Discount CDs at gigs

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:58 AM

>>the man is a gentleman of the highest order, but be warned, cross him once and its your loss<<

Yes you blaggard. Off with your head. LOL :-)

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:51 AM

Yes stop making us all cringe at the repetitiveness of plugging CDs, if you are good enohg people will ask

I wish to withdraw a previous statement I made about Vill, it is I who owe he, the man is a gentleman of the highest order, but be warned, cross him once and its your loss.

What P M ?

and have you answered my questionaire yet Capn ?
If not , why not?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:10 AM

>>would we all have to watch aston villa play football as well .LOL <<

Hey what a great idea Dick LOL


Oh by the way Dick, most people could do a better job than the current Prime Minister LOL


The idea was spawned from your comments Dick :-)

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 07:54 AM

"CD's can be sold at Faldingworth Live by the the main guests, without a fee from the organiser. Support acts need to get agreement from the main guest before being allowed to sell their own CD's. In return we expect that the CD's are produced professionally and are sold at a realistic price such as £10 per CD. At the same time we do not expect the main guest to put undue pressure on the audience to buy such CD's"

I honestly think that the organiser can help considerably by setting out the policies that apply to the venue. It saves a performer getting in touch with an organiser, when it is clear that the policies are not in synch, with their requirements.

I do wish acts would just mention at the end of their first set and before the interval, that "CD's are available to purchase at £xx , if you so wish"
Then leave it at that. If people like your music and they can afford to buy a CD, they will. Don't try making them feel guilty. I don't like to lose my audience becuase they feel pressurised to buy CD's

Sometimes it is very cringing to have a performer going on all the time about the CD's.
Go ahead Villan,enjoy yourself,sounds like you might make a good prime minister .
would we all have to watch aston villa play football as well .LOL

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:32 PM

What are you on about Breezy?

I have sent a PM.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:15 PM

The one for the CD I sent you

and the rest of the gig money, that'll teach me to not have it counted out on my hand.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 02:07 PM

what cheque?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 01:54 PM

Thats a good point Vill about singers,- I'll avoid 'artiste' -pluggung their prescious CDs between every song.

If you remember, - though it was an age ago now - you asked me at the end of my gig at the F V H if I had any CDs.

if people are interested they will enquire anyway.

I'm still waiting for your check

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 01:34 PM

>>[ you could stop me selling cds in your venue],legally you cannot unless I have signed a document reliquinshing those rights.
<<

Thats excatly right Dick. It takes 2 to tango. I will sign your contract, if you sign mine. :-)

If I were to ban sales of Cd's, then only performers who agreed to that would be allowed to perform at my venue. So effectively I could stop you, becuase you wouldn't get to play at the venue.

As I have said already, I don't ban sale of CD's or ever have done and never would, unless the law of the land didn't allow it.

This is all very interesting :-)

I think I am going to build into my policies that

"CD's can be sold at Faldingworth Live by the the main guests, without a fee from the organiser. Support acts need to get agreement from the main guest before being allowed to sell their own CD's. In return we expect that the CD's are produced professionally and are sold at a realistic price such as £10 per CD. At the same time we do not expect the main guest to put undue pressure on the audience to buy such CD's"

I honestly think that the organiser can help considerably by setting out the policies that apply to the venue. It saves a performer getting in touch with an organiser, when it is clear that the policies are not in synch, with their requirements.

I do wish acts would just mention at the end of their first set and before the interval, that "CD's are available to purchase at £xx , if you so wish"
Then leave it at that. If people like your music and they can afford to buy a CD, they will. Don't try making them feel guilty. I don't like to lose my audience becuase they feel pressurised to buy CD's

Sometimes it is very cringing to have a performer going on all the time about the CD's.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 01:09 PM

this thread is most boring now, and the capn is sulking and refuses to answer my questions

he also does repeat himself

Does a parrot come to mind ?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 12:44 PM

I have never had an organiser ,trying to prevent cd sales.
but the fact remains that IN English Folk clubs,in my experience,cd sales do not enter into the contract,between a performer and organiser.
with respect Jed[youhave more experience in America than me],but IN England,I have probably more experience than you.
and as far as I am concerned the only contracts worth signing are Musicians Union contracts,[these do not mention cd sales]because in the event of a dispute ,I would have proper back up.
I certainly would not expect to turn up at a venue and be told on the night,by the organiser that I could not sell cds.
If I signed a contract relinquishing my rights to sell cds,I would expect a higher fee as compensation.
the Villan can say what he likes about him being the employer,but if he wishes to BOOK a performer it has to be agreed mutually.
Villan ,you have made certain statements,such as [ you could stop me selling cds in your venue],legally you cannot unless I have signed a document reliquinshing those rights.
of course this thread is just a BREEZY wind up.everey artist has aright to sell their cds for what they like regardless of what Breezy might think.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: GUEST,JedMarum
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 11:11 AM

So - Yes, I would definitely discuss with a venue any issues I found "abrasive" or troublesome in their contract.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: GUEST,JedMarum
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 11:09 AM

Yes, Les. I've never had a non-friendly relationship with a venue. I've one or two, over the years that made me "wipe the dust from my sandals" so to speak, and decide not to return ... but that is extremely rare.

