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Subject: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: pavane
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 06:02 AM

From "The school of abuse 1579"

Sermon by John Stockwood, Schoolmaster, 24th August 1578. Presumably a Puritan!

There be not many places where ye word is preached besides the Lords day (I woulde to God there were) yet euen on that day the better parte of it is horriblie prophaned by diuellishe inuentions as with Lords of Misrule, Morice dauncers, Maygames, insomuch that in some places, they shame not in ye time of diuine service, to come and daunce aboute the Church, and without to have men naked dauncing in nettes, which is most filthie

see here:
School of Abuse


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: pavane
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 06:03 AM

Well, it doesn't actually SAY they were Morris dancers, I suppose.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:00 AM

SKIPY ??? Have a look at this mate !!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Megan L
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:05 AM

Liz think of all the costumes you wouldnt have to make :)


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:33 AM

Think of all those jokes about morris sticks and where to put the bells!!!

LTS


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: bfdk
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 07:39 AM

Bells and whistles?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 08:46 AM

When I was an active Morriser, certain ribald comments were made about certain Border stick dances, and the relative positioning of said sticks.

This might add a new dimension to 'tool setting' . . .

[I'll get my Barbour :-) ]


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: pavane
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 09:06 AM

Probably the Brimfield dance? Caught napping.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 09:33 AM

I read it as "naked morris dancing in 15/8", which is an even weirder image.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: davyr
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 09:55 AM

"dauncing in nettes" - Would that be fish-nets, I wonder? I recall seeing a limerick somewhere that went:

A Morris team from Bath & Wells
Caused scenes outside pubs and hotels
By dancing alfresco a lively morisco
Wearing only their hats and their bells!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Megan L
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 02:46 PM

It could have been worse :) perhaps the reverend gentleman misspelled nettles. OUCH


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: greg stephens
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 03:16 PM

You can see a wood carving of this very activity in Lancaster Priory church. I dont know if there are any images of this available on the internet.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 04:03 PM

Was it something they were putting in the water in those days? They sure were into Abuse. Five years later, and still flaming away (and people say Mudcatters are bad for it):

"Then every one of these men he investeth with his liveries of green, yellow or some other light wanton colour. And as though that were not gaudy enough, they bedecke them-selves with scarffes, ribbons, and laces, hanged all over with gold rings, precious stones and other jewels; this done, they tie about either leg twenty or forty bells, with rich handkerchiefs in their hands, and sometimes laid across over their shoulders and necks, borrowed for the most part of their pretty Mopsies and loving Bessies... Thus, all things set in order, have they their hobby-horses, dragons & other antics, together with their bawdy pipers and thundering drummers, to strike up the devil's dance withal; then march these heathen company towards the church and church-yard, their pipers piping, their drummers thundering, their stumps dancing, their bells jingling, their handkerchiefs swinging about their heads like madmen, their hobby-horses and other monsters skirmishing amongst the throng... like devils incarnate... and so besotted are some, that they will not only give them money to maintain their abominations withal, but also wear their badges and cognizances in their hats and caps openly."

Philip Stubbes, Anatomie of Abuses, 1583


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 09:01 PM

In the Easter week of [1282] (March 29-April 5), a parish priest of Inverkeithing, named John, performed the rites of Priapus, by collecting the young girls of the town, and making them dance round the figure of this god; without any regard for the sex of these worshippers, he carried a wooden image of the male members of generation before them in the dance, and himself dancing with them, he accompanied their songs with movements in accordance, and urged them to licentious actions by his no less licentious language. The more modest part of those who were present felt scandalized with the priest, but he treated their words with contempt, and only gave utterance to coarser obscenities. He was cited before his bishop, defended himself upon the common usage of the country, and was allowed to retain his benefice; but he must have been rather a worldly priest, after the style of the middle ages, for a year afterwards he was killed in a vulgar brawl.

- ultimate source for that, the Chronicle of Lanercost


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 09:02 PM

'dancing in nettes....?'

is that like net stockings?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Jan 09 - 11:24 PM

I bet the nets were used similarly to blankets, as when people where tossed in a blanket. Here's an image, much more recent, of a playful activity which has been going on for centuries.


tossed in a blanket

I bet the men weren't completely naked. I bet they were just shirtless. If called on it, John Stockwood, Schoolmaster, would shrug and say, 'Well, yeah, I meant half-naked. So it's a typo.'


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: GUEST,George Henderson
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 03:33 AM

Netty is a word used in north east England for toilet!!!


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: LesB
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 04:57 AM

It is still being practised in the Rapper community, (especially by North British).North British Woad Dance
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: ThreeSheds
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:03 AM

How did they manage without fpellcheck?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: TenorTwo
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:27 AM

The problem with naked Morris Dancing is the same as with all other varieties: not everything stops when the music does.

T2


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: pavane
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:11 AM

They hadn't even invented ſpelling then.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:48 AM

Sorry to disappoint you on the nets: try this from Diane Easby near the start of the Blacking Up thread:

My grandfather's [morris] side also wore beekeeping veils to dance (a tradition recently revived by the Flag & Bone Gang) which would also have served as a disguise when they were out begging at this time of year when there was little work on the land.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:56 AM

Oh dear, North British missed an opportunity there didn't they... they could have called it the Great North Woad...




























I'll get me bell pads.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: LesB
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:08 PM

"I'll get me bell pads."

Where would you attach them ?
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: GUEST,Smokey
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:12 PM

They were probably after a no-bell prize.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:33 PM

The only dancers I can think of who dance in nets are ballet dancers in tutus - the mind boggles to think of these as Morris (cross-?) dress!
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Big Mick
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:56 PM

I am not sure I will ever get this image out of my brain...... AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH. Is that Giok MacKenzie with his back to us playing the accordion?

I hate Google images.

I'll get me aul cap and wellies and see myself out...

Mick


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:59 PM

Funny, I thought we had agreed that Morris dancing was not ancient.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Megan L
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:00 PM

Nah definately no Giok its no saggy enough.

*heads for the door and another country as fast as possible.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Big Mick
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:01 PM

LOL. I am no authority on Morris, Richard. I just googled it.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Tootler
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 03:37 PM

Morris dancing in netties!!!!

The mind boggles

Did he have a lifp by any chance?

"...and therefore amongeft Chriftians I hope fuche beaftly brutifhneffe fhal not be let efcape vnpunifhed for whiche ende I recite it and can tell if I be called where it was committed within thefe fewe weekes. What fhould I fpeake of beaftlye Playes againfte which out of this place euery man crieth out..."

Powerful stuff.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:28 PM

Does woad dancing lead to getting the blues?

Art


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: skipy
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:39 PM

Naked morris dance is alive & well! I have done it many times & will (hopefully) do many more! NOT a pretty site, I grant you, but it is my controbution to your folk world. I don't do anything else worthwhile in the folk world.
Skipy, founder "member" of "scrotems to the wind morris"


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:22 PM

So that'll make you a "ring" side then Skipy?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 04:24 PM

Skipy - what is this rubbish about "don't do anything else worthwhile in the folk world"? You and Kate run a brilliant festival in August, and we'll be there!

Kitty and Derek


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Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 06:32 PM

Sounds like what goes around, comes around! With that time signature it could be a very interesting scene!

Sal


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