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I see 'The Gaugers' got it right!

Ptarmigan 15 Jan 09 - 12:55 PM
folkypaul 15 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 15 Jan 09 - 02:30 PM
Ptarmigan 17 Jan 09 - 04:41 AM
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Subject: Hartlepool ... think again!
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 12:55 PM

Gaugers Song ~ The Boddamers Hinged The Monkey

I was listenening to that wonderful group The Gaugers the other day, & their CD

Awa wi the Rovin Sailor

On this CD there is the song ~ The Boddamers Hinged The Monkey & of course as you all know, Boddam is a small coastal village, just south of Peterhead.


Anyway, songs like this one are apparently sung in other coastal villages further south too.
In fact it's a pretty widespread tale, a ship was wrecked off the village sometime around the Napoleonic Wars, and the locals hanged a monkey because they thought it was a Frenchman.

"Folklore says a French ship was wrecked off Hartlepool in the Napoleonic Wars.
A monkey found in the water was hanged by fishermen fearing it was a spy.
The "monkey-hangers" legend was adopted by the town's football club, whose mascot was elected mayor in 2002."

However, although Hartlepool & the local Football team claim this story, a new study claims that it actually took place in Aberdeenshire after all:

"An Aberdeen University study claims the tale originated in Scotland.

........ Fiona-Jane Brown, a folklorist at Aberdeen University's Elphinstone Institute, suggests the Hartlepool legend stems from a similar incident off the village of Boddam, near Peterhead, in 1772.

The villagers could only claim salvage rights if there were no survivors from the wreck, so they allegedly hanged the monkey."

Study queries monkey legend roots

So it looks like the Gaugers got it right after all. :-)

Hartlepool ... you may think again!


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Subject: RE: I see 'The Gaugers' got it right!
From: folkypaul
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM

Having lived in Hartlepool i wouldn't like to argue this with the locals.


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Subject: RE: I see 'The Gaugers' got it right!
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:30 PM

See these threads and the links in them, where that has been considerable discussion of The Hartlepool Monkey in particular and the Boddam Monkey also: Folklore: Is this story true? - Hartlepool Monkey and Lyr Req: Hartleypool Monkey / Hartlepool Monkey


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Subject: RE: I see 'The Gaugers' got it right!
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:41 AM

Thanks for those links Mick.

You might be interested to know that, on another forum, Fiona-Jane, the author of the recent Aberdeen University study, goes on to say this:

" ... as the author of the research thought I would also mention a few other things that clinch the monkey song as originating in Boddam rather than Hartlepool;

1. The Boddam monkey was hanged because the people wanted to salvage from the wreck of the ship - in Scots Law you could only do that if there were no living souls left aboard!

2. David Ferguson's book: Shipwrecks of NE Scotland where I got the 1772 reference, also says there were loads of examples of wrecking and illegal salvaging in the area

3. Boddam got a lighthouse in 1825 - before that date wrecking would have been an easier job, predating Ned Corvan's music hall version of 'The Hartlepool Monkey' which was composed in 1854

4. The tune mostly used by folk in the North East is William Watt's 'The Tinkers' Waddin', which was possibly published around 1835, again before Corvan wrote his words, and borrowed the tune. BUT Watt was inspired by the earlier tune and song 'The Blythsome Bridal' attr Francis Sempill c. mid 1600s - the tune was known as a 'Scotch Tune' even before that by broadside balladiers.

5. The Hartlepool monkey song borrows the line (which Ptarmigan didn't print but is known) about the monkey biting off the fisherman's nose

6. Ned Corvan was inspired by the Baboon song, based on an urban legend in County Durham where the pet baboon of a group of Russian Cossacks apparently stationed in Hartlepool during the Napoleonic Wars that was dressed up in a uniform and ran amok, the ignorant folk thought he was a Jew, a spy, a black man etc. Corvan wanted to exploit the rivalry between Old Hartlepool (Seaton Carew area) and West Hartlepool, founded in 1830s - the latter being the new industrial district, so made up the monkey song based on the Boddam one and the Baboon song.

Corvan STOLE it fae us!! ;-)

The Boddamers are quite happy to leave it to the Poolies, as they HATE the song even to this day!"


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Subject: RE: I see 'The Gaugers' got it right!
From: Ptarmigan
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 10:56 AM

Thought you might like to see the lyrics of this song.


Eence a ship sailed roond the coast
An' a' the men in her were lost
Barran' a monkey up a post
An' the Boddamers hinged the monkey-o!

A Boddamer up to the Monkey goes,
Says tak him awa' an' awa' he goes,
But the Monkey jumped up an' he bit off his nose,
An' the Boddamers hinged the monkey-o!

Noo the funeral was a grand affair
A' the Boddam folk were there
It mind't ye on the Glesga Fair
Fin the Boddamers hinged the monkey-o!

Noo a' the folk fae Peterheid
Cam' oot expecting t' get a feed
So they made it int' potted heid
Fin the Boddamers hinged the monkey-o!


Durra ma doo, ma doo-a-day
Durra ma doo ma daddy-o
Durra ma doo, ma doo-a-day
The Boddamers hinged the monkey, o!

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