Usually, when there's a bump in the road of contract issues, you discuss those issues and sort out an reasonable answer. For CD sales, since that is what we've been discussing - if I did have a venue that really wanted me to perform and they had a NO SALES policy for some good reason, I would play the event if they were willing to adjust my fee accordingly.

I find that my best interest and the best interest of the venue pretty typically the same. We both need to "win" if the evening is to be successful. If I am profitable and they are not, I cannot feel the evening was a success - if only for the self-interest reason that I know that venue won't continue to operate if they don't meet the financial needs. Now, some venues are OK with a level of loss at each show - but most know exactly what they need to cover an operational and, hopefully a growth model. They know their goals, their needs and their audience. That is why I am most inclined to follow their lead - assuming they offer an attractive package.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:49 AM

>>But if there came a time when I saw contract stipulations I could not abide by,I would not sign it.
<<

Jed

I assume you would get back to the organiser and discuss the issue. If it couldn't be resolved and nobody would give way, then the contract wouldn't be signed by either party. You would go on your way and find other venues. There should be no hard feelings on either side. That's business.

Les

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: JedMarum
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:57 AM

Captain Birdseye - I am not misinformed. I've made my living at performing for the last decade. I play at least 150 year. A significant percentage of those shows are under formal contract, and every one of those shows has at least a letter/email between me and the venue, that details our agreement about the event. I am not Musician's Union member.

Most of the contracts I am offered by the venue and ALL of the contracts that I present to the venue stipulate that I have the right to sell CDs at the concert - if there is an agreed to arrangement for the venue to sell, and/or an agreement for a percentage of sales to be paid to the venue, that is detailed in the contract.

And if there is an agreement signed with NO stipulation as to the sale of CDs, I agree that a performer might feel he or she had the right to sell them - I simply said above that I would choose to abide by the venue's request not to, because I am a "guest in their house" - so to speak. I would simply not return.

AND by the way - all of this is a "tempest in a tea cup" - I have never had a concert venue ask me NOT to sell CDs. My whole point in this conversation is to say they have the right to stipulate that in the contract. I'd probably not sign such a contract, but it's their venue.

There are times where it's inappropriate for me, as an artist to sell CDs. Some of the obvious ones; I cannot sell directly from TV or radios shows (even though I can encourage sales from iTunes or other online sources), I've played some weddings and funerals - I've played memorial and various public services. I've played for classes at universities. I've been hired for big fundraising concert events, some of which allowed me to sell and some did not specify. I chose NOT to sell, but gave them CDs to sell for their fund raising.

The whole issue of CD sales comes down to what is agreeable between the venue and the artist. I have always taken the lead of the venue and I have never been disappointed. But if there came a time when I saw contract stipulations I could not abide by,I would not sign it.

Good fences make good neighbors.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:00 AM

so Capn you are offered a gig, lets say locally, less than an hour or twos travel time, ends at 10.00p.m. you can be home in bed by 1.00

the fee is anything between £100 and £n

but the punters are not allowed to buy your CD

You are not to advertise their existence.

You refuse the gig

You accept the gig


No shit , answer yes or No or your responx se is invalid




Dear Anahata, I hope all the artiste gave the stallholder a freebie in Wadebridge.....

But I could swear I saw you carrying a CD case as you crossed the Platt

Wish it would stop raining then I could go out and play and give everyone some peace and quiet

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:38 AM

You might have a point there Tom.

So basically are venues allowed to sell CD's etc on a commercial basis. If you have a PEL and are covered for PRS, are you allowed or anybody else to commercially sell propducts to the audience?

There must be somebody out there who can tell us if it is legal.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:32 AM

I don't have to Dick.

As I said, I don't stop sale of CD's, I encourage it. You will find that bookings at Faldingworth are done correctly with suitable fees and B&B if required and a meal for thsoe that have to travel a long distance. We try to look after the performer as much as possible.

Lets just get back to the question in hand.

I feel that if an artist wants to discount, then it is up to them, not anybody else.

