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From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009

Max 20 Jan 09 - 05:54 PM
Cllr 20 Jan 09 - 05:56 PM
maeve 20 Jan 09 - 06:02 PM
John on the Sunset Coast 20 Jan 09 - 06:03 PM
Max 20 Jan 09 - 06:04 PM
Sorcha 20 Jan 09 - 06:05 PM
GUEST,Richard Bridge 20 Jan 09 - 06:07 PM
Janie 20 Jan 09 - 06:11 PM
Sorcha 20 Jan 09 - 06:14 PM
Sorcha 20 Jan 09 - 06:17 PM
Bill D 20 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM
Sorcha 20 Jan 09 - 06:24 PM
Sorcha 20 Jan 09 - 06:25 PM
Dave Swan 20 Jan 09 - 06:25 PM
Bill D 20 Jan 09 - 06:26 PM
GUEST,AC 20 Jan 09 - 06:27 PM
Sorcha 20 Jan 09 - 06:28 PM
s&r 20 Jan 09 - 06:29 PM
Bill D 20 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM
ClaireBear 20 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM
Liz the Squeak 20 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM
Sorcha 20 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM
katlaughing 20 Jan 09 - 06:39 PM
artbrooks 20 Jan 09 - 07:08 PM
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SINSULL 20 Jan 09 - 07:24 PM
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kendall 20 Jan 09 - 07:33 PM
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kendall 20 Jan 09 - 07:41 PM
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Amos 20 Jan 09 - 07:54 PM
kendall 20 Jan 09 - 08:05 PM
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open mike 21 Jan 09 - 02:37 AM
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Max 21 Jan 09 - 08:43 PM
SINSULL 21 Jan 09 - 08:50 PM
Big Mick 21 Jan 09 - 09:33 PM
Acme 21 Jan 09 - 09:35 PM
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gnu 22 Jan 09 - 10:55 AM
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Banjiman 23 Jan 09 - 06:41 AM
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gnu 23 Jan 09 - 10:48 AM
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Megan L 23 Jan 09 - 01:11 PM
Beer 23 Jan 09 - 01:40 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 23 Jan 09 - 01:54 PM
katlaughing 23 Jan 09 - 02:09 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 23 Jan 09 - 02:14 PM
Big Mick 23 Jan 09 - 02:16 PM
Max 23 Jan 09 - 05:36 PM
katlaughing 23 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM
ranger1 23 Jan 09 - 08:03 PM
Sorcha 23 Jan 09 - 09:04 PM
Bonnie Shaljean 23 Jan 09 - 09:12 PM
katlaughing 24 Jan 09 - 12:37 AM
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katlaughing 24 Jan 09 - 02:55 PM
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Max 25 Jan 09 - 08:37 AM
Megan L 25 Jan 09 - 08:40 AM
Max 25 Jan 09 - 08:48 AM
John MacKenzie 25 Jan 09 - 09:03 AM
Jeri 25 Jan 09 - 09:09 AM
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Beer 25 Jan 09 - 09:34 AM
Jeri 25 Jan 09 - 09:36 AM
Max 25 Jan 09 - 09:58 AM
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Jeri 25 Jan 09 - 10:25 AM
Max 25 Jan 09 - 10:29 AM
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Megan L 26 Jan 09 - 05:01 AM
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Max 26 Jan 09 - 09:23 AM
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Subject: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 05:54 PM

Hi all. A solid 89 hours of uptime. Looks like something went right. Also, I think the supersearch is working and is no longer missing certain periods of time (though I'm not positive about that).

So, down to business. As I mentioned before, I need to outsource the hosting of mudcat for the next several months due to my move. In researching my options, I have come to consider outsourcing mudcat for good (I can hear some of you saying "It's about time!"). I found a nice reputable host that assures me they can handle the load and quirks of the mudcat. This particular host offers deep discounts for paying up front for up to 3 years of hosting. I thought maybe we could have a little fund drive and see if we can raise upwards of $1,400 to take advantage of the savings. But we'll take what we can get by the time I have to completely move out of the house, that I am desperately trying to sell, and get the best deal we can.

Trust me, I know times are tough. I can afford this probably as much as you can. Just thought I'd throw it out there and see what we can do together.

Our paypal account (max@mudcat.org) is most convenient due to my 225 mile proximity to the mudcat bank, but the PO Box in West Chester is paid up for a few more months and my wife has a key and can check it now and again and make deposits. And thank you in advance for anything you can do.

I won't go as far as to say that this is the last time I'll ever ask for money, but I damn sure hope it is.

Love you all,

Max


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Cllr
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 05:56 PM

Sounds good to me,
Cllr


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: maeve
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:02 PM

I'll send what I can, Max.

maeve


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:03 PM

I'm up for a small donation, but I don't use PayPal--or any other electronic thing that takes my money.

Where can I send a check, and how made out?

John


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:04 PM

Sorry,

The Mudcat Cafe (or Max Spiegel to save me a trip to a different bank)
PO Box 3006
West Chester, PA 19381


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:05 PM

Well, it might help a bit if anyone actually KNEW where all the donated money in past years has gone? I can't see ME donating anything until there is some accounting available. Sorry, Max.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:07 PM

I feel that's a little cynical Sorcha


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Janie
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:11 PM

Sent a donation through paypal, Max. thanks so much for all the work you do. May this move make that work a little easier.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:14 PM

Maybe so, Richard...but still....I think there have been several thousand dollars donated.....and there is NO accounting for any of it....


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:17 PM

And I don't see it as 'cynical' at all, Richard, just an inconvient truth. WHERE did the money actually GO?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM

well, I tried to frame a reply, Sorch, but decided I dared not.....


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:24 PM

Dared not, Bill?????? WHAT?????


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:25 PM

Sorry, but any website that needs, wants, or solicits donations should have a transparent accounting system, IMO.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Dave Swan
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:25 PM

I figure that it's a question of whether you value what Max has done, or you don't, and that's up to you.

As far as I can see, I've gotten a great deal of information and connection out of this place and it's my choice to financially support Max and his efforts whenever I can.

D


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:26 PM

Amen, Dave.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,AC
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:27 PM

Why don't you go to another site and spend your time there, Sorcha?

Seriously, you are no more than a troll... less, really. How dare you malign Max and this site? What you have just posted is liable. Punishable under law.

Piss off.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:28 PM

WHO are you 'afraid' of Bill? Me? Max? The mods?...why do you not 'dare'?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: s&r
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:29 PM

I haven't sent a great deal. What I have sent has been free of any restriction on my part. If it paid Max a wage I would be delighted, but I doubt it would.

I can't conceive of the level of altruism that I beleive Max has shown over some years now.

I shall send a donation to help in whatever way to keep this wonderful resource up and running.

Stu


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM

I dare not because I'd say things to you I don't like saying. 'Dare not' doesn't mean fear.

'nuff said


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: ClaireBear
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM

What Dave said. Will do my best, Max.

Claire


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM

OK, can we keep this on track and not resort to name calling and oneupmanship?

LTS


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM

Well, then, Sorry, Bill....just the way I see it. Guess we differ. Nuff said


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:39 PM

Well said, el Swanno. Whatever I have given over the years, small amounts though it has been, I have received back a thousand fold and more in ways which one cannot put a price to...anything I can give will be given gladly.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: artbrooks
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:08 PM

On my calendar for the 1st, when the various retirement checks come in.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:17 PM

I don't care WHERE the money came from, or who gave how much...but what was it used for? WHERE did it GO?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:24 PM

Any donations I have made to Max have been to Max. I have always said that if it went to a new server...GREAT!. If it went to a dinner out for Max and Mrs. Max (the amazingly patient Mrs. Max) that was fine too.

I will Paypal a donation Max when a check clears.

Sorcha - go sober up before you continue.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:31 PM

I think I'd sooner trust Max than some firm of accountants I've never heard of to certify that the accounts were in order. Or any firm of accountants I have heard of, for that matter.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:33 PM

Don't rile me Sorcha, I'm not one to keep quiet!

Max has given us something that money can't buy, and it is obvious to anyone who is capable of clear thinking that the money he has been given so far has been well spent. Furthermore, I don't give a rats ass how he spent it, I have been getting my money's worth and I will damn well continue to donate!
Max is a friend of mine and I will not stand back and hear anyone malign him! He's not just some stranger with his hand out you know. You have crossed the line.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:40 PM

Accountants cost. Isn't that somewhat purpose-defeating? Or is Max supposed to spend his spare time writing up and publishing all the bookkeeping?

