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Music in a dismal economy

Stewart 30 Dec 08 - 01:14 PM
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Leadfingers 30 Dec 08 - 01:25 PM
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GUEST,harvey andrews 30 Dec 08 - 02:23 PM
Stewart 30 Dec 08 - 02:35 PM
GUEST,harvey andrews 30 Dec 08 - 02:42 PM
Effsee 30 Dec 08 - 10:53 PM
Dave Roberts 31 Dec 08 - 10:41 AM
The Villan 31 Dec 08 - 10:53 AM
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Subject: Music in a dismal economy
From: Stewart
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 01:14 PM

In the midst of financial collapse, housing foreclosures, billion dollar bailouts, job losses, and an uncertain economic future, I wonder how this will affect our music and the lives of musicians. Certainly the hard times of the Great Depression had a big effect on the music of that era and the lives of musicians.

What music is coming out of our current economic decline? And how is this economy affecting the lives of musicians?

A couple recent songs speak to this:

Steve Tilston's "A Pretty Penny" laments the unfairness and greed of those who manipulate the system for their own gain:

"There's some men in this city who are paid a pretty penny
Just for guessing where the money flows.
Certain handshakes, knowing smiles, in this city mile.
That's the way you know the bonus grows."

And the rest of the lyrics are HERE.

Mudcat's Reggie Miles sings about the result of all this in his "Wall Street Blues." You can hear him sing this song in Seattle's Pike Place Market or on YouTube

"Everybody's talkin' about
The economic downturn
Who's getting' bailed out
And who is going to get burned

Wall Street millionaires
Vultures coming home to roost
One more corporate welfare
To pad their golden parachutes

Fannie May and Freddie Mac
They're starvin' like AIG
A blank check is all they lack
For their next spending spree

Everybody's talking 'bout
The stock market crashing down
Who's going to get a handout
Who they're going to let drown"
...

Are there other protest songs, songs of hard times, or songs to make us forget our hard times, coming out of this economic downturn? What are some examples?

How does the current downturn affect musicians? Will singer-songwriters move away from "me, me, me..." to more relevant themes? Is there perhaps a silver lining to the dark cloud of this economy?

What do you think?

S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Acorn4
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 01:23 PM

There is a recent thread "The Recession and folk music" which will have some relevance here.


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 01:25 PM

Unemployment Compensation Blues ! In the D T --

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=10287


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Ian Fyvie
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 01:40 PM

I hope the recession will get more people together to sing and play generally (as I've said in other threads). Folk singarounds especially are a cheap way of providing people with decent (local) entertainment for the price of a drink or so.

And the ethos is superior to consuming the Big Names hyped by the music industry (or the overrated cronies loved by local folk cliques).

And who knows - someone who enjoys a singaround might start another on a different night - or in a different town and get thousands more involved with folkie type music generally - and showing thousands more to rea that making entertainment together is far more fun than paying to be a passive punter.

Ian Fyvie


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Subject: ADD: The Way We Lived Then (Harvey Andrews)
From: GUEST,harvey andrews
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 02:23 PM

I know it's not cool to post one's own work or to say I told you so but I can't resist. I wrote this in 1992 and recorded it on "Spring Again" in 1994.
^^                          THE WAY WE LIVED THEN


                Caviar on the table, Champagne in the glass
                We laughed and we jeered at the poor working class
                We drank to their ruin, we drank to their shame
                We pissed on their problems, said they were to blame
                Oh the way we lived then, the way we lived then,
                The way we lived then.

                Jason wore braces and slicked his hair down
                Ben had the number of each deb in town
                I was a member of every new club
                And I used my gold card to pay every sub
                For the way we lived then, the way we lived then,
                The way we lived then.

                chorus

                Oh, the way we lived then,
                Selling Deutschmark or Yen,
                Never thinking of where did it come from
                How long would it last us, or when
                Would we all have to pay for this mad holiday
                For the Porsche and the Rolls
                That were our only goals
                Me and Jason and Ben,
                Oh, the way we lived then.


                Jason met Sarah, a girl in P.R.
                They had a white wedding all paid for by Pa
                Borrowed a fortune to buy their first pad
                It was two hundred K, but then prices were mad.
                The way we lived then, the way we lived then,
                The way we lived then.

