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Steve Gardham 12 Jan 09 - 02:42 PM
John MacKenzie 12 Jan 09 - 02:43 PM
Azizi 12 Jan 09 - 02:50 PM
Azizi 12 Jan 09 - 02:53 PM
Steve Gardham 12 Jan 09 - 03:06 PM
GUEST,Jon 12 Jan 09 - 03:34 PM
Azizi 12 Jan 09 - 03:58 PM
Gurney 12 Jan 09 - 11:20 PM
JohnInKansas 12 Jan 09 - 11:32 PM
katlaughing 12 Jan 09 - 11:41 PM
Bryn Pugh 13 Jan 09 - 07:19 AM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 13 Jan 09 - 07:22 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 13 Jan 09 - 07:27 AM
GUEST,Jon 13 Jan 09 - 07:59 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jan 09 - 08:18 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 13 Jan 09 - 08:19 AM
Bonnie Shaljean 13 Jan 09 - 08:21 AM
Jeri 13 Jan 09 - 08:41 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jan 09 - 08:41 AM
Jeri 13 Jan 09 - 08:46 AM
Sandra in Sydney 13 Jan 09 - 10:13 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Jan 09 - 10:28 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jan 09 - 11:27 AM
nutty 13 Jan 09 - 11:50 AM
katlaughing 13 Jan 09 - 11:52 AM
Richard Bridge 13 Jan 09 - 11:58 AM
John MacKenzie 13 Jan 09 - 12:22 PM
VirginiaTam 13 Jan 09 - 01:22 PM
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open mike 13 Jan 09 - 02:22 PM
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nutty 13 Jan 09 - 02:38 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Jan 09 - 03:00 PM
Steve Gardham 13 Jan 09 - 03:01 PM
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Subject: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 02:42 PM

Last couple of days I've had problems getting onto Mudcat. Seems okay now though. It has happened before. It doesn't affect connecting to other sites. Anyone else had this problem and any likely causes?


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 02:43 PM

It has been down for repairs Steve, it's the same for us all mate


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Azizi
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 02:50 PM

When you're not able to get Mudcat, The Annexe is a website you can go to in order to find out whether it's your Internet connection or if the website is "down". There's a thread there called "Is the Cat Down?"

As a matter of fact, The Annexe is a good place to post to when Mudcat is up as well as when it's down. But, it's a Mudcat members only forum.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Azizi
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 02:53 PM

What I meant by that is guests can not post on the Annexe. I'm not sure if guests can lurk on that forum or not.

But joining the Annexe is free and very easy to do for Mudcat members.

The Annexe has a slower pace than Mudcat, and {but} sometimes that's just what the doctor ordered.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 03:06 PM

Thanks, Azizi. I just looked at the dates of the last day's postings and thought I must be the only one. I'll make a note of this annexe.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 03:34 PM

Azizi,

All sections of the Annexe may be read by anyone.

The (separate) rules for creating a new topic and replying to a topic are set per forum. Currently, guests can create new topics and reply to new topics in the "Technical Support" forum. All other posting by guests is closed.

You can see what rules are set for a forum by clicking on the left hand link for the forum/section on the forum list page (http://www.jonbanjo.com/forum/forumlist.php)

Hope that helps.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Azizi
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 03:58 PM

Sorry for providing misinformation, Jon. I'm glad you corrected me.

Best wishes,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Gurney
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 11:20 PM

I get that problem, but I'm way out of the Mudcat timezone. I just assumed it was down. Nice to know I'm right.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 11:32 PM

If you refresh with the "3 days back" setting, you usually can see any significant break in the time of last post for the threads that come up - if you do it soon after a break. If you wait too long, threads that were "left behind" may have another post, and will be brought forward so that the break is somewhat obscured, or the break will perhaps look longer than it really was.

I found at least two fairly long "down times" over the weekend and today, and I believe Max said in one of the threads a few days ago that it would be necessary to have some interruption in order to update the search indexing. The cat has become large enough that he's been indexing "in pieces," and the "synch" between the parts was a bit mangled so he suggested that he'd shut down to do it all in one pass.

(But I haven't thought of a tough enough search to see if he's improved that particular feature.)