If you don't trust him, don't come play in his back yard. Nobody's forcing you.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:41 PM

Max. there will be a generous donation in tomorrow's mail.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:43 PM

Looks like you're outvoted Sorcha. If you don't want to pay for the service, fine. Nobody is making you. The majority of us try to help out where we can because we feel that we have the best end of this deal.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: The Barden of England
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:49 PM

Time and time and time again. Just work it out the amount of time that Max has spent giving. So you want an account of that?? How about giving your time to that? Sorcha - you should be ashamed. How much time have you put in?? Money - what the hell does that mean? and which bank have you supported? Shame on you, and thank you Max. My $50 is about to be sent.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:54 PM

The Mudcat CDs, which I ramrodded through several years back, have earned over two thousand dollars for the Mudcat since their release. Sorcha was a major contributor, donating time and skill in researching titles, copyrights and such. We never questioned where the money went, although I know it went mostly for hardware upgrades at the time.

I will send some additional funds as soon as I can do so, because I value greatly all the service and friendship, connection nd access to music and to talent I have benefited as a direct result of Max' work.

I grant Max complete authority to use the dough as he sees fit without answering to me, or to anyone else AFAIAC. That's my considered position; to respond to the Mudcat universe with the same unchallenging generosity it was delivered with when I found it.


A


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:05 PM

Let's not forget folks that personal attacks are not allowed here, even if it's someone who is asking for it.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:09 PM

Don't come down hard on Sorcha. She's probably helped fundraising quite significantly with that intervention... (And in quite a lot of contexts I would totally agree with her. Just not in this case.)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Deckman
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:10 PM

Max ... I just mailed you some CASH. Use it to take yerself and the family out to dinner ... YOU DESERVE IT! And NO ... I don't want any kind of accounting! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:13 PM

Deep breath...
So many of us have enjoyed life changing events as a result of Mudcat. I can never repay Max for the change he brought into my life.
My home, my jobs, my friends, my crazy music events all go back to Max and Mudcat.
Micca, Carole and Andrew, Tinker, Janie, Dani, Annie, Claire, Tami, Linn and Tom, John Roberts, Peter and Joanne, the FSGW crowd, even Dick Rogers and people all over the world from Iceland, Australia, England, Ireland, even Canada (LOL) and and - all from Max. I never had female friends in my life. That alone is a coup.

Captain and Mrs. Morse...

Thank you, Max


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:16 PM

She hasn't maligned him. She merely asked for accountability. Does everyone now think dissent is a form of domestic terrorism? Baa Baa


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:24 PM

She at least signs her name....


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Deckman
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:28 PM

Sins ... watch out fer female friends ... they's trouble! (bad bad bob)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,MAG at work
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:31 PM

Amos, don't forget the wonderful songs you wrote as a Mudcat fundraiser.

Max, consider the check in the mail. (I'm still employed; fingers crossed.)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:39 PM

On its way. Buy dog food with it.

I want a raise, SINSULL.

Dani


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: The Barden of England
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:41 PM

I didn't mean to hurt, nor malign and apologise without reservation. I do however believe that Max deserves our whole hearted appreciation for what he has given us. There are so many in this tortured world that don't know about the mudcat, and they are by far the losers in that context.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: curmudgeon
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:48 PM

PayPal $ tomorrow - Tom


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:50 PM

I almost forgot to add Deckman and bride Judy who have seen to it that I will never be penniless.
The Evil Sisterhood is watching, Bob. Careful.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 09:00 PM

John Barden, your response was reasonable, imo, and not a personal attack.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 09:30 PM

Been here now over ten years and have sent money and cheered fundraisers and ribbed the Kid (Max).   I've gotten to know dozens and dozens of people I would never have known and they have all enriched my life through their care, thoughtfulness, intelligence, knowledge, kindness, humor, and above all..........friendship.

I'll send my $$$ as I always have with no strings attached. For all this site has done for me and many others it really matters little if Max uses it to pay a host, buy supper, put aside to send his kids to Ohio State, or wipe his ass with it. I will send it happily only wishing times were not so bad for most of us.

So if you're thinking you need an accounting or wonder where it goes or have strings attached to it.........Keep it and make it all brown. Then have a Coke and Smile......and take 'em both elsewhere.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: The Barden of England
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 09:32 PM

Spaw - you're a diamond and no mistake.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Louie Roy
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 10:01 PM

In the last 84 years I have made donations to many different fund raiser or organizations and in my opinion this is one of the best fund raiser I've had the privledge to donate to.My check for $50.00 will be in the mail tomorrow morning/ Thanks Max for a very enjoyable 10 years Louie Roy


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 11:13 PM

Max -- money coming from my next commission check. Do with it what you will .... how can you ask for an accounting of anyone's personal time and commitment. Keep it going Max - Mudcat is a treasure......


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 11:16 PM

Paypal sent. If the server thing doesn't work out spend it on booze and hookers.
- Phil


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 12:06 AM

I don't have a lot of extra money right now, but I do have jewellery supplies and it's been years since I have offered a necklace in the auction, so...here's my contribution.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 12:35 AM

Sorcha does have a valid point. Some organizations do have an open accounting system, and it works for them and does lend them a certain credibility. I just can't do it. If I accepted a fee for membership, you bet your bottom I'd share my expenses with you. But this site is free, you don't have to contribute anything, nobody does. Just like I don't have to keep publishing it. I can turn it off and delete all the files and all the threads any time I want. But I don't. And maybe I don't because I know people care about it, and care about me.

In 1995 when I started mudcat, I wasn't keeping track of the money or time I was spending. It ran for over a year with no digitrad, then another year with no forum. We didn't have much of a membership for another year and two after that.

I never asked for or got contributions and we had no products to sell. I ran a server, paid for bandwidth, paid for software and spent more time on it that many people ever spend on a single project in their entire lives. This is a span of years with nothing. I didn't do it for money, so I kept no records. I just thought it was awesome that some guy in Germany was accessing files on my computer because he likes Leadbelly too.

So, I am sorry Sorch, I cannot report anything for at least 4 years. Though last and this year so far the money has gone to bandwidth, electricity, software, hardware, a solid gold toilet and just a little bit of crack cocaine. This picture is where the mudcat lived for almost exactly 5 years all the way up until the middle of last year. You can tell that I was spending all the money on lavish decorating, furniture and other fine things. This is were I would sit for hours to swap out a hard drive on a crashed server at 3am, add a new feature such as mudchat or settle a dispute between 2 mudcatters that couldn't get along in my forum. A luxurious lifestyle, I know.

Sorcha, I've always liked you, so I'll reword my initial thread for you:

Hi all. A solid 89 hours of uptime. Looks like something went right. Also, I think the supersearch is working and is no longer missing certain periods of time (though I'm not positive about that).

So, down to business. I'm broke, please send money, size 4 diapers, puppy food, canned goods and guitar strings.

Thank you,

Max


PS. I love you all and thanks for the help. For those of you who can't contribute or will not because of the lack of public accounting, I understand 100%. If you doubt me in any way, don't give it a second thought. I still love you, value your opinion and am glad that you are a part of this community. That's another thing that is free on this site... speech.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 01:18 AM

Mudcat Central doesn't look anything special, does it?

Maybe you can use my contribution to tart it up so it looks the really magical thing it is!

keep up the good work, Max & thanks for letting us be part of it tho make sure you spend a bit of time here & there with your family

sandra


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 01:59 AM

Note to self... do paypal this weekend after I get paid.

I am not going to attack Sorcha or take sides here. It is fair enough if someone needs or wishes transparency. It might have been better if Sorcha had PMd concern rather than make it public. But then maybe not.   It is a free speech place. Not my place to judge anyone.

I just want to say Thank you Max. Mudcat and it's denizens makes me laugh and cry. I witness and experience thoughtfulness, silliness, outrage and joy but I never feel despair. I learn amazing stuff about music, people and places. I have met wonderful virtual people and will soon be meeting one new Mudfriend face to face this weekend. I hope to meet more in real life.

I wish my daughter had lived to be a part of the Mudcat City. She would love it here. Though she prabaly would have been one of those stubborn, opinionated, vocal ones that mods would respectfully request to tone it down.   

Anyway, because Andie is not here, sometimes Mudcat is a very needed distraction from my sorrow.

Thank you again and again and again.