                Jason said, three years, we'll sell and move on
                Then suddenly, terribly, Maggie was gone
                Ben said don't worry she's schooled them all well
                So we drank to the sending of Labour to hell
                Oh, the way we lived then, the way we lived then,
                The way we lived then.
                CHORUS

                Sarah got pregnant, then Jason got fired
                Ben took a pay cut and I felt too tired
                Burnt out at thirty and sacked on the day
                The repo man took my red Roller away
                Oh the way we lived then, the way we lived then,
                The way we lived then.

                CHORUS

                Now there's bread on the table and beer in the glass
                It's merely a set back and bad times will pass
                Monopoly money means always pass go
                And we'll surely pass you if you're going too slow
                And we'll live it again, the way we lived then,
                The way we lived then.


                Yes, we'll live it again, selling Euro or Yen
                Only this time we'll know where it comes from
                We'll know how to keep it, and then
                We'll make someone else pay for our mad holiday
                For the Porsche and the Rolls that are our only goals
                Me and Jason and Ben,
                We'll live it again,
                The way we lived then,
                We'll live it again.

    Harvey, it IS cool to post one's own work - at Mudcat, at least. Please feel free to post anything you like.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Stewart
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 02:35 PM

That is COOL Harvey!
Can we listen to it anywhere?
On the internet?

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: GUEST,harvey andrews
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 02:42 PM

Sorry Stewart, it's on the cd (which is, obviously for sale on my website)but is not for download on the internet and I'm not computer literate enough to do anything about that!Maybe someone more advanced who has the cd can MP3 it, or whatever you do, with my permission as I own the track and would have no objections just this once!


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Effsee
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 10:53 PM

By coincidence , tonight on my programme on Caithness FM, I played Harvey's song "Again" from his 70's album "Writer of Songs", and wondered if this was the future prospects apropos the Credit Crunch!
Great song Harvey, have loved your work for the best part of 40 years ever since "Kids colour bar", keep on doing the bizz!


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 10:41 AM

Harvey Andrews Rules!


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: The Villan
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 10:53 AM

Hi Harvey
Enjoyed your gig at Grimsby. Up the Villa:-)
Happy New Year to you.
Les Worrall


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Goose Gander
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 11:07 AM

In a dismal economy, make your own music.


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 11:59 AM

In my mind the the rise of the fascist element in England is related to this prophesied recession. the shops are full of sales shoppers at the moment. When will the hammer fall, we wonder?

This is my song about it:-

Every Englishman's Friend
Oh the rich man stood on his castle wall
And said that the poor deserve bugger all

So no one turned the wheels or oiled the locks
And all our economy went to cock


And soon the Blame Game Boys are out there , and at it again
First they tell you they're every Englishman's friend
Its all these blacks and all these Asians
Ruining the fabric of our nation
An theres blokes on the street sayin' stuff like this
With a mind like a jackboot and mind like a fist!

And the schools couldn't teach the kids
And no one could reach
So much wrong-headed, right wing crap had been preached
And the Blame Game Boys are out there at the school gate
Stopping all the white kids and calling 'em mate
You don't read too good, don't worry man
I've read the book of hate and I've got a plan
Its all these blacks and all these Asians
All the fault of this immigration
And soon the kids are startin life
With a swastika tattoo and a flick knife

So this is a song

To say your parents are wrong
If they vote BNP, they've been fooled and conned
You wanna go to the place Hitler took the krauts?
Just think twice before you bring that about
Pride in Fatherland!
See the foreigner bow!
It was bollocks then and its bollocks now!

And soon the Blame Game Boys are out there , and at it again
First they tell you they're every Englishman's friend
Its all these blacks and all these Asians
Ruining the fabric of our nation
An theres bloke on the street sayin' stuff like this
With a mouth like a jackboot, and a mind like a fist

© Alan Whittle 25/11/2008 07:48:08

You can hear it hear. too late to worry about being cool!
http://www.bigalwhittle.co.uk/id35.html


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: GUEST,harvey andrews
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 03:07 PM

And a good New Year to you Les and to all Mudcatters. Great to see the Villa challenging the top four! May it be a good year for both our city's teams.


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Stringsinger
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 03:31 PM

Time to reach into the songbag and dust off "The Banks Are Made Of Marble" and "U.A.W.C.I.O. Makes the Army Roll and Go". (Bess Hawes and others.)

