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Referendum: Make UK News a Separate Category

GUEST,hg 07 Jan 09 - 11:56 AM
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Big Mick 07 Jan 09 - 12:12 PM
The Villan 07 Jan 09 - 12:35 PM
Midchuck 07 Jan 09 - 12:41 PM
GUEST,hg 07 Jan 09 - 12:41 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 07 Jan 09 - 12:45 PM
Big Mick 07 Jan 09 - 12:47 PM
Richard Bridge 07 Jan 09 - 12:47 PM
treewind 07 Jan 09 - 12:48 PM
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Sleepy Rosie 07 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM
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The Villan 07 Jan 09 - 01:37 PM
Big Mick 07 Jan 09 - 01:52 PM
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Subject: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 11:56 AM

Please vote here in favor of making UK news a separate category. There is a great deal of it and I don't want to waste what little free time I have nowadays opening threads which don't pertain to the US folk/blues scene. Maybe if enough people indicate they want this and not just gargoyle and me, it will be done.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: RTim
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 11:59 AM

You DON'T have to read every thread!!! It should be pretty easy to tell which are of most interest to you? Some aspects are multi-continental. Tim R


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:01 PM

Even WOMAD has recognised that England is part of the world.
The US got one portion of its music from here, the rest from Africa.
So how do you distinguish? And what's the point anyway?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:12 PM

Not going to happen. The beauty of the Mudcat from the very beginning has been that it fosters and encourages more of a world view. On everything from music, to current events, to international affairs, to folk clubs, to performers, to customs, to genres, to language, ..... and on and on ....... we benefit from the exposure to folks from all over. Friendships, world travel, it is all fostered by the Mudcat being what it is.

There are plenty of sites out there devoted to just Irish, or just blues, or just bluegrass, .... whatever ..... But this community, because of its international flavor, will remain what it is.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: The Villan
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:35 PM

I am in the Uk and have met several mudcatters from the states, when they were over in the Uk.

Fortunato and his wife (Chance & Susette)
Kendall & JacquiC


I have also made a lot of freinds from the States (and other countries as well), too numerous to mention.

Through Mudcat, I got involved in running a folk club which has developed into a Concert Style Folk Venue. Thats the worst thing I ever did LOL

In the Uk its incredible how many friends (or I hope they are :-) ) I have made through Mudcat and quite a lot I have met.

So all in all Big Mick says it all.

Les


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Midchuck
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:41 PM

You might want to make _USA_ a separate category - or maybe "North America." Seems as if the music posts are overwhelmingly UK. I'm not sure why, the forum being based in the US.

I am, of course, in the US, but I enjoy reading the Brit stuff. I want to get back there sooner or later. Preferably after the dollar recovers a little.

Peter


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:41 PM

Having a separate category would not prevent anyone from mingling in any way. It is just a sensible housekeeping thing. It doesn't impact the "community" or anything else except our individual time. Why you all have to make this into an emotional issue is beyond me.

Let the nays vote elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:45 PM

"Let the nays vote elsewhere. "

Sounds like a "fair and balanced" election process you are proposing!!! Separate voting?????

Keep everything together, it doesn't bother most people as there is a connection.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:47 PM

It's not a democracy, it's a private site. And I didn't inject emotion. Just a statement of facts as I see them.

But thanks for your input.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:47 PM

I don't usually find any difficulty in figuring out from headings which music threads are US or UK specific, and any I start that are UK specific I aim to put a geographical indicator in the thread title.

I also think that the cross-fertilisation aspect of this community is valuable.

I vote Nay, and I do it here.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: treewind
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:48 PM

Simple answer: add "UK:" to the list of common prefixes in thread titles. Then anyone starting a thread can include that if it's about (for example) a UK event or other strictly UK-specific issue.

Perhaps a "USA:" prefix too, for anything that is likely to be of little interest to UK mudcatters unless they were actually planning a trip across the pond. And if you're not sure, leave the prefix out.

Mots of the other offered prefixes are not country specific, so there's no clash.

As noted, anyone can ignore a thread if they don't want to read it.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 12:52 PM

Mick, are you saying that hg has no authority to run a vote on this? (Newbies may be confused.) As far as I know she has none.... but to me the issue is the thread title, which is different from her "vote request" (IMO it's an illconsidered effort to get people to help her pressure the site mgmt to do what she wants.)