Oh and one tip.... please don't spend so much time on us that you miss precious moments with your family.

Tamara


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: open mike
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 02:37 AM

I HOPE THAT MANY OF US WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW
OUR APPRECIATION TO MAX FOR THIS WONDERFUL
LABOR OF LOVE THAT WE ALL BENEFIT FROM.

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY TO BE ALIVE!

I AM SURE THAT SORCHA HAS GAINED MANY FRIENDS
AND WONDERFUL EXPERIENCES FROM THE MUDCATS
SHE HAS MET HERE. I HOPE THAT SHE WILL BE
ABLE TO BE MORE SUPPORTIVE WHEN SHE REMEMBERS
THAT.

HERE'S TO A NEW YEAR OF FRIENDSHIP, MUSIC AND
BOTH SERIOUS AND COMICAL EXCHANGES ON MUDCAT.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 03:13 AM

Sorcha my dear I still think of you as a friend and I am pretty certain that you meant that as a genuine question. Sometimes however it is best to try and look at what we post through anothers eyes, the results are often suprising.

Max This month is real difficult but once I see where i am going I will try do my bit through UK catters support. Thank you for what must be a lot of hard work for what is essentially a bunch of strangers benefit.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 04:20 AM

From Max: (November 14th 08)

I don't have a problem with contibutions, though I would very much like to survive without them. The big picture is to generate money to be able to spend the time on the mudcat. I would like to think that the more time I spend on the mudcat, the better it will be. I also intend to seek grants and maybe even interns, getting the 501(c)3 non-profit status, the whole ball of wax.

I see the foundation too John, a dream of mine, to be sure.

I want the mudcat to be important and relevant not only on the internet, but everywhere.




So Max, get to it!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 04:25 AM

Guest go take a very long walk preferably on a very short pier. Peoples lives change and Max's life is going through the spindryer just now. By the way Guests are supposed to post with a consistant name not just the safe little hide behind mask of guest.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: MartinRyan
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 04:52 AM

Sent, ungrudgingly, if slowly.

Regards


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 05:56 AM

I thought this was 'No strings attached' site Max!

Whadya want Elixirs already?


To some strings, to others rope.

JM


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 06:44 AM

Mudcat has witnessed miracles before.

Along with the Hudson, and 32nd Street it is a real miricle this place has continued.

Good Lord knows I have been blessed in countless ways through Max's generosity.

A SONG for the TIMES

http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=75529

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Haruo
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 06:53 AM

I'll get some to you at some point here. Can I donate in Sorcha's name or will that confuse PayPal?

Haruo


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 07:55 AM

The bottom line here is, this site belongs to Max. Lox, stock and bagels. It is free to us to enjoy and no one is expected to contribute.
Demanding an accounting is over the top.

Does anyone want to know what I do with the money they give me for my CDs? Ask, I dare you!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:09 AM

Max works at zero pay, for all of us. What do you THINK he does with the money? Keeps himself and his family alive - so he can go on working at zero pay for all of us.

Just joined UK Friends (I think we should keep that thread near the top for awhile) and will be putting an as-new CD in the auction shortly (Grainne Hambly playing Irish harp).


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:11 AM

Rebalanced checking account. PayPal enroute.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Deckman
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:32 AM

Hi Kendall ... Say, I just wanted to ask you what it is that you REALLY do with your mone ... Oh, on second thought ... ferget I asked! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:55 AM

Max, could I make a couple of suggestions.

Firstly, maybe put the PayPal details at the top of the page, clearly visible..

And secondly, you know that 'Help Support The Mudcat Cafe' thingummyjig on the main Cafe page, which you click and it takes you to the link I've pasted below..well...is there any way you could add it to this page too? It would double up 'reminding' people....Oh, and the link to the UK Amazon site isn't working from my computer, don't know if that's just me or if anyone else is having problems.

How to get to the Paypal Account and the Amazon ones too

I've just sent mine over. First time I've ever done it, but I'll do it as and when I'm able to from now on. It was soooooo easy.

Thank you for all your hard work, dedication and love, in keeping this crazy site going. Look after yourself, and I hope the move and new job soon bring you and your family much happiness.

Lizzie :0) xx


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: jacqui.c
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 09:55 AM

Doing Paypal as soon as I leave this thread.

I told you at one of the Getaways, Max, that you, through this site, changed my life completely. I will always be in your debt.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 10:04 AM

Good idea, Lizzie - I generally forget that there is a "Main Cafe" page.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 10:12 AM

Sent a little somethin'-somethin' along with your 50% cut for the auction item I won last night..


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 10:35 AM

In the cosmic scheme of things, we're all much richer for Max's work, and we can never repay him for creating this site. I've always wished I could donate more, and have always felt that if there were a PBS kind of fundraiser for annual use (on an honor system) that would be fine with me also. Give what you can, when you can. I linked to Amazon through Mudcat this year to do my holiday shopping, and I do click on Google ads periodically to activate that payment.

The friends made, the people discovered, the support we can offer each other--all of this is priceless. How many of us have responded with lateral support to aid other Mudcatters, not just Mudcat itself? Someone's house burned down, someone's basement flooded, someone's computer died, someone needs a book or a recording, big or small, these have occurred and we've responded in order to keep our friends afloat and in touch with this community.

I use eBay to keep my PayPal account up and running, and I have been recovering from my own catastrophic computer crash and rebuild, so I haven't used it for a while. But with the next sale I'll be sending a portion to Mudcat, and use it as you will. It won't go to waste, however it is used. Max is a national treasure.

SRS


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 10:39 AM

Max is an international treasure! :0) lol


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 10:49 AM

Now wait a miute here......This whole "treasure" thing is getting out of hand. Let's remember that NOBODY who went to Penn State and now works for them can ever be a "treasure" of any sort. Additionally, he has never blown up the possum's ass and that alone disqualifies him admission into the TreasureHouse.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 11:08 AM

I h8 PayPal. They didn't think I was me and now I'm caught in virtual red tape. Why can't those jerks make sure it's really you when you sign INto the effing account!!? Assbrains...


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 11:10 AM

Tell us how you really feel about PayPal, Jeri. . .


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 11:31 AM

No, seriously, if they fix this, they're OK. It's the waiting. If they can mess things up that fast, you'd think they could mess them DOWN as quickly.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 11:46 AM

You think Paypal can mess it up? Try Facebook!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: twag
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 01:56 PM

I could see the point of an accounting if membership funds or fees were levied. But this incredible site is as free as the air we breathe--to the vast majority of us who don't maintain the machines it runs on and keep it virus and rootkit and lawsuit free. No ads, no banners, nothing but a tidy yet sprawling database, paired in verbose synergy with an untidy and exhaustive forum knowledgebase.

In the unlikely--it seems to me--event that Max and the Mudcat Team are in fact getting rich on the sporadic, ad hoc donations that we supply...would that a bad thing considering what we're getting in return?

I'm in for $50 for the move. I've been a Digitrad drone for far too long. While I don't blovulate regularly in the forums, I always mean to do…and would just hate it if the 'Cat dried up and blew away for lack of support before I got around to it.

Thank you, Max et al, for all you do.   And thank you Sorcha for annoying me enough to make me finally get up off my wallet. But perhaps that was your intent all along…you cunning minx?

=tew=

P.S. I also tried to set up a recurring PayPal donation on a monthly basis, but it appears that kind of subscription has to be set up on the vendor's side. If you'd like to offer that as an option somewhere on the site, Max, it might provide you with a steady enough income stream to have a cushion for pop-up expenses like the server move. Still voluntary. The amount could vary from person to person. No pressure, just convenience for those who'd like to support on a regular basis.

P.P.S and thanks for mentioning this over Beers yesterday, Dave!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 02:08 PM

Recurring billing costs the merchant big time. And the headaches when someone opts out without properly warning Max.

Check cleared. My donation goes tonight.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Neil D
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 02:40 PM

Max,
Found this site by accident, and it's been the best thing I've ever found on-line. Made great friends, got wonderful support from people all over. I have learned so much about various artists from this site that I probably wouldn't learned anywhere else. I would never even have heard of Planxty, and now they are my favorite band, after Bruce:) So here is our money, no strings attached, use it however you see fit. Hopefully I will be back to work soon and can send more. Good luck with the move. Say hi to Joe Pa.

                                          Neil and Christina Devore


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 03:08 PM

The Mudcat team, such as it is, is rapidly rising up to the poverty level.