"Get thee behind me Satan, travel on down the line.
I am a union man, and I'm gonna' leave you behind." (Almanac Singers)

"Some will rob you with a six-gun and some with a fountain pen" --Pretty Boy Floyd--W. Guthrie

Such a rich tradition and it's readily available.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 03:53 PM

And if you're white, hang tight!
Black or brown, stick around.
On the US workforce?
Out-sourced, out-sourced, out-sourced.


IF you want better wages, let me tell ya what to do,
Ya got to talk to the worker sin the shop with you,
Ya got to build you a union, biys, and make it strong,
'Cuz if you all stick together, boys, it won't be long!


Too old to work. Woo old to work!
You're too old to work, and you're too young to die.
Who will take care of you, how'll you get by?
When you're too old to work and you're too young to die.

The list goes on and on....




A


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Stewart
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 05:17 PM

Down Home Radio Show
Songs of the Great Depression


Audio Archive - mp3
Tracks:
1.Brother, Can You Spare A Dime- Leo Reisman & His Orchestra Poor Man's Heaven
2. Bank Failures - Bob Ferguson & Scalawaggers Songs for Political Action: Folk Music, Topical Songs and the American Left
3. No Depression in Heaven - The Carter Family
4. How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times And Live- Blind Alfred Reed Hard Times In The Country
5. Poor Man - Frank Proffitt Memorial Album
6. NRA Blues- Bill Cox
7. Death Of The Blue Eagle - George Davis Mountain Music Of Kentucky
8. WPA Song - unknown
9. Join The CIO- Aunt Molly Jackson
10. Join The Union Tonight- John Handcox Songs for Political Action
11. 35 Depression - Daddy Stovepipe & Mississippi Sarah Poor Man's Heaven
12. '31 Depression Blues - The New Lost City Ramblers Volume II 1963-1973
13. Jolly Banker - Woody Guthrie Library Of Congress Recordings
14. Wreck Of The Tennessee Gravy Train - Uncle Dave Macon Classic Sides 1929-1938 Disc D
15. President Roosevelt Is Everybody's Friend - Rev. JM Gates Poor Man's Heaven
16. Roosevelt After Inauguration (excerpt)-From The Yage Letters - William S. Burroughs
17. Tell Me Why You Like Roosevelt - McKinley Peebles Friends Of Old Time Music (Disc 2)
18. I Don't Want Your Millions Mister - Tillman Cadle Songs for Political Action
19. 11 Cent Cotton 40 Cent Meat - Bob & The Boys Songs for Political Action
20. Pretty Boy Floyd - Woody Guthrie Dust Bowl Ballads

This ought to cheer you up for the New Year!

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 11:54 PM

For the banks are all broken they say
And the merchants are all up a tree
When the big-wigs are brought
To the Bankruptcy Court
What hope for a squatter like me

More than 100 years later & it's still relevent

Barry


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: GUEST,WATG
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 05:15 PM

There's another great song about no money in these economic times "If You Ain't Got The Money" by "Who Are Those Guys". The song has been used on CBS televisions "Without A Trace" . If you want to hear the tune for free go to their website at: www.whoarethoseguys.com or you can find links to buy the song from there. Enjoy!!!!


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: paula t
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 05:43 PM

Hi Harvey,
I think that "Targets" is, once again, so topical!


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 04:14 AM

I recently heard Alex Glasgow's Turning the Clock Back and thought it pretty relevant to current times.

Some good music on this thread. Guthrie's line "Some will rob you with a six gun, and some with a fountain pen" is so spot on!

I'd also second Ian and Michael's comments regarding making your own music. I think this was coming around, recession or not, anyway due to a reaction against over produced pop (X-factor, robotic pop etc). Recession may well speed it up though...

Pete.


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 04:38 AM

Nice one Harvey.

A long time ago, Stan Kelly wrote an ironic little song called "Pity the Downtrodden Landlord" - perhaps it's time for an updated version along the lines of "Pity the Unemployed Banker". Or maybe someone will give us "How Can a Rich Man Stand Such Times and Live"?

Wassail!


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Mavis Enderby
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 04:50 AM

I remember a time when bonuses were high
You could sell on debt and banks would fight to buy
Now we're up to our necks in sh*t
The taxpayer must take the hit
Tell me how can a rich man stand such times and live

Pete (who really must get on with some work now!)


