderfully performed, and inspired me to go a-Googling to find out what they were singing about. What a great tradition!

So much more fun and meaningful than sitting around the TV watching drunk people at Times Square watch a ball drop. Seriously, here in the US we watch people watching a ball. I need a drink.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 09:45 AM

Happy New Year everyone, anyway.

"May good fortune be with you
From all sorrows refrain"

Starting right now and here perhaps...

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 09:09 AM

There's no need. There are pre-existing threads.

To the person called Megan L, I also recommend urgent instruction in gender politics and in elementary sentence construction. That last post makes no sense.

To the person named after a tarnished teapot, your endless drooling over women remains unacceptable and, additionally, entirely off-topic. Your blustering is typical "old bloke" slimy blather. There are those who come to Mudcat to discuss music, though they won't get it in this doomed thread. As I said before, this absolutely not a fucking "lady", is outta here.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:55 AM

what a dignified lady. Oh sorry I have probably upset you again.

Now can we get this thread back to what it was originally about some lovely music.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:52 AM

And the title Diane.. don't forget to publish the title. You are telling me I need an elementary course in gender politics..... please also publish the title.
To someone of my upbringing and understanding of life... your foul language and understanding of gender politics leaves much to be desired. You attack others but lack the social courtesies you think they should have????
Where you get the 'disgraceful attitudes towards women' I cannot fathom.

1) I may choose to start a duplicate thread if I so wish! If the moderators are not happy with it they have the right to remove it.
2)My gender politics seems to be at a level which most people who know me can understand and accept.
3)I am a published author of short stories and poetry.
4)Since when have you been my judge? and why resort to such foul language when good vocabulary can express whatever you wish to?

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:18 AM

OK, I'll publish it:

Go to your red buttons now.

Disgusting? Vote now . . .

1. Do other users the courtesy of searching before starting duplicate threads.
2. Take an elementary course in gender politics.
3. Ditto in orthography and clarity in written expression.
4. As you never have anything to say that has the remotest bearing on scholarship and the tradarts, but everything to do with archaic and disgraceful attitudes towards women, fuck off out of my face.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:08 AM

Thank you for your disgusting PM Diane... I won't grace it with a reply.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 07:45 AM

Oh Diane, I do despair of you.... all those unfounded derogatory remarks you made about me on earlier threads... and now the girls??? Well, at 60 I guess I am old enough to think of them as girls.. for heavens sake my daughter is 40 and is still a girl to me. You just take every possibility you see to belittle or criticise... as if your opinion is now worth so much. You have lost a lot of credibility with people on here with your 'pointless' flaming. I guess the 'sour grapes' might indicate that you are a 'ageing' person yourself... I intend to age with a little dignity and grace...... how about you???
Whatever Diane.. Best wishes for a Happy New Year to you and all others who read this. Mike.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 06:41 AM

Get real!

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 06:17 AM

I think 'girl' is possibly more of a patronising term, for those who had to fight for the kinds of equality which my generation now take for granted. I personally don't object to certain casual references to my gender depending on context. But then I don't have to poke up with men in a work environment patting me on the bum and telling me to go and make everyone a cuppa dear. I do however have to poke up with guy (wannabe) 'mates' insisting on hugging me and calling me 'hun/babe etc.' - just like one of *the girls*. Not sure which is worse.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:53 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:28 AM

I would suggest that the OP who so entitled the thread in such an insulting fashion was "flaming".

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:24 AM

Stop being insulting Diane. You are flaming and that is not acceptable.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:15 AM

As this thread seems to be a gathering place for patronising sexist prats (of whatever gender), I dissociate myself from it.
I came only to indicate that it was doubly superfluous as the song has already been discussed ad infinitum elsewhere (and recently) and that it is offensively trivialising to describe Winterset members as "girls".

IAFWAFIAWMWQ

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:13 AM

Blimey, I had a young lady on the till in the shop say to me "Is that all Love". I took that as normal, even though I hadn't seen her before.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 05:06 AM

it is quite normal in certain areas of the country to refer to girls or lassies or in the case of men as lads regaurdless of age. If that is all you have in life to get yer nickers in a twist about you are a very fortunate person.

Subject: RE: Rachel and the girls.. New Year Song.
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 04:59 AM

Oh right, I see what you mean. In all honesty I do not think the title was meant to be patronising at all. I took it to mean an expression of endearment, nothing more, nothing less.
I wonder if Rachel or the rest of the band would take it as patronising? I think not.