And loving it!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 03:08 PM

twag, if you bank online, it's easy enough to set up a recurring payment through your bank's bill pay service. It's what I do for public radio. It makes it easy and convenient and they have that set amount, from so many of us, to depend on each month. I've done it before for Mudcat, too.:-)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Nancy King
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 04:18 PM

Hi Max! Good on ya for all you do to keep us connected! Modest contribution on the way from me, via Paypal.

Nancy


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Sorcha
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 06:51 PM

I am posting to say thank you to all those who have PM'd me with a bit of support. You know who you are. I WILL check my PMs once in a while; otherwise I'm logged out for a while.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 07:25 PM

Even a blind hog will find an acorn sometimes.

Max knows who contributes and who just complains.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Sorcha
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 07:46 PM

Kendall, I think I've done a bit more than complain.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:34 PM

I am gobsmacked by those comments from one who has used this place as an outlet for years. I do not like the implication nor do I like the tone. Max has never once attempted to coerce, cheat, or make claims. In his own time, for nothing more than the love of music, he created a site that became so much more than just a surf in site. Folks, including that poster, found a community of caring people, an invaluable musical resource, a forum where the great and not so great issues of the day were discussed, and when the 3D visits happened, new friends. Rarely the day has gone by that she herself has not been here. She needs to get the hell off that high horse. Because I have had a bit more ability to travel than some, I witnessed the radio shows, and I have seen the newlywed young man with the servers beside his bed. He could barely afford rent, but he kept the site going. Rick and I used to marvel at the reasons. We knew that Max did this, even when it was a pain in the ass and a strain on his life, because he knew it was important to people. He did it because he knew there were folks for whom this was their connection with the larger world. He did it because amazing musical facts, like the Spancil Hill thread, were a signal of the vast potential. He sacrificed a lot of his own time so some woman out west could make good enough friends in Great Britain to have a place to play and stay when she went there. Max, on the other hand, hasn't had the money to go there. But he kept this place open and will continue to because he loves it, and you, more than you know.

Max, my younger friend, I am going to chastise you now. Don't you ever again answer, or lend dignity to such people with a response. Not an answer, not a smart ass comment, nothing. Virtually every soul that uses this place, and for whom it is a very important part of our lives and careers, already knows that there is no credibility in those comments. With what you have done, and with the way you are thought of by virtually all of us, it is beneath you to respond.

I will be sending you a sizable amount on the first of the month. Don't you dare bother telling me what you spend it on. If you have any sense at all, you will take that magnificent woman of yours, those kids, and that beagle, and go for dinner and a movie and put what is left over on your electric bill. Or use it to get drunk, or as a down payment on a Martin. I don't care except for one thing. Know that it comes with my gratitude for all that you have done.

With love and best wishes,

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:38 PM

I dunno' Mick.......While I agree, its like I said above......He may want to save it for the kids' college fund so they can go to Ohio State or some decent school....................

Spaw


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Mary Katherine
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:40 PM

I haven't got much money to spare right now, Max, but tell you what - why don't you keep all of whatever money has come in from the items I've auctioned on the Mudcat, instead of sending me my share, and I'll find some more items to add to the auction real soon.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:43 PM

Mick, am I allowed to respond to spaw?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:50 PM

Don't encourage him, Max.

Paypal payment sent today.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 09:33 PM

Max, only if you tell him you are sending them to Notre Dame......

I'll get me cap.

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 09:35 PM

Chat isn't working. I don't know if that was discussed, and I rarely go there, but it says I'm not logged in and there is a blank screen when the warning message clears up.

Max, you could save yourself some money by moving to Texas. If you work at UT Arlington you can send your kids to school for half price. If you got a job at TCU (Texas Christian U) I think they could go free. Then you can use those donations for something else.

;-D

SRS


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 09:36 PM

Well spaw, One day I sat down and I compared Ohio State and Penn State in every conceivable category from sports and academics to the quality of drinking water. I did this to formulate an indefensible argument to use to engage you here on mudcat once and for all. The problem was, that I found out that day that Ohio State is quite an institution. In fact, I found out that Ohio State was better than Penn State. I spent hours rechecking my information, retabulating the statistics, I even tried to skew the numbers, but nothing worked. I cried myself to sleep that night, curled up in a ball.

When I woke up the next morning, I made the decision to go to work at Penn State, because, surely, with my help, we could one day raise our status to surpass Ohio State as the best and greatest state college in America. I figured that all they were missing is me. And jees, with all the nice things folks are saying about me in this thread, how can you deny it?

It wasn't but a few weeks later that I was offered, and accepted, a position with Penn State. I shall start in the marketing department and work my way to the top, excelling at every step.

And Spaw, I have an 18 year old daughter currently attending Penn State. As an employee, I save 75% on her tuition. The only drawback to it all is all the paperwork as to what I am going to do with the money that I'm saving.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 09:42 PM

Shit..... the whole damn thread just went to hell. Strap in folks, here it comes.

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Janie
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 09:50 PM

In the FWIW department, if Max doesn't have a problem with Sorcha asking for what she wants, I don't know that the rest of us have cause to complain or pile up on her.

As it happened, I was able to send a little money to Max regarding this request, but I am some one who is perennially struggling and have donated almost nothing to the care and feeding of Mudcat. I don't care about fiscal accountability regarding this site, but if some one does, that is OK. They are free to not make a contribution for that reason. I'd venture to say, whether she has contributed financially or not, that Sorch has contributed more musically to the site than I certainly have. Amos has noted her valuable contributions of time to the CD's.

If Sorcha's tone was normally all sweetness and light, and the tone she has struck on this thread radically different from her typical posts, I might be inclined to interpret what she has asked or demanded differently. But Sorcha is often irascible. She wants fiscal accountability. It is clear that most of us don't need it, and she ain't a'gonna get it. If she or others are not comfortable making contributions because of that lack of accountability, that is OK too.

Give it a rest. Max doesn't need us to defend him.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 10:18 PM

Max, I am really proud of you and although your school came out second I do see your point regarding the savings. Going to work for them was an excellent idea as the place has nowhere to go but up and you can make them look good. And look on the bright side, it could be worse. You could live in Ann Arbor.

I notice that you did not compare either the quality of beer or the size of tailgate parties but as you know, all the Big Ten schools are about equal in these departments. Although we may all catch flak about whether the Big Ten teams are the equal of other conferences, there is no doubt that when it comes to tailgating and beer drinking, we will not be beaten.

Now as far as what to do with all the paperwork documenting the savings, I think you need to send all of that stuff to Sorch as she always seems interested in that kind of thing.............


Spaw


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 01:11 AM

Saved 75 percent of the cost at Penn State? Hmmm. Too bad we sold the family homestead there in Salladasburg. . .


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 01:23 AM

You heard from me today, Max. Mudcat has been a great 'natural' resource and source of much opportunity to bloviate. Best of luck and be healthy

robbot


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: BK Lick
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 01:25 AM

Max, if you're still looking at prospective new hosts you might
consider Servint -- I've been running a VPS server there for four
years and think they're the best in the business.

Sending a small Paypal contribution.
—BK


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 06:13 AM

I have often checked into this site because I know it is a wonderful source of knowledge and inspiration. It's hard to fathom that it is in the main the work of one person that draws so many together because of a shared interest. But the abiding clarity is that Max has achieved something for the greater good and I find that immensely impressive. I don't know Max and may never know him or any of the regulars here but you have got my attention and respect. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and thoughts


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 08:21 AM

When it comes to great colleges, my vote goes to Bowdoin.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Marion
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 09:35 AM

I agree with Janie 100%. The bullying and insults that have been directed at Sorcha because of a perfectly reasonable question are an embarrassment to the Mudcat community.

It's valid to donate "blindly" based on your past relationship with or impression of Max. And it's also valid to think analytically about where your donation dollars are going to go and to ask for further information. If another person's approach is not the same as yours, that's not a problem - each can do what their heart and brain lead them to do, without having any conflict.

Sorcha's contributions to the Mudcat- in musical knowledge, in social support, and in the CD project - are obvious to anyone who's been paying attention. And if you had the honour to visit her home, as I did a few years go, you would see how freely and broadly she devotes her time and energy to her family and community (not to mention to her Mudcat guests), and you would put to rest any doubts you have about her generosity.

I know Sorcha, and I really, really dislike seeing the bitchy remarks about her that I'm seeing in this thread (that's bitchy in both the male and female styles).