~S~


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM

If it bothers people, Anahata's suggestion of extra optional thread prefixes sounds sensible for events and suchlike which are country specific UK/USA/Other. But further separate sections would fragment it too much IMO. I suspect what I'm coming to enjoy about Mudcat is the same as what the long term members enjoy, the whole international bubbling cauldron of brew.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 01:32 PM

I think Anahata's suggestion is excellent.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: The Villan
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 01:37 PM

So do I.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 01:52 PM

Yep, Susan. I believe that is her motive, as well. Of course she has the ability to expose her opinion to the population at large. But any implication that the site is a democracy is incorrect. The site is a private site. Anyone around for more than a few seconds will realize that we impose very few rules, try to leave it as much a "whole international bubbling cauldron of brew" (well said, Rosie, I loved that description) as possible, and encourage folks to intermingle on an international basis. That very part of Mudcat has been a key to its success.

So, to correct any confusion, let me restate what Susan has said. hg has no authority to run an election, as Mudcat is not a democracy. Had she simply expressed an opinion, that would be fine. When she threw in the pressure tactic to "get her way" that made it a different kettle of fish.

So ignore the vote aspect, and express your opinion. We love hearing your ideas. Many of those have resulted in tune ups that worked well. Some don't work but we appreciate hearing them. Probably a better idea would be to take them directly to Max, Joe, myself, or one of the other moderators.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 01:59 PM

A lot of thread categories here are regularly abused (Tech more than most, I'd say) and a lot of thread titles are very unhelpful. In many cases this is because the people starting the threads are inexperienced, lazy or just not very bright: we've had plenty of examples of gig announcements that don't say where the venue is at all, and frequently they don't say what country they are in. US contributors seem just as neglectful in that regard as do UK ones.

For that reason it's unhelpful to say 'You don't have to read every thread'; a lot of the time the title is so poorly chosen that the only way to find out what it is about is to read it. The answer to that is to ensure that the title provides useful information about the content.

'hg' is talking about news (gig announcements and the like, presumably) rather than discussions of the music itself and other topics of general interest which require no country identifier. Not everybody seems to have understood that.

One approach would be to introduce a specific category prefix (such as ANN -announcement- as traditionally used in the Usenet groups) which would identify event-based threads, perhaps combined with a country identifier; or just provide a simple country identifier as Anahata suggested while I was writing this. Rather than isolate the UK, as hg suggests, it might make better sense to use a range. The countries most widely represented at present are, I think, the UK, USA, Canada and Ireland; UK: / US: / CAN: / IR shouldn't be too much for people of normal intelligence to grasp, though I admit that on present evidence (present company, of course, excepted) we do have contributors (some of them club organisers) who would lose a thinking contest with a boiled turnip.

When I first started looking in here (about 10 years ago) UK contributors were quite a small minority. Internet access was thin on the ground and much more expensive than it was for American users. That has changed, and the old default assumption that everybody and everything here was American no longer holds. Unfortunately this does seem to have led to many UK newbies assuming -as Americans used to; some still do- that there is no need to say what country their announcement or question (the latter is a particular problem if they are starting yet another copyright or performing rights thread) relates to. I agree that this would be usefully addressed; I don't agree that we can work from any particular assumption about where in the world a contributor is based, or that any one country should be singled out. 'hg' is not the only person here who has limited time, and his or her personal interests may not be those of the majority.

The suggestion that was actually made (rather than the suggestion a few people seem to have assumed was being made) deserves proper thought and consideration whatever motivation may lie behind it. It may prove impractical or unnecessary (it certainly needs amendment as outlined above) but, though Max may decide against it, it is a perfectly reasonable suggestion to make and it is quite wrong to dismiss it out of hand.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Midchuck
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:04 PM

My problem, as a Vermonter, is that I see a notice of a festival or concert or whatever, in Rutland or Manchester or Bristol or Leicester or Sudbury or etc. and get all excited, then get let down because it's too far to travel for the weekend after all.

It would be nice if threads about specific events were designated USA or UK or Canada. But then it would be nice if the Oregonians and the Maineiacs would say which Portland they're talking about...

Peter


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:12 PM

Perhaps the idea of an "event" descriptor is not a bad one. But as Peter points out, that leads to other confusions. How hard is it to jump in and determine what the site is? Most Mudcatters who have been around for any length of time can tell by who is posting as to where it is going to be. hg has been here longer than most, so she knows full well where most of this stuff is.