Les

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:12 AM

The impression rightly or wrongly from you, was that you have devine rights.[quote villan]
I do have legal rights to sell my cds ,unless I have relinquished those rights in a signed contract with you.
no contract I have ever signed mentions the sale of cds,those contracts deal with fee, plus accomodation.
I dont know where you get the word devine from,but I have legal rights to sell cds,unless I have specifically relinquished those rights.
you said [and we are not talking about imagined impressions here]Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Villan - PM
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:00 PM

Well actaully an organsier can ban the sale of CD's if they so wished. We don't of course ,From: The Villan - PM
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:37 PM

>>no they cant,unless it has been previously agreed between the organiser and the artist,in a written contract.
<<

I could stop a performer selling CD's if I so wished.

You fail to understand, that when you play at a venue, it is the organiser who is in charge. you are being paid to perform. You are employed by them.

As it is, I go out of my way to help performers maximise their profits to my venue. I sometimes pay more than I have agreed to performers becuase I believe they deserve it. That is my decision.

If you don't like my rules, you don't get employed.[end of quote]
That does not sound like mutual consent.
LES,Before you make statements which could be misconstrued to be intimidating,check your legal situatuion.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: GUEST,Tom
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:42 AM

Yes. Might there be legal technicalities which are routinely overlooked?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:24 AM

>>Might there be a technical issue with planning or licensing laws? Does anyone know? <<

By that Tom, do you mean the sale of Cd's or soemthing like that?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:20 AM

>>it has to be done by mutual consent<<

Exactly.

Thats the point I have been trying to get over to you in various ways.

The whole thing is mutual consent. If I don't like your terms and you don't like mine, we don't do a deal.

The impression rightly or wrongly from you, was that you have devine rights.

I was disagreeing with you on that.

You have your requirements and if they match mine, then fine, I will try and book you.

I am all for performers selling Cd's

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:57 AM

Actually, does the landlord have any legal right to a say? Might there be a technical issue with planning or licensing laws? Does anyone know?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:54 AM

yes, I do have a right,to sell my cds,unless I have come to an agreement otherwise.
you organise a club,and you negotiate a fee for the artist to play the club,I would not sign a contractwith an organiser that prevened me from selling cds[in fact you would have to sign an m u contract,before I played your particular club,these contracts do not mention cd sales.therefore legally you cant stop me from selling my cds].
If an organiser does not allow sales of Cd's, then they need to make sure it is clearly understood before both sign the contract.[quote]
exactly what I am saying ,and have said in previous posts.
Villan,legally, you cant dictate to a performer in your club,that he cant sell his cds,you have to have the performers agreement,most performers would not accept that they cant sell cds,or if they accepted it would increase their fee to compensate for potential loss of cd revenue.
you may be an employer,but you cannot dictate terms to performers,it has to be done by mutual consent.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: treewind
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:43 AM

I've never seen it at a folk club, but Sidmouth festival used to discourage artists from selling CDs direct. They wanted you to go though the main music stallholders (who pay the festival for the privilege, of course, and take a cut on the sales). It didn't stop some prominent artists from setting up shop at their concert spots regardless, and you can't turn away empty handed someone who comes up to you asking for a CD so we always carry a handful with us in instrument cases.

Contrast with Wadebridge, where someone set up a stall selling CDs at no profit at all - it was considered a service to artists provided by the festival.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:34 AM

Dick

I have never stopped any performer from selling CD's, but please don't make the assumption that you have the right.

If an organiser does not allow sales of Cd's, then they need to make sure it is clearly understood before both sign the contract.

A performer has the right to refuse such an agreement and would then probably not do the gig.

I have turned quite a few performers down, for one reason or another, which is normal (but never sale of CD's). Either the amount they want is too much for me to pay and we can't reach agreement or there is an expected minimum capacity required e.g. 200, when we only have 100 max.

Generally the fee is the first thing I want to know. That way we can stop at that point, if I can't match or even do better.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 07:19 PM