Marion


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 09:59 AM

My remarks are not bitchy nor ganging on. My remarks are directed at someone who could have directed the same comments she made publicly to Max in a PM and probably got a different response. But when one makes comments in a public forum, they invite a response. While I consider both of Sorcha's defenders as friends, I must say that, in my opinion, they are wrong. I always look at motivation. If Sorcha's motivation was a quest for info, that would be handled differently and privately. If Sorcha's motivation was to point out that there are improprieties, then public is the way to go, and she should step up with her opinion on what those are. If Sorcha's motivation is to kill off a request made by Max (which he rarely does, and only when his private costs get very burdensome) then public is the way to go. But if you go public, you invite response. That is life in the internet forum. And my response is offered in the very same mode that she made her comments.

There is a difference between ganging up on someone and being on the other side from the opinion of most folks. If you two friends cannot look at her comments and see that the contrary opinions are in the same vein and tone as her original comment, well .... then I guess we just disagree.

As to me, I stand by my own response.

First of the month, Max.

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:10 AM

Could we please just drop the arguing in Max's thread?
I figured once he responded, it should have been over, IF people had as much respect for him as they portray themselves having.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:12 AM

You are free to do anything you would like to do. That is another hallmark of Mudcat. Feel free not to comment. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:26 AM

Repeated posts that shout

> WHERE did the money actually GO?

> I don't care WHERE the money came from, or who gave how much...but what was it used for? WHERE did it GO?


send a certain signal. Those questions were asked on the open forum, and it's fair to respond to them. They also carry an accusing tone. If she merely wanted an answer I don't see why she could not have asked privately. She made it public, now it stays public. We have the right to respond, and to disagree without being told off for it. It's a fair call.

And I don't think the bulk of replies have been bitchy - I believe mine wasn't: publishing accounts does cost in either time or money, and when you work for no salary you need something to live on and feed your children with.

I hope Sorcha will not stay away for long, and I realise that she has contributed much of value to the forum. But I think demanding accountancy in this manner was out of line.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Maryrrf
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:31 AM

I'm coming to this late, but I want to make this comment. I have belonged to a couple of internet forums where there was a charge to subcribe. In no case was there any 'accountability' in terms of where the money went. If you wanted and liked the service, you subscribed and paid the fee. The 'accountability' was that the forum and the information provided was there for you to use and enjoy.

Max was simply asking for voluntary donations - no one is obligated to pay. Mudcat is either worth it to you or it isn't.   I'm currently in pretty dire economic circumstances but I intend to send a small donation. Sorcha's comments were way out of line, most especially because of the accusatory tone which implied that Max was somehow trying to bilk the Mudcat community. Whatever she may have contributed in the past, her remarks were uncalled for and insulting.

Frankly, I marvel at Max's patience when confronted with such ingratitude.   

Sometimes I find Mudcat exasperating, frustrating, irritating, and dysfunctional. But it's also full of wit, humor, knowledge and fun. It's my community and I feel a sense of belonging. I check in several times a day. If it were to go away there would be a tremendous void.

Thank you, Max, for creating and maintaining the Mudcat community.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:31 AM

We can seem to work up a fight over anything here...


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:32 AM

I'm with Mick.

Mind you, the comments concerned so completely incensed me that I finally got round to sending some money, which I've been meaning to do for a very long time. So I guess it's that 'every cloud and silver lining' bit, in a way. I think Max knows he's more than just a little loved due to this thread, and how we feel about all that he does. And that's a good thing too.

Hey, ONE cloud, TWO silver linings! :0)

And I'm sure there may well be a few more 'silvers' before this thread is done.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:55 AM

Hmmmmm... many of us have been around long enough to recall more than one discussion about "donations". Indeed, Max actually did lay it all out, in general, in at least ONE of THOSE discussions. Perhaps some Mudcatters just missed those threads, or forgot them, or haven't researched them, or... whatever.

Bottom line is, yo don't gotta donate or even use the FREE services if ya don't wanna.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 12:15 PM

When you open a door there is no telling what may wander in.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: ClaireBear
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 01:46 PM

Maryrrf, that was truly eloquent.

The aforementioned comments get me to write a check too -- and even find an envelope, a stamp, and a mailbox -- so I'm pleased to be yet another constituent of the silver lining but ever so distressed about the presence of the cloud.

Claire


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 02:30 PM

Well if I offended...........whatever............

Look, Sorch has an opinion and others are entitled to agree or disagree and that does not constitue ganging up or bullying. It is what it is. Should I be offended because you disagree with me or say those people who do are bullying me or ganging up on me? We disagree and its a discussion.

And as said, opinions are like assholes and I have one of each plus being an asshole myself which makes a total of THREE!!!

So send some coin......or don't......and let's move on.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 03:36 PM

Where would we all be without assholes, spell them how you will?

Nine times out of ten I'd agree with Sorcha on this. And as Max said, it was "a valid point."

We do squabble, and much of the time that's quite fun, and even when it isn't fun, it's mostly fair. Just sometimes there's a bit of a tendency for someone to get mobbed, and that's ugly. It didn't quite get there, it seemed to be heading that way.

So here is something completely different, and a lot more useful than continued squabbling. It's a daft game someone sent my wife. It'll drive you crazy. It's said to be used to train air force pilots, who are supposed to be able keep it going for at least two minutes... I've managed 10 and a half seconds so far.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:04 PM

Kevin, that kind of crap will get you banned!!!! We have important things to do around here, and mindless games like this are not the stuff that soaring intellects should be bothered with.

My best so far is 11.506

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:09 PM

Spaw:

You should be offended because I think you are a blower of possum assholes. AT the same time it is important that you take personal responsibility for whatever you have done to generate that impression in the Universe.


A


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:12 PM

Beuys if you dinny behave i will send Granny ower there and she'll pit ye ower her knee there will be tears afore bedtime


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:14 PM

Megan, don't tell them THAT or they'll never stop!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:14 PM

Hey, in bullriding all you have to manage is 8 seconds. I made it to 9 so far.

Great distraction.

Meanwhile, Mudcat seems to have been stable online for a few days now. It's the occupants who are tilting here and there. Seems about normal . . .


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:15 PM

Then again, 'Granny' might scare them...


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:15 PM

LOL I thought it wis only oor Bruce had that proclivity


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:18 PM

I agree with Mich on that last point.

Dan (15.306!)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:19 PM

Better known as Mick.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 04:29 PM

Dan ... you know I love you like a little brother ..... bite me. Now I will have to go and try to top that. Little &*^%#$#%^&.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 05:21 PM

This site is part of my day, I'll send some cash but....
I refuse to get involved with Paypal again, is there an alternative to posting a cheque from the UK?

Al


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 05:24 PM

UK Friends of Mudcat. Contact John Routledge by PM for the account number, and you can pay directly into that account. the money is then transferred to Max in instalments.
John


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 05:24 PM

Perhaps you could hook up with someone who does use it? Is Friends of the Mudcat still in operation?

Mick
(16.927)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 05:52 PM

Whizzer. I'll give it a go.

Al


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Artful Codger
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 05:54 PM

I have two requests:

(1) Surely there are some people with pull who could assist Max in getting grants to fund the running of this site. It is the most valuable resource now existing for the free exchange of folk music information, and should not be dependent for its existence on the fortunes, inclinations and unrequited efforts of just one person--or the monetary generosity of folkies (never a flush lot).

(2) Max, could you start a read-only thread for status information only, so that people who want to stay informed do not have to keep weeding through all the foofarrah?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 05:58 PM

Five year old Morgan wants me to tell you old men he managed 4.27 seconds on his first try!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 06:11 PM

37.375

OK, it took me a few goes....well...*quite* a few, but I worked out that you hit the walls far more times than the squares, so you need to stay in the middle. When it starts, you go to the left, then up to the top, go right, then back to the middle and try to stay there....Relax your eyes, focus on the centre of the whiteness, not the colours, let them drift in from all around, relax in the chair and get plenty of room for the mouse to roam on the desk...

Then realise that you have no history time line, that you can't remember information on pages that you read, that you have no way of even storing the order of songs on a CD in your head, your ramble incoherently and incessantly..but hell, you can avoid little blue boxes as if you were born to do it!

And worry! LOLOL :0)

I've FOUND my talent!!!!

Oh, Gawd.........Mudcat, what HAVE you done to me! :0)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 06:26 PM

Very impressive Lizzie - I haven't managed anything near that. Perhaps you'll make a fighter pilot yet.
...............................