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Ian Fyvie
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 02:29 PM

Revisited this thread after a week of news which included political eruptions in Egypt (military jets buzzing protesters, tanks on the streets...); demonstration in Britain by students, trades unionists (against fees, against job cuts).

Anti capitalist protesters are energeticly publicising how the bankers and other sectors of the Rich are still whooping it up - despite two years now of we ordinary folk being told to expect austerity, perhaps for a generation - and English demonstraters are now getting tear gassed.

The scope for new songs is huge - perhaps we need a dedicated forum where writers can offer thieir up-to-the-minute songs to campaign groups who might like to use them on demos, campaign DVD's - and of course where songsters can offer to write campaign songs. Any ideas?

Ian Fyvie


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 03:30 PM

Once I built a tower, up to the sun
Of bricks and mortar and lime
Once I built a tower and now it's done
Buddy can you spare a …hugely obscene bonus??


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Deckman
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 03:52 PM

BARRY ... I was going to suggest the same song ("Come Stumpy Old Man") but you beat me to it!

Stew ... your thread idea is very good ... why am I NOT surprised. I also am a great admirer of Reggie Miles' song writing abilities ... simply breathtaking.

One of the things that concerns me, with a few exceptions, is that good and powerful songs FOLLOW THE EVENT ... rather than proceeding the event. There are obvious exceptions: "We Shall Overcomw", "Marching To Pretoria", etc. But as Pete Seeger often preached ... (my words) but with a good song we can change things.

It might be interesting to re-visit this thread in ten more years. bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 04:04 PM

... if any of us oldies can make it back here ... :-P


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: GUEST,harvey andrews
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 07:16 PM

HERE'S TO THE COALITION
HERE'S TO THE CON LIB PACT
HERE'S TO THE COALITION
THE ONE NO VOTER BACKED
HERE'S TO THE COALITION
AND THE CUTS THAT THEY WILL HAND ON
BUT WITHOUT SUPPORT
IT'D COME TO NAUGHT
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLEGG TO STAND ON
YES WITHOUT SUPPORT
IT'D COME TO NAUGHT
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CLEGG TO STAND ON


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: michaelr
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 12:37 AM

Here in my corner of California - the world's 8th largest economy - we've gone from 12 folk venues twenty years ago to three. This is Sonoma County, where there are more folk, bluegrass, old-time, Celtic and oher players than anywhere else I know. It SUCKS!


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 02:26 AM

BILLIONS OR MORE

The queue at the bank grows more glum and more grey
Since they've learned a new trick
To drive borrowers away

borrowers away, borrowers away
borrowers away
since they've learned a new trick
to drive borrowers away

If you ask them for credit you'll find they give none
But the bankers got a bonus for the good job they done

good job they done, good job they done good job they done
but the bankers got a bonus for the good job they done

Rob Peston he wakes us each day
with news so dire
in a clipped halting voice says we're
deep in the mire

deep in the mire. deep in the mire
deep in the mire
in a clipped halting voice says we're
deep in the mire

Now I work at 3 jobs to keep roof over head
And the day I retire is the day you find me dead

find me dead, find me dead
find me dead
and the day I retire is the day you find me dead

So the bankers are wealthy, but the banks they are poor
But would they be fairer with billions or more

billions or more, billions or more
billions or more
but would they be fairer with
billions or more


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 05:15 PM

I've been thinking about "the way we lived then" quite a lot recently, so many thanks for the posting! The only difference is the price of houses!
Mike


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 05:46 PM

And the banks are (still) made of marble with a guard at every door...


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: GUEST,harvey andrews
Date: 06 Feb 11 - 02:14 PM

I know it's three years too late for Stewart but "The way we lived then" is now available for download on my website and you can listen to the whole track for free if you wish.
www.harveyandrews.com


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Subject: RE: Music in a dismal economy
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 07 Feb 11 - 07:51 AM

I Find I'm singing John Heslops "Blood of the Common Man" a lot more these days with one small change to the last line of the refrain as below...

Far away in the marble city
where there's neither love nor pity
The bankers drink whenever they can
The get drunk on the blood of the common man!
Blood and toil, sweat and labour
and in debt forevermore


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