John


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 11:41 PM

aardvark


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:19 AM

Yerse, I had fun and games over the past couple of days, too.

I assumed that the 'Cat was right busy, but kept trying.

(Wondered whether I should consider changing me deodorant, but relieved to know that it weren't just me :-)


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:22 AM

"aardvark"???


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:27 AM

Jon has closed the Annexe down. You can still access the site (at least at the moment) though there's no longer any way of posting to it. He makes his own explanations in a couple of the threads at the top.

Rats!! But I wish him and Pip all the very best.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:59 AM

Just to make one thing clear. The Annexe has been Pip's operation, not mine for the last few years. I may not disagree with the decision but my authority (tech support) could not run to keeping it going or closing it.

Pip does still wish to keep contact with friends she made here and there. As, given in the notices, she can be emailed at pip@dulyn.co.uk. I think, she just wants a different, Facebook. Myspace, what, I don't know method for friends with some common interests. And I for one hope it works out well for her.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:18 AM

Well done those who precipitated this move.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:19 AM

So do I. You too - thanks to you both for everything, and the best of luck.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:21 AM

Woops, cross-post! My "so do I" was in reply to Jon in the message above.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:41 AM

It was only a matter of time before people used the Annexe as a place to vent what wouldn't be allowed on Mudcat. I stayed out of it. People of one particular viewpoint complaining is just venting. People arguing with them is... an argument, consisting of anything from fanning the banked coals of a grudge to flat-out flaming.

I'll be sorry if some other solution can't be reached. I'll miss reading about gardening or wildlife, finding new recipes or enjoying stunning photographs and poetry. I hope it comes back soon, with whatever is needed to prevent arguments and extended inanity from taking over. I haven't posted much except when Mudcat was down, but I enjoyed reading posts.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:41 AM

Yes Bonnie, and I echo your sentiments
JM


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:46 AM

What they said, as in THANKS to Pip and Jon for keeping it going for as long as you did.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 10:13 AM

Mudcat & The Annexe are my 2 homes. I look in on both several times daily, tho I don't post on either daily.

I couldn't understand the point of taking complaints about the policies on one person's site to another totally unrelated site. Just because Mudcat members are (were) permitted to be members of The Annexe did not mean that The Annexe's administrators had any input into, or even interest in the policies of Mudcat.

Thanks to Jon who started The Annexe & to Pip who continued it, for a lovely site.

Thanks also to Max & all who support him on this (unrelated) site.

sandra


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 10:28 AM

I find the closure of the Annexe both puzzling and worrying.

A forum is for expressing the interests of the contributors - which is exactly what the Annexe was starting to be used for - and that was because there were concerns, in my view perfectly proper ones, about this site that were not permitted to be expressed here.

The fact that it was the Mudcat Annexe automatically meant that the viewers of it were likely to be interested in matters about the Mudcat.

The puzzle is that I (now) see nothing there that looks to me as if it ought to have driven Jon's departure.

I would like to exprss myself more clearly, but that might be regarded as provocative.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 11:27 AM

Provocative; you?
Perish the thought


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 11:50 AM

Richard

The Annexe never was directly connected to Mudcat but was a facility made available due to the generosity of Jon and Pip.

Generosity which was unfortunately misused.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 11:52 AM

Jon and Pip, I agree with Jeri. I may not have posted a lot, but I read a lot of the Annexe and enjoyed it very much, as well as felt grateful for it. It is REALLY sad to think it will not be there any more, esp. if closing was caused by the continual spats of Mudcat.

All the best to you both and thanks for being there,

kat


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 11:58 AM

The only thing I see an immediate need to add to what I have said above is that I see nothing in the public parts of the residuary Annexe to justify an assertion of misuse.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 12:22 PM

Well Richard, I'll say it if nobody else will.
I think your thread criticising the way things are run in Mudcat, was a large contributory factor toweards the closing down of the Annexe.
I'm sure you don't want me to quote it verbatim on here.
The words, camel's back, and last straw spring to mind.

JM


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 01:22 PM

Sigh! Annexe was a lifeline when the Mudcat's been down. I shall now have to practice my instruments when I cannot access Mudcat.