As for cash - maybe we could me have one of those big red barometers they have outside churches which are trying to get the cash to mend the roof showing where have got to.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 07:09 PM

I totally endorse the anonymous 22 Jan 09 - 06:13 AM posting. I will make a contribution via the UK bank account.

Richard


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 07:28 PM

Okay, I made 16 on the game....not all the way but it'll do. I own the Official Possum (Cleigh O'Possum) so

SEND ON GRANNY

and I'll give her a go!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Sorcha
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 07:34 PM

Look, I'm an Old Hippie Chick...remember 'Challenge Authority'?


And yes, Janie, I'm irascible...but I think there are probably a LOT of irascible people on this site. I sort of consider that a compliment.


Marion, thank YOU. And Kevin too.

I have also rec'ed PMs from several in support but it seems that 'most' people who actually agree with me are somehow afraid to come out of the closet? Come on people....


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 07:48 PM

I thought it might be...

I can't get past 11 seconds...


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 07:52 PM

"remember 'Challenge Authority'?"

Max isn't authority, he's one of us - he just happens to own the ball we're playing with.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 08:00 PM

I got past 12 and had to stop. One thing I discovered was it doesn't pay to keep going in the same direction. Sometimes, reversing works.

Just like life, isn't it? Sometimes you have to be willing to back up to go forward. Life is like a box of boxes. Things will come at you from all directions, and if you keep bombing around at full speed, you're going to get knocked out by brainless blue squares, daddy-o.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: curmudgeon
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 08:03 PM

Meanwhile, back on topic; I finally got my PayPal $ sent, and added a bit to cover the charge; others using PayPal might want to do same   - Tom


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 08:11 PM

Paypal has said they didn't collect a fee on what I sent. Maybe it has to do with where the money came from? Mine was in my PayPal account.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John Routledge
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 08:29 PM

Just sent out "Friends of The Mudcat" bank details to 2 more UK Catters.

Any more for any more.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 08:44 PM

The way I see it , regardless of Full Accountability , there are SO many of us who enjoy The Cat That if EVERY member sent $5 , and HALF the visitors sent $2 Max would be able to set up what ever was needed !
Personally , for what I have got out of Mudcat Membership I would not object too strongly about an annual membership fee - As long as it wasnt going to be anything like what Governments are paying the bloody banks !


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:45 PM

Don't worry Kevin. Many men have that problem. . .

I think the PBS model is a good one. Watch or listen, and pay what you can, if you can.

SRS


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Beer
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 10:48 PM

Late arriving. Thought it was a follow up thread to the previous one about ideas for the site.
I'm disappointed in that Sorcha asked the question publicly but I don't disagree that the question was asked. I'm sure she has contributed to this site as much (and maybe a lot more)as any member. I may not agree with a lot that she has to say, but I do hold her in respect of her right to offer her opinion. I think that maybe Sorcha has been an active member longer than many of us and should be treated with respect. instead of telling a member to get lost or some other negative adjective that just leaves hurt it would be a lot more respectful and not as hurtful to just disagree in a positive way. As an example; "Sorcha, I don't agree with you but you are entitled to your opinion". BTW, that is also my opinion.

Leadfingers,
While reading all the threads I kept thinking that I would be in favor of a membership fee. Here I get to the last post and you make the suggestion.
I believe that it would solve many problems such as the one just occurring as well as it would help Max out in that he wouldn't have to appear to be begging all the time. How much for membership would have to be determined by Max and his team. I have no idea.    But I don't think it would be to hard to figure out how much it would cost to become a member. It would save so much time instead of trying to come up with ideas to raise funds or asking for money. The number of members divided into an approximate $ value per year. There would be a problem for "Guests" however.
Mudcat has been of great value to me in many ways. I have met musicians and made friends. I have promoted the festival I run. I have had questions answered in threads I have started and the list goes on. I probably have spent way to much time on this site but that is because I'm hooked. All this has a dollar value that I could never afford.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 04:39 AM

I believe Paypal only charge if you are buying something, not if the money is a gift. (So presumably they would charge for a membership fee.)

The continued existence of Mudcat is evidence enough for me of where the money goes. I don't want Max to have to spend his valuable time on book keeping.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Banjiman
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:41 AM

Money on the way.

and thanks.

Paul


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 07:12 AM

The problem with an annual sub (which I too would not object to paying) is that it will diminish the site as a resource, simply because a lot fewer people would post here or even see it. Just as supermarkets make a lot of money on prominently-displayed "impulse purchase" items, there's a valuable surf-in input which we'd lose. Guests can sometimes be a pain, but those are well outnumbered by the ones who bring gems of info or spark interesting questions which then elicit other nuggets. We would all be the poorer for the loss of that. (And yes, I'm well aware of the amount of behind-the-scenes work undertaken by unpaid clones, scraping out the crap and spam in order to maintain that positive ratio.)

I prefer the discretionary-donation option, for the health of the site. Or perhaps suggesting a voluntary annual figure, which people are free to pay or not pay?

PS: Just put the wheels in motion for joining UK friends - I'd sent my PM to the wrong John (sorry, mate).


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 07:18 AM

I agree that any Subscription would have to be carefully thought out - NO WAY would I want to discourage any one from visiting the site and adding to any discussion - But Members already have access to facilities that are NOT available to guests - Chat (WHEN it is working) and PM's immediately spring to mind .


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: nickp
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 07:27 AM

Donation made. Nick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:11 AM

Paypal did not require a fee from me.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:56 AM

IMHO, membership is probably not a good idea. Sir Max asks for cash infusions very rarely - or someone else does on Mudcat's behalf, like last year's terabit drive. I assume that, in normal times, this means that the ads, you-click fees (such as the Amazon portal) and auctions provide most of the operating expenses. I'd hate for us to get into a situation where people feel justified in saying "I paid my five bucks, why should I put in more" in unusual circumstances like we are in now.

Max runs Mudcat...Mudcat doesn't run Max (although I'm sure that sometimes he thinks it does). He has every right to relocate for a new job, for personal growth, to support his family, or just because he wants to. {I won't get into the relative virtues (or lack of them) of universities in the effete East.} It is really none of our business. His commitment to take Mudcat along with him and continue managing it as he begins a new career needs, and deserves, our personal and, if possible, financial support. Yes, folkies are rarely wealthy, and many of us live on pensions of one sort or another. So, contribute if you can and don't if you can't.

BTW, I consider Sorcha a personal friend. I disagree entirely with her very polite (especially for Sorcha) request for an accounting for past donations, but I think the responses to it have been entirely out of line. It seems to me that, rather than addressing anything she actually said (go back and read her comments, guys), those who are responding to her statements - including a Mod who I also consider a friend - are trying to outdo the previous responders in gratuitous rudeness.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:57 AM

Beer, I support freedom of speech, but Sorcha put this in the forum instead of taking it up with Max in private. That tells me that she was looking for a row, and she got it.
I've contributed quite a lot to mudcat over the past 10 years and I don't need an accounting, and it looks to me like the majority of us don't need an accounting.
If Max should just say "Screw it, it's not worth my bother" many of us are going to be really pissed off at the mal contents.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:15 AM

If all of us were to sent in what we think the Cat is worth to us, that would probably mean a great deal more money coming in than Max actually needs.

In the unlikely circumstance that this actually happened, I'd trust Max to decide what to do with it - set it aside for a rainy day, pass it on to some good cause, or blow it on a Caribbean cruise for the family...

But I'd think it more likely that, with luck, there'll be just about enough to keep the Cat afloat.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: curmudgeon
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:36 AM

I know that PayPal does not charge the sender, but...

"It sometimes also charges a transaction fee for receiving money (a percentage of the amount sent plus an additional fixed amount). The fees charged depend on the currency used, the payment option used, the country of the sender, the country of the recipient, the amount sent and the recipient's account type."

I thus added a bit more than I intended for Max, just in case he is charged a fee. If that's not the case, he now has a pittance more to use - Tom


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: treewind
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:52 AM

Strange - Paypal gave me the option of paying the fee or deducting it from the amount received. It was quite explicit about what was going to happen. I chose to add the fee at my end, but there was no "just in case" about it - and indeed, there should not be.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:16 AM

Max has said many times that he will NOT have a formal membership fee.

We here in the DC area do an annual folk festival where there are big jars for donations, but NO one is charged. It works well.