But the descripton under an event category might not be a bad idea.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:15 PM

UK in all UK related thread titles would help a lot. Separating blues american blues foreign or UK or threads about instrument repair or venues in different countries would help. Categories like we do with BS on the same page would be helpful. I just want to see some opinions or something. I don't give a crap that "this is not a democratic site". That's not the point. The more traffic we get the harder it is to find useful stuff to read and contribute to.

But spare me the discussion of my evil motives. That is one of the main things wrong with how certain people contribute to this site.

But dissecting my motives, my choice of words, and suggesting I am trying to get my way is a load of the usual rubbish. Sorry I used the wrong words. Just tell me how I should say I "don't want to waste time trying to find threads on stuff I am interested in now that I have so little time and there is so much that is unidentifiable by title.

Or just listen to the folks you don't have it out for. Forget I said anything.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:29 PM

It would be a better idea if people just titled threads in a way that helped readers find what they wanted to find.

The more categories there are, the more people misuse them. See 'Review:' and 'Folklore:' for some examples. I don't know why people do that--maybe it's because they think their thread will get more attention. The misuse of categories means either aggravation for folks or somebody enforces them.

By all means, use 'UK:' or 'ANN:', but make it voluntary. Suggest it and get people to agree to use it. It's Max's decision, but I bet he doesn't want more categories and more excuses for people to bitch 'that doesn't go there'.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:34 PM

"international bubbling cauldron of brew" (well said, Rosie"

I had this really weird amalgam between this
and this in my head, when I thought it... But it kind of suits the Cat somehow.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:57 PM

I 2nd what Jeri said... it is just polite & reasonable to TRY to remember that vague & 'clever' thread titles can be confusing. Whether it's announcing an event or starting a discussion below the line, it helps to have some indication of what it's about.

Examples? Why sure!

a thread was just started in BS called "Do you care?" It's about the Mid-East crisis...but it's not exactly clear. It was probably meant to lure in EVERYONE....but...sheesh!

A couple of years ago, a thread appeared in BS titled "He's Gone!" .....evidently, those in the UK could guess immediately that it referred to the departure of a soccer/football player. In a UK sports forum, it would be quite clear. Various folks in the UK seem to like oblique, "you know what I mean" references....but in this sort of public, 'open' forum, it is not only confusing, but distracting.

Both thread titles and language inside threads should avoid excessive jargon, cant, slang & vernacular expressions when folks from other cultures are expected to read & comprehend.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 02:57 PM

An optional UK prefix makes a lot of sense. It'd probably get used sometimes when it wasn't quite appropriate, and left out sometimes when it would have been, but so what? That happens already with the prefixes we've got - for example as someone pointed out, whatever this thread is, it isn't "Tech" - but no particular harm in that.

But no further splitting of the forum, please. Signposts are one thing, but barriers are very much an other.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:10 PM

I hope we can avoid another prefix....and, after all, remembering to USE a prefix is often a problem, so it is basically optional, anyway.

Just a little effort in titling is all that is needed.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: The Villan
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:14 PM

One of the problems I have, is the limitation on the thread title. So a UK option would help a lot.

My latest thread takes the whole title before I even try to put UK in. But I would like to indicate it is the UK.

"Vin Garbutt FaldingworthLive Jan 17 2009" is the extent of what I can do as a title. To have the UK as an extra extension would really help, although I know most people in the UK would know its the UK. However to help the USA people, then it helps.

I don't think we in the UK are trying to be awkward, but the limitation on the title makes it difficult. Maybe the title length could be increased!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: RTim
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:18 PM

What if you are English BUT living in the USA? or Vice versa? And if you are genuinely interested in folk music & dance BOTH sides of the pond? If "Guest:hg" is that worried - why not become a member and not just a Guest? Tim Radford - who gets great pleasure from reading everyone's comments


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: PoppaGator
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:23 PM

Well said, Malcolm, and welcome back.

I think a prefix for "ANN(ouncement)" or "NEWS" or "GIG" would be more helpful than one for "UK." After all, to be fair, if we were to have one nation-specific category, we would really have to have several more as well (USA, CAN, IRL, EUR, AUS, NZ, etc.) Then, too, there'd be Scots and Welshmen ~ and English, too, in all likelihood ~ insistent upon their own categories idependent from the catch-all "UK."