If you don't like my rules, you don't get employed.[villan quote]
NO if you want to book an artist,you have to come to an agreement, you pay their fee,and anything else they require as stated in the contract,if they want to stay in a two star hotel [or want to sell cds at your venue] or certain kind of chairs,or whatever,this has been known[was it Maccoll and Seeger?] ,if you want them, you accept their stipulations,or they dont play your venue.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 07:09 PM

jed,no,all the contracts I have ever used,and that includes musicians union contracts did not say anything about cd sales.
if an organiser tried to stipulate that I couldnt sell cds I wouldnt do the gig.
you are misinformed .
[BUT even if there were no rules established in the contract with respect to CD sales - the venue is the host. Their wishes should be respected by the visiting performer]quote jed marum.
this is absolute nonsense,legally if cds are not mentioned in a contract,an organiser,can not stop a performer from selling his/ her cds,furthermore it would be extremely bad manners for an organiser,to try and prevent an artist selling cds,without having discussed the matter when the gig was arranged,or without a contract being signed by both parties.
JED check out musicians union contracts,they even stipulate that there should be a safe supply of electricty,but they dont mention[or didnt when I last used one],mention cd sales.
if performers use MU contracts,they THEN have the backing of the M U

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: JedMarum
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 06:44 PM

The Villan is right on. IF there is a contract that contract will almost always set the rules about CD sales - and if a venues says no CD sales (I can't imagine why any would say that) then there are no CD sales.

Actually I have always found venues to be accommodating with respect to CD sales. They realize it is an important part of a performer's income and normally want to be helpful in that regard.

BUT even if there were no rules established in the contract with respect to CD sales - the venue is the host. Their wishes should be respected by the visiting performer.

If any of these issues are not pleasing to both parties - they won't do business again. There is never a need to get into pissing contests over such things.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:47 PM

I appreciate your contribution Cap'n

I do however know only too well that the artist needs to pull in the audience or they won't get booked again. I have followed the career of the relatively young duo Norcsalordie with an extremely strong and very personal interest and through this I am vividly aware that no matter how proficient you are or even how well you go down, if the crowd is not there in the numbers that makes it economical you can kiss goodbye to the rebooking

I have seen packed houses and I have seen pubs where the duo threatened to outnumber the audience. As a supporter of Norcsalordie I have contacted what's on websites and radio etc to promote gigs being held in pubs. I hope to create awareness and to persuade people to listen and to turn up for gigs and to publicise their activities

Did you know that Norcsalordie are appearing at Folkmob in Eltham as a support act for Martin Carthy on March 25th? tickets available from [e-mail]

After three years of trying to get noticed and living every moment of an up and coming band I know only too well the need to bums on seats and to provide value for money - hence the bit of advertising above which I hope will work to the benefit of the club they are playing in

but as you say - it still has nothing to do with the price of their CDs

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:37 PM

>>no they cant,unless it has been previously agreed between the organiser and the artist,in a written contract.
<<

I could stop a performer selling CD's if I so wished.

You fail to understand, that when you play at a venue, it is the organiser who is in charge. you are being paid to perform. You are employed by them.

As it is, I go out of my way to help performers maximise their profits to my venue. I sometimes pay more than I have agreed to performers becuase I believe they deserve it. That is my decision.

If you don't like my rules, you don't get employed.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:27 PM

Well put Anahata

The price charged is usually the going price in the environment of the sale - Full price CDs in a high street at £15, online at £8 but neither of these outlets are available to most grass roots artists

The going price in a pub/folk club seems to be £10 + or -

to discount from the going rate would seem strange

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:26 PM

Well actaully an organiser can ban the sale of CD's if they so wished. We don't of course.
no they cant,unless it has been previously agreed between the organiser and the artist,in a written contract.
Raffles Bear,is right,the money does go to the organiser.
the organiser ,then pays the artist ,now depending on the contract,they may or may not have agreed 80 percent against the door takings,whichever is the greater,or the artist may be working for a flat fee . I have done both.
what Rafflesbear has not thought about,is that if the artist doesnt draw a big crowd ,he will not get booked again because the organiser has lost money,so it does matter to the artist that he consistently pulls a good crowd .[unless its a club that is subsidised in other ways] three singers nights to every guest night etc.
raffles is right the sale of cds is irrelevant to the performers contract.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: treewind
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:18 PM

I think the point often is: discount compared with what?
If an artist pays the full cost up front for making a CD and effectively owns his own record label, the "normal" or "usual" sale price is by definition whatever he sells them for at gigs, as that's almost the whole sales channel.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:00 PM

Well actaully an organsier can ban the sale of CD's if they so wished. We don't of course.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:58 PM

club = organiser = club

I am not suggesting that anyone makes personal profit and absolutely not that organisers are in it for money. Only that the club and the organiser are not the same as the musician

the sums and equations are done out of sight of the audience and a financial arrangement is reached which will hopefully suit both but that is nothing to do with whether the musician owes it to you personally to reduce the price of his CDs because you thought it was worth paying the entry fee to see him/her

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:56 PM

Actually Anahata, they pay it in time and effort :-)

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: treewind
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:49 PM

"I stick by what I wrote and this is why"
You are still wrong. Even if there is a surplus at the end of the evening, the money goes into the club's funds, not the organiser's pocket.