Drat!

Actually I do feel that if there are issues and problems in Mudcat they should be discussed and dealt with in house. They should not leak over into other forums. For one thing it is not fair on the owners of external forums. For another it is not fair to the moderators of Mudcat as they are unaware and unable to defend themselves. I also believe the MC moderators do the best they can. It is not an enviable job.

I think what I found so useful at the Annexe is that we could find out the progress of Mudcat down time. For example, if Max had been contacted, whether he is doing some work on it, if the server had blown a gasket, etc. Now that potential update info will go away.

Annexe closing is especially bad news given Max's news about the potential of more down time while he fixes stuff, looks for a temporary host server and makes his move to new job.

We could all start using Facebook to keep in touch. But actually having access to discussions on a variety of topics, session information, etc. looks to be in short supply in the near future.

I call it another symptom of the recession.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 02:14 PM

You can't discuss and have dealt with what may not be discussed and what is not dealt with.

Damn! I'm starting to feel like the Shambles here.

The Annexe was the MUDCAT Annexe. That's why (I believe) it was called "the Annexe". It was about the Mudcat. Why not about the Mudcat's blind eye?


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 02:16 PM

Because Pip found Mudcat too robust at times. Go back, and read her post Richard.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: open mike
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 02:22 PM

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=10793388576
there is a mudcat group on facebook


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 02:31 PM

I started and had and have again read all of the posts on that thread with care, and without inflammatory langage.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 02:38 PM

Sorry Richard THE ANNEXE was the annexe to Jon's other site -

folkinfo

If it had been a Mudcat subsidiary there would have been more than one Mudcat thread on the site.

The Annexe was only used in order to pass on information when Mudcat was down.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 03:00 PM

I couldn't see anything the least aggravating about anything in that thread Richard started over on The Annexe.

I rather assumed that the decision to close down the forum was purely coincidental, because running it was getting a bit overdemanding or something of that sort.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 03:01 PM

So do we need clearer warnings when it's likely to go down and is it within the realms of possibility that an email could be sent to all members when it is down? Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 03:46 PM

I used to post a lot when the Annexe (and folkinfo) started. I haven't posted to eithre site for a good while but I still read them regularly and would be saddened if they disappeared.

If you can see a way Pip, keep the site going.

Ed


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 03:59 PM

Discussing it elsewhere wasn't going to change anything on Mudcat policy, Richard and it seemed to me 1) a rude taking advantage of Pip's site and 2) really rude to talk about Joe behind his back, so to speak.

open mike, thanks for the link. Does facebook allow you to keep your email private? Also, I hate it when a site wants your birthdate, but I may join anyway and just fake it.:-)


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 04:02 PM

The Annexe has been run supported financially by Pip (Jon's Mum) for her own enjoyment - not for the benefit of Mudcat members ... the mudcat connection is historical but not something that Pip has any great interest in.

I fully understand her reasons for pulling the plug and wish her much enjoyment from her next venture.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 04:03 PM

Thinking the Annexe was a Mudcat affiliation is an easy enough mistake. The invitation to visit the Annexe around Thanksgiving time when the MC was up and down like a yo yo, would give that impression.

I also got the impression from this post that Pip is just not up to looking after it at the moment. Nothing to do with recent postings.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 04:08 PM

McGrath, there is more to it than this in reasons for Pip deciding to close but given the Mudcat procedure is clearly laid down as:

1. Complain to Joe Offer
2. If the matter can not be resolved, complain to Max

I personally dislike the rewrite:

1. Complain to Joe Offer
2. Complain On The Annexe
3. Do anything other than attempt #2 of the Mudcat procedure.

I fail to see why anyone has trouble in seeing why the Annexe might not have liked the second version (and that's not to suggest I'm convinced we could have helped with procedue version #1).


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 05:41 PM

I'd missed Nutty's Date: 13 Jan 09 - 04:02 PM post. That is incredibly accurate!


