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Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK

VirginiaTam 29 Dec 08 - 02:13 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 29 Dec 08 - 02:33 PM
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Ross Campbell 30 Dec 08 - 06:03 AM
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Subject: Tech: NTSC home videos to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 02:13 PM

I have a number of home videos of my daughters (one of whom has passed away). I made these tapes in the US so they are NTSC. I now live in the UK and am desperate for obvious reasons to get them into a more stable format where the quality will not deteriorate any further.

I know there are people and companies that I can send tapes to which will do the work. However as one of the subjects is deceased I have an acute fear the tapes will be lost or damaged. I cannot bear the idea of sending them away or even dropping them off with a small private outfit.

We purchased a lead and some software which enabled us to get some onto the PC. However the end result did not fill the monitor screen. It was only a small block centre screen as seen on you tube.

I want to be able to veiw full size on at least the PC screen if not the wide screen tele. Any suggestions?


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 02:33 PM

You need to examine the program yo have. There should be a way to alter the screen size. It sounds like you do not have it setup properly.

Also, I believe that dual-standard VHS decks are more prevelant in the UK than they are in the US. These have built in converters that should enable you to do what you are looking for. Perhaps some of of our friends from the other side could help.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 04:31 AM

refresh

Really need help with this.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 06:03 AM

Hitchens in Fleetwood still have stocks of Funai Model 31B-250 VHS players at £19.95 or thereabouts which will play back NTSC tapes on PAL TVs. They occasionally have combo machines where you can transfer from tape to DVD recorder (about £65). Or if you already have a VHS player which sends these OK to your TV, standalone DVD recorders have come down seriously in price (less than £40?). Currys and Comet still tend to be dearer, but discount chains like Poundstretcher (Instore) occasionally offer cheaper-range machines at silly prices. I wouldn't expect this sort of machine to last a long time, but if they get the job done? Once on DVD, your films should play on your computer.
If none of the above is immediately possible, it's always worth just duplicating your VHS tapes if you can.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 07:13 AM

I do have a video player that played the tapes fine on the old TV. We now have new wide screen. Imagine they will look pretty awful on that. We plan to get a DVD hardrive recorder. Maybe this week during the sales. Will try that.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: open mike
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 01:37 AM

good luck
the dvd will be compatible in either country...the digital technology
does not have the problem that PAL/NTSC incompatability does. hope you can do this...keep us posted on the outcome.

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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 12:00 PM

Ok - Sony DVD harddrive recorder ordered from Amazon (thru the Mudcat portal).

Will be here next week sometime. Will update thread as to success of this project.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: Simon G
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 01:50 PM

Lets assume the original was VHS tape, the number of pixels on VHS tape is 330 pixels wide which would be a pretty small area on any computer screen these days. I would expect the box has done its job and you've got as much information off the tape as you are going to get.

You got it right comparing to youtube as the orignal resolution of youtube was about the same as VHS -- although it is increasing as they get access to more bandwidth.

The trick is to get the viewer to upscale the image when you view it. You need to put the viewing app into full screen mode -- be prepared for a pretty fuzzy picture -- your still getting all the information that is on the tape but it is spread out a bit more.

Each viewer -- Window Media Player, Quicktime, Real, etc has a different way of switching to full screen mode.

Using some video processing software to upscale the video and save it might give a better result that live upscaling, probably not by much though.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: Simon G
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 01:53 PM

The software you use to write to a DVD should allow you to upscale it to fill the screen.

Remember to keep the original file recorded from the tape as everything you do after that will lose some information from the video, you may at some point want to go back and process again.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 02:33 PM

Hi Simon

Will try what you advised. Once I have them all copied onto two different hard drives, I may feel safe enough to send original tapes to professional outfit in hopes of getting best quality DVDs.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: Simon G
Date: 01 Jan 09 - 04:18 PM

I very much doubt a professional will do any better, your limited by the amount of information on the tape in the first place. From todays perspective its amazing what we put up with.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: wilbyhillbilly
Date: 02 Jan 09 - 05:32 AM

I've been doing sound and video transfers for about 6yrs now (a few for other mudcatters), so if you get to a point where you feel safe enough to send them out, I can transfer them to DVD, in whatever format you choose, plus editing etc.

As it's through Mudcat the only cost would be for you to cover the postage and perhaps make a small donation to the 'cat of whatever you feel appropriate.

Feel free to pm me if/when you decide or if you need any advice whilst doing it yourself. I'll help if I can.

Good luck!


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 01:05 PM

While looking for something completely different, I came across this USB powered Video converter on eBay. £9.99 (Buy It Now price) + £6.00 postage from Hong Kong.