Many club organisers *PAY* their own entrance fee. Into the club funds, from their own pocket.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:45 PM

Sorry Breezy, let's keep it cool but I think you are in danger of contradicting yourself here

In the context of this thread - should the musician give you a discount on their CD because you have paid to get in?

What I am saying is that when you pay your entry fee you are paying it to the organiser and YES the organiser has to get his/her money back because they have the expenses of running a club, hiring premises, paying for publicity and I don't know what else - but whether I go or not makes no difference (on the night) to the musician, and YES I hope that the organiser gets his/her money back because if they don't they will go out of 'business'

The organiser has to look after his/her finances and the musician has to look after his/her finances. If they are confident of selling CDs then they can probably keep their fees down

I ask what level you are describing because myself I am talking about musicians working hard and scraping a living out of it - what happens in the exalted world of the rich and famous is outside my experience and knowlrdge

It is context - should the musician offer a discount on CDs

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:41 PM

What a plonker

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:31 PM

you are just not on the same planet as Folk club 'organisers' are you?

The fee comes from the door take

a % is the bonus of over above the door take

there are expenses for running a club but then you dont know that do you

according to you the fee appears from thin air, which is where you are

Go forth and organise

or just go mutliply and forth

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:25 PM

PS - Breezy - I've not heard of musicians taking a % of overs - at what level are we talking here?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 04:21 PM

I stick by what I wrote and this is why

If the musician negotiates a fee of lets say £150 purely for argument sake and I don't turn up - then the musician receives £150

If I do turn up with two of my mates at £8 a head then between us we pay £24. Does that £24 go to the musician? No - it goes to the organiser and the musician receives £150

What I pay goes to the organiser not to the musician

The musician gets his fee from the organiser and there is nothing wrong with that. - unless of course you operate a system where the musician gets the gate takings and you get your money from the bar?

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 03:51 PM

I will second Villan on that

You the artiste have agreed your fee, now the organiser sweats until the fee is collected on the door and if not , which happens frequently, the organiser puts his hand in his own pocket.

often the artiste demands a % of any surplus, nice one, makes it harder to build up 'kitty' but too often they outprice themselves by being greedy

Only Andy Irvine was considerate to ask if we had taken enough to cover his fee.



rafflesbear, you are wrong or maybe just ignorant of what really goes on



J B, organiser Winwdward/Spotlight 5 years experience

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rasener
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 02:54 PM

>>Your £10 or even £8 goes to the organiser not the musicians.
<<
Rafflesbear that is an absolute load of b*ll*cks.

The money collected at the door pays the musicians and covers the cost of putting the event on.

I as an organiser have never taken a penny for all my efforts and I find your comments offensive.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 12:31 PM

I like the American system of giving tips,so if people have enjoyed the night,and ther wish they can give extra money.
this frequently happens tome when I play in Irish pubs,it would be great if it happened in English folk clubs.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: JedMarum
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 12:12 PM

ooops!

I mean anonymous!

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: JedMarum
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 12:11 PM

I am certain the sale of CDs is not just an issue of cost. I think most CD buyers already have too many CDs.

I play concerts and sell CDs at full price typically ($15), but offer a discount to encourage purchase of multiples ... and that seems to work. I play festivals and often offer the same deal.

When I play pubs - I usually sell CDs at full price. The audience at pubs is less likely to buy many CDs. BUT at pubs people fill the tip jar. It strikes me that every night at pubs, someone or two or three people will throw a $20 in the tip jar. If they'd have taken a CD, I'd have had to give them change!! To me that says, they really appreciate the music, they want to express their appreciation (and it is almost alway anonomous) BUT they don't care to bring home a CD!

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: Rafflesbear
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 10:55 AM

"If i pay £10 admission , or even £8 should not the artiste ask a more inviting price for their CDs e.g £5 as they will already be getting a fee?"

No

Your £10 or even £8 goes to the organiser not the musicians.
Turn it round - If I buy a CD at £10 from the band, shouldn't the organiser give me a discount on my entry fee? - Let me know when you are going to try it, I'd like to be there

WYSIWYG - are you saying that you pirate cd's and justify it by suggesting you are helping the musicians? Might be better to take your friends along to the gig.

Subject: RE: Discount CDs at gigs
From: breezy
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:26 PM

since when are people from R S A sensitive ! [ joke]

pop corn, chewing gum, peanuts ,bubblegum, ice cream, candy floss and eskimo pie, ag deddy how we miss


perhaps your singing just improved C K