New folks at Mudcat might be put off if they arrive, only to find a cost attached. Many though, are inspired to contribute after being here awhile.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:19 AM

PayPal takes a cut on many (most) transactions. When we were moving money around for a computer project last year it was discovered that PayPal took a percentage when we sent cash to each other.

When I suggested the PBS model I didn't utter the word "subscription," just to clarify my point, if that is why the conversation has switched to that topic. PBS is an honor system and no one denies you the privilege to watch or listen to your heart's content if you don't join the station or channel. No one tells you how much you should contribute. But the people who DO join know that if it didn't have altruistic subscribers, it WOULD go away. They're doing some of the financial heavy lifting for everyone else.

SRS


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:28 AM

Max, if you're still checking this thread, I have a request. When you can, please add a link to the Mudcat Auction FAQs on the Add Item to the Auction page so folks can find the info easily. Thanks! Also sent as PM.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 10:48 AM

As I posted previously on this thread, there is info on funding, expenses, donations, membership, and the like. Ya just gotta look for it.

Here is one example.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:02 PM

Adrien and Art, I have read and pondered your comments and find that I cannot agree. And my comments were not gratuitous nor were they an attempt to outdo anyone. Sorcha chose to make a public comment that I found, in tone and content, to invite a response. The implications of it were clear. Cutting through all the emotional folderal that the thread has generated, this woman (whom I also consider a Mudcat friend) who has used this site to her advantage in addition to contributing her input, chose to chastise a person who has given her the outlet and opportunity to expand her world. If she really gave a damn about Max and the site, she would have contacted him personally and expressed her concerns. But, in my opinion, she chose to express her "irrascible" opinion in public. When you do that, you invite response. The responses she got were just as "irrascible" as what she posted.

I am not throwing Sorcha out the window, nor am I ganging on. I simply wrote my response to her comments. I remember when she came here. She certainly has contributed to the quilt. But her, like all of us, has gotten much more than she gave, financially, spiritually, knowledgewise .... on every level this place gives back far more than any of us contribute. Neither of you would even know who she, or any of us, were it not for this place. This is why I found the method, the language, and the tone of her comments to be unacceptable to me.

I stand by my response to her comments.

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:11 PM

My mum gave me a piece of advice for when I got older:) never quite knew if i was old enough yet to use it. She said "If you are about to say something to someone imagine for a moment a teenager saying the same thing to you. If it sounds like something you would skelp them for then don't say it rudeness isnt pleasing at any age."


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Beer
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:40 PM

I have no problem with your comment Kendall, Mick or any other. There are always two sides and I can see yours very clearly. I hate seeing what is happening and do hope that Sorcha will come back.
As far as the membership suggestion is concerned it was simply a suggestion. I believe it does have some merits but also has pitfalls. Just an idea and topic for discussion.
Adrien
BTW Kendall and Mick, I do hope to see and hear you both at our festival in the near future.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 01:54 PM

Megan, was Granny your mum's mum, by any chance? ;-)

Max, I second Kat's request about displaying the auction-page info in more places. Not knowing how to administer things or handle money scared me off donating until now, and even after looking for it I couldn't find the FAQ page. In fact, auctioning stuff is dead easy - even easier if you give 100% of the take to Mudcat! (No currency handling to worry about.) Try it, you guys -

I particularly like the international aspect of it - a nifty way for Statesiders to buy British/Irish/Other items and still pay dollars. (Anybody fancy a green plastic leprechaun sitting on a shamrock?) (Kidding . . .)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:09 PM

gnu, thanks for posting that link.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:14 PM

OK guys, I know that of all people I'm not the one to really say this...but then again, maybe I am. Come on now, you fellas all love one another, we all do, in our own 'irascible' way. :0) Could we just all stay friends now, kiss and make up.

Sorcha was maybe feeling a little grumpy, many others got a little angry, but out of it all has come enormous support for Max and for Mudcat, and this thread, probably above all others, has proved just how important Mudcat is, to all of us.

I'm getting real upset watching all of you getting upset. You're all good people, kind people.

Mudcat is free, and for that we should all thank our lucky stars, for to have it any other would be a shame and many would walk away or never even find it in the first place. What this thread has done is opened our eyes to the fact that in a way, Mudcat belongs to us all, and therefore, we should all support Max, and hell...he shouldn't even HAVE to ask in the first place really, should he.

Do we ask our lifeboats or fire crews to account for our donations? Nope. Some of us don't donate, yet still get rescued by them regardless, and they never hold it against us. Same with Mudcat...I've never donated up until now, yet I've caused Max, Joe and Mick some pretty awful headaches over various things in the past, but they still 'rescued' me when I needed it, regardless of anything else that had happened. Besides, let's face it, we'd all be in need of the ambulance crews if Mudcat disappeared..LOL

So yes, Sorcha has done a lot of good, perhaps in a way she never intended, but that's so often how these things happen...and Mick has, as always, made me smile with his passionate writing, this time in loyal support of his dear friend Max. And Adrien's apples are spilling out all over, with his wonderful festvial and yes, wouldn't it be just GRAND if Mick and Kendall got to play there too! It's a festival that I reckon is on the up and up.

Anyways ups, you guys are all luvvvverly.

And Max and Mudact are loved to pieces, for all they have given to so very many of us.

So onward and upwards.

Peace, everyone.

Lizzie :0) x
(on line to being a fighter pilot any day now, Kevin!) ;0)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 02:16 PM

No Bonnie, I have plenty, but if you have some of those nifty pointy ears and funny shoes layin' around........ ***chuckle***. I could swap you my autographed 45 of The Unicorn for them.

Adrien, it is my fondest hope that I get to your festival. I love most things Canadian, and this one seems to be a comer.

I am done with the discussion of this funds thing. In my opinion Sorcha, meself, and all of us have said it all. Time to get back to Mudcattin. Don't worry about Sorcha, she will be back. She's got too much backbone and heart not to, and she is part of the fabric of the place. I know how it feels when we say things (without comment about whether they are right or wrong) that people react badly to. It hurts, and I say this from raw experience. One cannot be around a place as long as Sorch, meself, Kendall, Jeri, Joe, and a host of others, without at some point pissing people off. It usually takes a few weeks, and then we work our way back. I vote for, and intend to, put it behind and get back to what we do. Give if you feel you can.

Good suggestion on the auction, kat. I will make sure Max sees it, but my guess is he has already. He is paying a lot of attention to his baby Mudcat these days.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 05:36 PM

Enough talk about Sorcha. It ends here. Her comments are valid, and I do in fact owe her a lot, and like her a great deal. She worked hard on those CDs and she deserves whatever she requests. All my files are in boxes right now with no place to go, but I give my word that I'll dig out the financials, once I move and get settled, from the Blue Plate Special sales and let you all know what happened.

I like public discussions, no matter how controversial. But you have to be prepared to accept what happens after you hit submit. I don't think I reacted with any disrespect or attack, if I did I am sorry, but bringing it up in public calls for the public to respond. I cannot apologize for that because Sorcha has been here long enough to know what happens.

Once again, this particular conversation need not go on. Sorcha is a member of our family that merely spoke her mind.

I saw the auction links, I'll see if I can do that now.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM

Thanks for getting the FAQS link in the auction, Max. I think that will help get more folks to take part in it. I appreciate your being on the spot with it!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: ranger1
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:03 PM

Money sent, Max. Don't forget to feed the dog, 'kay?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:04 PM

Thank you Max. That was all I ever really meant.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 23 Jan 09 - 09:12 PM

You're logged in! That's wonderful - whatever differences of opinion we all might have, I was always sorry at the thought of you leaving. This means you'll stay, right?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 12:37 AM

Max,

I've had something weird happen twice in the past day and this evening. I have been cruising around in the BS threads, posting, editing html links, etc., then clicked on "forum home" in one of those threads. When I get routed to the top of the page, there are several marked "BS" threads at the top of the music section. When I go into one to check that it is designated "BS", it is, and when I click back out, they have all gone below where they belong. It doesn't bother me, but it does seem to be a glitch I thought you might want to know about.