Claims to work for Windows 2000/XP/Linux, so no use to me on Macs - it would be quite useful to have this direct-input facility rather than copying tapes to dvd first.

Ross


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: nickp
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 04:25 AM

As someone who has done a lot of this trying to move a large collection of PAL & NTSC VHS to DVD I would suggest avoiding the computer route. It causes more grief than its worth (and often I find the sound/video sync goes out of the window).

Whatever happens your tapes will not be wide screen - they will be 4:3 ratio (old tv shape) rather than 16:9. Leave them like that and live with the black bands down the side.

I recommend going from VHS to that Sony and (assuming it writes dvds as well) putting up with the relatively basic titling. It is BY FAR the easiest way. Note that if it's like my Panasonic HD/DVD you won't be able to mix PAL & NTSC on the same DVD. And you may well have to switch one of the Sony menu settings to record the different types to HD. Read the manual until you are comfortable with the idea.

Having wasted weeks (if not more) and good money on gadgets (and even using the firewire from my camcorder) trying to get good results using a pc I wouldn't recommend tht route if you have a HD/DVD option.

Nick


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 06:16 AM

I have some NTSC tapes that only play in monochrome on my VHS player - is this normal? Can they be copied to DVD in colour?
Help....!
Ray


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: nickp
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 09:11 AM

Hi Ray, there may be a switch on the back of the vcr. If not, bring them to me when you tour with Debby & co and we'll investigate. If they are colour then they should transfer in colour. Nick


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Jan 09 - 04:34 PM

Thank you all for the helpful input.

We have all the equipment and set it up and tried to record a bit of NTSC video onto DVD harddrive recorder. It worked amazingly well and very easy.

Thank you for all your help. Now to purchase best quality longest lasting DVDs.

Any suggestions as to best?


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 10 Jan 09 - 08:21 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: nickp
Date: 10 Jan 09 - 11:21 AM

Excellent news. Make sure you save several copies of each recording... just in case! Nick


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 10 Jan 09 - 11:37 AM

That's the plan and to put on extra harddrive as well.

We have discovered best DVD is Mitsui MAM-A Archive Gold DVD-R.

thanks all


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 11:53 AM

Dagnabbit

We have the videos now on the harddrive / DVD recorder and can play them on the TV fine from the harddrive.

What we cannot do is copy them from the hardrive onto recordable DVDs even though it is the same machine.

I think it is because on the harddrive they are still NTSC format and the DVD recorder only works with PAL.

NOW WHAT?


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: GUEST,Edthefolkie
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 03:53 PM

I know this is a bit of a kludge but it MAY work.

Borrow a recent PAL DVD player, link it up to the DVD recorder, stick the NTSC DVDs in the player and record them using the Sony recorder. Hopefully the player will read them OK and the recorder will copy them in PAL format, bypassing the hard drive altogether. The new DVDs MAY then be finalisable and then copyable/editable in the PAL domain.

Unfortunately I can't test this as I only have one NTSC DVD and it's copy protected, also my HDD recorder is Panasonic. Sorry in advance if it doesn't work....

Back to good old audio reel to reel and razor blades say I!


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 04:24 AM

Thanks, but the original recordings are on NTSC VHS. Home movies of my girls' highschool concerts and solos. We have managed to get them recorded to the Sony harddrive, but cannot get them from harddrive to the DVDs, so I can send to my daughter and Mom and so I can edit on PC and post bits to youtube.

Well now I have them on harddrive, I am not too terrified to send the VHS tapes to professional to convert and put on DVD. My main worry was the tapes would get lost or damaged in the post and I would have nothing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: NTSC home vids to DVD in UK
From: GUEST,Edthefolkie
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 03:38 PM

Oops, losing the plot totally! First I misread the post then I repost without putting any text in.

Anyway.....It still may be possible to hook a VHS player up to the DVD recorder and do a straight copy to DVD, probably transcoding in the process,without involving the hard drive.

But there are very reliable firms who will do copying involving standards conversion. The ones to avoid are the non specialists who do it as a sideline to key cutting etc - a proper AV firm is the one to go for although not very cheap! Personally, I'd actually deliver the tape to an audio visual firm because that way one can probably discuss available options.

I do sympathise because I have just archived about 500 hrs of old VHS material dating back to 1981 to DVD-R. I still have loads more to edit and archive. Now of course Blu-Ray is coming in and no doubt in a few years I'll have to do the whole thing all over again, (and again, and again). Then there's the thousands of slides dating back to 1965.....aaargh.


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