I skip well more than half of the threads I encounter, usually because I can tell from the title that the topic is not of interest to me. (And sometimes simply because there are already too many posts for me to bother reading ~ that's why I have never yet peeked into "Mother of All BS"!)

My disinterest in opening a given discussion is sometimes due to geographical considerations ~ I know that I have no use for information regarding "What's On" in this or that other locality remote from my own base of operations, regardless of country or continent. In many other cases, I'll skip past discussions of topics in which I simply have no interest for reasons other than geography: e.g., music threads about instruments I don't play and genres I don't care about, or "BS" discussions on topics that don't concern me.

What I would ask for is not a vote, but simply a greater degree of attention to the titles given to new discussions. Try to make it clear when you know your topic is of limited interest, whether for geographical or other reasons. And perhaps the moderators/"clones" might step in a little more often to make such clarifications when the OP fails to do so, whether out of newbie-ness or inattention or whatever.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:26 PM

Thanks for clarifying, Mick.

Joe has often said before that if people want a new prefix, to go ahead and use one and that if it catches on, it may be added someday to the prefix menu.

But I find the mod's restrained retitling of threads (to clarify confusing locations, topics, etc.) perfectly workable as it now is.

There is a great database of gig schedules at a site a number of pro-performing members use (I forget what it is for sure-- MUsicCal???!?), that I think is possible to sort by performer, area, etc. IMO Mudcat does not need to duplicate that service or people's email lists for promotions. I don't mind if Mudcat also runs notices, but IMO it is not the best, most-useful way to get gig info or to use Mudcat's bandwidth. (If it was, the "What's On" thread probably would have gotten more play.)

~S~


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 03:32 PM

As has been pointed out, this thread is not "Tech".
But of course, if it had been BS it could not have been started by a Guest poster.
Sort of an 'own goal' there (sorry about the sports terminology), someone asking for more and varied 'tags' while mis-using the available ones!

To agree with many above, it would be a courteous move if events notices, etc included some sort of geographical reference, but it is far from essential.

Nigel
WALES


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:08 PM

It's common for threads that start with an announcement to drift into wider issues, which may not be country-specific.

Usenet has a mechanism to deal with that - make the announcements group moderated, followups to somewhere else. That could work here if all gig and festival announcements were made to a moderated perma-thread (or one of a number of geographically specific perma-threads) with NO discussion allowed - you want to comment on it, start another thread.

But that throws a lot more work on to the moderators. Since "hg" can't even be arsed to register or say who they are, I doubt if he/she/it is volunteering to help with such a scheme.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:31 PM

Easiest way to deal with drift if it sees to be taking the discussion away from what you want to talk about is to start a new thread, and, make a post in the old one telling people. It doesn't need clever new mechanisms or moderators moving the furniture about, just Mudcatters as individuals using the resources that we already have - including a little imagination.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 05:43 PM

We already have access to all the "optional" prefixes our imaginations can come up with.

Whenever I start a thread, assuming that it IS in some particular UK specific, I put UK in the title so as to let UK members know it is for them. Purely incidentally, it also informs US members that there is probably nothing within of interest to THEM.

Pray tell me why it should be necessary to add this facility to the standard prefix list, where it could be just as easily used or ignored.

The point, as far as I can see, is that there is no logical benefit. Far better direct effort toward persuading everyone to exercise a little consideration, and type a couple of extra characters as a matter of course.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: semi-submersible
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 06:08 PM

No, to the straw poll. Yes, to optional geographical prefixes. Perhaps there could be a second popup menu when starting a thread. (A menu would make the use and spelling more regular, so filters would work better with them.)

I agree with McGrath of Harlow:
"Signposts are one thing, but barriers are very much an other."


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 06:09 PM

you and garg are not the only ones, harpgirl. I posted this to the last update thread and have since changed my mind to ask for a UK prefix only that folks may use when starting a new thread:

I also second a suggestion I *think* I remember reading for a third section for UK gigs, fests, etc. I love having Brits be a big part of Mudcat, but there are days when one looks at the music threads and it looks like a UK-only site. NO offence to anyone, just noting what I see and hear from others.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 06:15 PM

Villan, you CAN prune if you have to, although I agree it is a challenge withthe curently limited number of characters.