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 06:54 PM

The history of the Annexe was that it was started as a place to discuss things that were problematic for people to discuss here in the Mudcat. I believe that the Folkinfo site came after. Here is the thread in which the beginning of the Annexe was discussed. Apparently the Annexe has undergone a big change from what it was at the start, but people who haven't been reading it regularly over the last few years might not be aware of that change...

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=37745#527536


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:22 PM

I have a totally different recall of how and why and when the Annexe started, and ya know what, who cares. It was what it was, and now it isn't. Rehashing a million different angles to no good end (it's all collateral damage by nature of the medium-- and now it's got VT sucked into its Hoovering maw) is just not a healthy way to waste time.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:23 PM

The beginning is explained in the thread I posted a link to above.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:25 PM

And like the whole thing-- all of life really-- that was just one of the viewpoints.

[shrug]

I wish everyone the best. It was a Time, and what a Time it was.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 07:39 PM

It was the viewpoint of the person who started the Annexe on the reason for starting the Annexe.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:03 PM

Carol ... that all happened 7 years ago and things changed considerably when Pip took over the financial management of the site.

See my post Date: 13 Jan 09 - 04:02 PM

We have heard from Jon that it was an accurate description of today's situation.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:04 PM

Yes. I understand that, as I said in my initial post.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 08:37 PM

I'm not sure how considerably is considerably but those who suggest there was a change are correct. Around the time of folkinfo starting, Pip took on the Annexe, a site I had intended at the time to drop

In some ways, I guess things may have seemed the same but in other ways, they were very different.

That should be apparent to all who saw the thread that's brought this on. I was technical support and technically I had the ability to close the thread at any time. technically, I even had the ability to ban Pip from posting to her own forum. Practically, of course it was Pip's place and I could not take such actions.

Again, I think Nutty understands (and although this may sound odd, perhaps better than I do - relationships between people not hidden knowledge).


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jan 09 - 09:26 PM

I would say that changing the motivation for having the site at all, as happened when she took ownership of the site, is a pretty enormous change. I was not aware of that change, myself.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:07 AM

Maybe there is a lot people are not aware of then Carol, though I don't believe anyone tried to mislead anyone.

Folikinfo started in part as the result of a row between Mudcat and myself.

Please do not missunderstand that statement. The main purpose of folkinfo was to attempt to provide more accurate song documentation, something I believe it does go something towards achieving. The attempt was to try to provide something else in a constructive way.

(anyone who doubts that might like to question why I loaned, free of charge, space for Joe to put Mudcat midis up via ftp from the time of the great Mudcat crash, I think until Nov 2008. The fact is that good working relationships in the common effort of making music available to others never broke, and I don't believe ever should break - the music we love is bigger than any of us)

The Annexe was more difficult and I didn't consider my previous position possible. Pip had made some very good friends over there though and part motivation there was wishing to maintain friendships. That was important to Pip.

To move on, While perfectly happy to have a group over during a mudcrashand keep the historical connection,, I don't think it unreasonable to suggest that she found say 5 coming over to say "Mudcat is down - I can't cope" in a sense, an invasion if people had no interest in her or other regulars there as people


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 02:56 PM

I didn't think there was any intention to mislead. In my case it was just a matter of not seeing the thread in the Mudcat that announced the change, and not reading the Annexe itself enough to be aware of the change there.

I can certainly understand her reasons for feeling invaded under the circmstances.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 04:13 PM

My apologies to Pip and Jon. I must admit I did go there when MC was wobbling in and out of my orbit. However I did enjoy reading there. Nice quiet pace.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:32 PM

I am simply glad FolkInfo is still there. It was sad that there had to BE a disagreement at all, but Jon has made something out of it, and has helped Mudcat for years in many ways.

(I still miss the song-swapping sessions in HearMe and being able to hear Jon...and others)


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 08:16 PM

Ah, Bill, the early Hearme days were good days. I don't know if you can relate to this but I'd suggest it was one of those times where we had a sort of innocence about us there. Not to suggest we might not have had our real world thoughts, etc. but somehow you could leave all that baggage behind you and just, yes swap the odd song or two.

One could maybe create a new room, etc. but it would be impossible for me to create such a venue. "I'll create on with no baggage" would in itself be carrying shed loads of baggage in before it even started!

This may be a little silly but I almost feel like bursting out into a song as I type.

Dont look so sad;
I know its over;
But life goes on and this old world will keep on turning.
Lets just be glad we had some time to spend together
Theres no need to watch the bridges that were burning.


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 08:33 PM

Jon, you are a gentle man, and I will miss the Annexe. I am sorry that certain parties had to contaminate it. It will be missed. You and Pip ran a fine forum.

Looking forward to sharing a jar and a song someday.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 08:43 PM

Nice song to burst into, Jon.... take care...


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 08:49 PM

Hey Bill(and maybe others) there was one short clip of me in the Annexe files trying to sing. here. Also a tune playing version of me here


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Subject: RE: Problem connecting to Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 10:02 PM

aww..nice. I like Napolean at St. Helena. I 'almost' know it myself, but always just sing along with folks. You would be easy to follow. singing, anyway...*smile*.. I can't play any instrument like that.

Good to hear your voice again... (hey...maybe I'll find a way to put some of my wife singing up somewhere...you always liked to hear her.)


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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:09 AM

Jon

Finally after years of typing to you I hear you voice! & there's not enough on the clip.

encore! encore!

sandra (who arrived long after Hearme went away)


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From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:45 AM

Wow-O-Wow! Night Owl is going to be so jealous that I got to Hear You, again, Jon! Those sound wonderful, just as I remember and loved! Thanks for the links and for your thoughtful song posting. It's beautiful and I think you are right, there was a newness/innocence among us then. I'd like to think we could all still meet in PalTalk or somewhere and still swap songs once in awhile, even though it would not be the same.


(I still miss the song-swapping sessions in HearMe and being able to hear Jon...and others)


Me, too, Bill, big time!:-)

Thanks , Jon and Pip, for the Annexe.

luvyakat


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:09 AM

That would be nice Bill. Amongst other things, she always made singing well sound so easy. Is my memory right in thinking she belonged to a singing group or choir?


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From: maeve
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:09 AM

Unfortunately I can't seem to get either clip; I'd like to hear them.

Onward and upward, Jon. Please let us know where new adventures take you all so we can cheer you on.

Warm regards,

maeve


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:17 AM

Just one other thought. Re. Bills Folkinfo comment.

That site is not connected to the Annexe closing but perhaps I should reassure others. The what would happen if I did a sort of runner, ceased to exist, the house caught fire, etc. was considered in the very early stages and I think we agreed the material (and most importantly, other peoples efforts), would always be available, eg. possibly, although a different format, the dt could make use of it.

The current situation is that another admin takes a weekly back up. On this sort of thing, I've done my best to ensure that whether it be a personal whim of mine or "an act of God" (I think that's the insurance term) the considerable efforts of others can not be wasted.


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:47 AM

This has taken an awful lot of persuading this morning (and I thought it would be impossible) but in view of some of the Hearme comments, I thought that maybe some would like to meet Pip in voice too.

I'm sorry there is too much of me on this (I recorded myself twice) but it is all I have: here


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From: Bill D
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:16 AM

too much? How can any happy singing be too much? *grin*

No...Rita is not in any group, Jon.... she has just been singing since childhood, and in the last 10 years or so has added 'traditional' American old style mountain music to everything else.
(we are just now getting decent recording stuff worked out, but have not really sat down and gotten organized.)


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From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:30 AM

thanks Jon for posting the link & MANY thanks to Pip for allowing her voice to be heard!

sandra


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:03 AM

Thanks for setting my faulty memory straight, Bill. I'm sure I right that she had a richness of voice and sounded just so easy/natural though.

If you do get something sorted and (although I hope you manage this too and get whole songs out somewhere , eg here - something I can't do, nerves, etc when thinking of a recorder on...) maybe at one point uneasy to put out to the "whole world" (which I'd spot here for exapmple), please do consider letting me have a private listen. jon@folkinfo.org would get a clip through to me.


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From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:29 AM

Yea, Pip! Thank you, Jon, for the clip of the two of you. It's wonderful to Hear You, Both! Thank you, Pip, for sharing your lovely voice!!

BillD, that is great news! I also would love to hear some clips and/or CD!


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