Try

"Garbutt Faldingworth 170109 UK"

THe UK tells US readers that the date is UK format (and the fact that there is no 17th month) and I am not aware of any other famous Garbutt. Nor a dead Faldingworth.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: treewind
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 06:18 PM

"Pray tell me why it should be necessary to add this facility to the standard prefix list"

Funnily enough, I think people would be more likely to add "UK:" if it was there as a standard prefix. You might as well ask why have any prefixes at all... The psychology of it is that you are persuaded that you should use one of those prefixes: hence the number of times that a prefix is used when it really isn't appropriate, because there isn't one that fits but people think they should choose one anyway.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: artbrooks
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 06:32 PM

I'd say no. Not because I have a problem with opening threads which don't pertain to the US folk/blues scene, but simply because there are so many possible categories. GUEST,hg said further on that separating blues american blues foreign or UK or threads about instrument repair or venues in different countries would help. That all comes under the general heading of "too much information". Should we have Northeast(US), Midatlantic, Southeast, Midsouth, and so forth? Since I'm in New Mexico, the announcement of a concert in Maine has about the same level of interest for me as one in Hull(UK), and would cost about the same in time and money to get to. Being of moderate intelligence, I really am able to filter out 99% of the threads that are of no interest to me, and if I waste ten seconds opening and closing one that I missed...what's the big deal?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: GUEST,hg: or HARPGIRL for the opaques
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 08:14 PM

whatever...(as women mean it)...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: GUEST,hg or haggard or whatever!
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 08:18 PM

I'll just read when the limey bastids is asleep from now on. Forget I said anything...but remember, my grandpa was a blackburn lancashire native who became addicted to morphine fighting in World War I.

and catch up all you greenhorns


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Subject: RE: Tech: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 09 - 08:41 PM

Oh, THAT's who hg is... Hi, harpy.

Anyhow, as Susan/WYSIWYG said, we have always had the option of using whatever category we want to invent; and we have also had a policy of "restrained retitling of threads (to clarify confusing locations, topics, etc.)" by moderators. If a thread pertains strictly to the UK and it's not obvious, we often add (UK) or (US) or (whatever) to the thread title. If you think such a tag needs to be added to a thread title, let me or any moderator know.

In general, we like thread titles to be clear enough so that people know what's in a thread before they open it. There are some people that start threads with titles that are clever or cute, but not informative. We let those titles stay for a day or so, so they have their impact; and then we add something to make them more informative. When we edit titles, we try to preserve most of the original title, adding things to make the title more descriptive.

But yes, identifying specifically US and UK threads is a good idea, and we try to do it when we see a need for it. We also try to maintain a policy of noninvasive moderation, leaving things as close to what is originally posted as we can live with.

It's unlikely that we will add any thread categories to the dropdown list - it gets tooo restrictive. Better to create your own. If they work, then other people may adopt them.

Let me retitle this thread and see what you think of it. The referendum, of course, is nonbinding. Max Spiegel owns Mudcat, and is the final arbiter.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Referendum: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: The Villan
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 02:00 AM

Point taken Richard and yes for Vin Garbutt, you could do just Garbutt.

What about this one later in the Year as a better example of the Title not allowing sufficient characters.

WinterWilson+HisWorship&ThePig FaldingworthUK 141109

Les


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Subject: RE: Referendum: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Little Robyn
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 03:52 AM

If this is a referendum, I vote NO!
As Poppagator said:
"if we were to have one nation-specific category, we would really have to have several more as well (USA, CAN, IRL, EUR, AUS, NZ, etc.) Then, too, there'd be Scots and Welshmen ~ and English, too, in all likelihood ~ insistent upon their own categories idependent from the catch-all "UK."
Most of the announcements have nothing to do with this side of the world but I don't need a special prefix to tell me not to look at a thread. If it sounds interesting, I'll check it out - I just like to know.
And even the threads with stupid titles like "Looking for a song" - well, I usually have a look there too - it's a challenge!
Robyn in NZ


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Subject: RE: Referendum: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 03:53 AM

Yep.


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Subject: RE: Referendum: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: cptsnapper
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 06:31 AM

I wonder if it might be useful to have a seperate catagory for technical issues such as problems with computers & peripherals or even possibly amplification & instruments.


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Subject: RE: Referendum: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 06:58 AM

Erm...


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Subject: RE: Referendum: Make UK News a Separate Category
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Jan 09 - 08:15 AM

On the general subject of prefixes, perhaps people would be more likely to get in the habit if it was compulsory to select one.

'(none)' could be an option.


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