Also PMd.

kat
    I'm guessing it's a flawed cookie, Kat. Go to "membership" and change your answer in the last question, and then hit "submit." Then, if needed, go back to Membership and select they desired answer, and submit. That should reset your Mudcat cookie properly. A cache cleanout may help, too - on your browser, tools/option/delete Internet files.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:31 AM

Max, the Amazon-UK link doesn't work - when I click on it, I get this:

400 Bad Request

Request cannot be handled by the server.
Reason: Connection with Host: header containing unknown local host name "amazonuk.mudcat.org". Received on IP address 192.168.1.9, which is not bound to any virtual server. Cannot proceed.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 05:34 AM

French & Canadian links also kaput, same response. USA one's OK, though -


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 08:55 AM

Yo Maxman

Check out your paypal. Some money on the way to you in the US from me in the UK. May take a few days for it to go through with exchange. Not exactly how it works as it has been a long time since I did an overseas paypal transaction.

Anyway, spend it on something important - like beer!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 09:04 AM

Yes, I'm sure Adrien would be very grateful ;-)

VT, if you'd prefer to pay by sterling cheque, send a PM to John Routledge and he'll give you details of a UK account you can lodge into, from which funds are then sent on to Max. (UK Friends of Mudcat thread)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Beer
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 09:13 AM

Lol Bonnie.
Hope you are well.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 10:56 AM

OK, I fixed the amazon links. Forgot to do it on the new server.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 11:07 AM

Mudcat Chat may need to be re-connected also. I've tried entering several times this week and get the message that I'm not logged in, but as you can see by my extant cookie, I am.

Good to see you logged in again, Sorcha! Now we'll wait to see if Kat can reassemble the bits of her crumbling cookie. . .

SRS


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: sleepyjon
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 11:58 AM

. .err . . sorry folks, but . .

Is there something somewhere that tells me how to make a contribution thro' paypal? (I don't know Mudcat all that well, and Paypal hardly at all).

I get too much information, interest and sheer fun browsing around here not to chip in something.

SJ


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 02:01 PM

Apologies, I've only just switched on to this thread.

I've come to love Mudcat. Quite a new learning experience, and a mostly fabulous one so far. Cheers Max, though I don't know who you are.... Where's the page with you and your family?

What I'd like to ask, is how do completely skint folk 'contribute'?
I'm genuinely in a shite state financially, though I do sometimes engage in charitable activity. Can I contribute in non-financial means to the maintenance of this community you have forged?

And sorry Joe etc., but DOH! For fuck Sake here's a lesson in "life the internet and everything" else for that matter here: don't send out what you don't want sent back your way... x ;-)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Jan 09 - 02:55 PM

sleepyjon, here's the info oyu requested. It can be found by clicking on the fish jumping out of the banjo logo on at the top of the main forum page. Thanks for caring and asking!

Our secure server is not currently available. You can contribute by mailing checks or money orders.

You can also use PayPal (send to max@mudcat.org).

The Mudcat Café
PO Box 3006
West Chester, PA 19381
(610) 517-8858


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:43 AM

Max - sorry to keep banging on about those wretched Amazon links, but two of them are still not quite right. USA and UK work fine, but the Canada and France ones just take you to the American site.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:37 AM

Hmmm, you're right about those links. Tricky bastards. Lets try this...


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:40 AM

Max behave ur ye'll end up ower ma knee ah'll skelp yer bahookie till yer lug ring.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:48 AM

Well, the links are giving me fits, and the chat did last weekend. I can't figure them out at the moment, so I'm going to walk away for a bit. I'll let ya'll know when I make any progress.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:03 AM

Walking is a good way to keep fit, Max.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:09 AM

It's not like Amazon CA and Amazon FR is it? They go to the right places but I don't know if Mudcat gets a piece o' da akshun.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:27 AM

Gosh that second link froze my PC Jeri


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Beer
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:34 AM

Guess you have to live in France or Quebec John.
He! he!.
Adrien


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:36 AM

Some mod fixed it. ;-) Forgot an end bracket on the address.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:58 AM

Yep, those work Jeri, and we do get credit.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:16 AM

Jeri's links above in this thread work properly, but when I try the ones on either the Mudcat main intro-page OR the click-on-the-blue-banjo page, France and Canada still take me to the good old U S of A . . . ??? Just tested it this minute.

I get the UK all right - I'm in Ireland, but surely that shouldn't make a difference, should it?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:25 AM

Yep, Bonnie. The official Mudcat links are the same as when you first posted about them. The ones I posted are a bit different.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:29 AM

I'm working on those Bonnie.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:32 AM

Sorry, I misread the dialogue - I thought people were saying they'd been fixed. Not trying to hassle you -


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:41 AM

My bad... The second link I posted in my message was embuggered, and then got unembuggered.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: olddude
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 11:17 AM

DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH IT COST MAX
I do software development, I pay for high speed lines and they don't give them away because of your smile. Forget his time it takes to keep the thing running , or the software upgrade costs, or the server upgrades, or the electric costs and he list goes on. I pay over 2000 a month for mine doing my own work

Good grief


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Louie Roy
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:42 PM

I posted to this thread on 1/20/09 and sent a check for $50.00 TO MAX AND THE ONLY THING I;M GOING TO SAY NOW IS EITHER MAKE A DONATION OR SHUT UP AND QUIT RUNNING MAX DOWN OR HE IS FINALLY GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH OF THIS BULLSHIT AND TELL US TO BLOW IT OUT OUR ASS AND SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS GIVING THE PEOPLE WHO USE THIS SITE FREE ACCESS TO A GREAT PROGRAM AND I DON'T MIND SIGNING MY NAME LOUIE ROY


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 04:57 AM

OK, so if Max (who knows we love him) gets his dog a license and names him after a well-known novelist and screenwriter, what do you have?






Legal beagle Sigal Spiegel


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:01 AM

Ugh Bonnie :)


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:02 AM

Do I get a skelp for that ?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:06 AM

He he naw lass they get saved fur special LOL


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:23 AM

My dog is legal, but I named him after the greatest guitar player to have ever been killed in a tractor accident.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Mr Red who would like to know the name
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:46 AM

I bet he is an ex-tractor fan..........


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: mandotim
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 10:05 AM

Has to be a beagle named Merle?
Tim


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:44 AM

My beagle was "Duke".... he slept more than Jed Clampett's old hound.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:50 AM

Mr Red, that was a Travisty.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:14 PM

Bonnie ..... you know I love ya, lass ..... but that would get ye a hidin' in some corners.... damn, ........ here come the giggles .......

Mick


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:18 PM

Merle


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:23 PM

Anyone who didn't figure that out from your other post needs to turn in their guitar......***chuckle***


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 12:14 AM

My Merlee, who gets called "Merle" is on the cutting edge of the Canine Layabouts At Large Brigade, an adjunct to the famous Fielding, Patterson, Lane & Swan Layabouts for Hire(not sure i got that in right order:-) He can't compete with the cats, though; they are the Originals from whom, I'll bet, all those Layabouts learned their craft!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 03:25 AM

Okay, I think the whole hoo-ha was a con job from beginning to end.

Max PM'd Sorcha, and mentioned that he was gonna ask for some money;

Sorcha PM'd him back and said that she'd help by starting a controversy where everybody would immediately leap to defend Max's honor (something he'd never think of doing, to quote Groucho) and send in money just to prove her wrong.

Then everybody jumps in and assails Sorcha for her post, all the while making donations to Max.

Then when Max notices Sorcha taking a bit more flak than she bargains for, he jumps in to defend her and end the turmoil.

Well, by golly, it worked like a charm. My cheque's on the way.

Good one, guys!

Seamus


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 05:50 AM

My candidate for Canine Layabout resides in Corvallis, Oregon, where I used to visit my mother. In a local shoe shop, the owners had a photo of their dog, another beagle, taped onto the cash register. He was lying on his cushion, fat and contented, curled up like a giant doughnut. And underneath him they'd written the caption: The Round Mound of Hound.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 06:09 AM

My bro was stationed in Germany with the RCAF... before my beagle was born. He came home for a visit and arrived while we were out. Walked in the house and Duke, near the heat register under the kitchen table, opened one eye and then went back to sleep.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 06:16 AM

Great watchdog, Gnu! If a thief comes into the house, Duke will sit there and watch him.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 10:17 AM

A friend of mine had a beagle that once lay down & went to sleep on the yellow line of a 4-lane street. Neighbors saw him and told the guy so he could rescue the dog.. (It was named Pantagruel)

He used to sit with dry dog food & dip each piece in water to JUST the right degree of softness & hand feed the dog as it lay half awake on the porch.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 10:56 AM

Leave it to a cat to get it wrong about a dog, or about layabouts. First off, you know it is LFPS. Second, no one checked with us, and you are ordered to cease and desist in this lame attempt to profit from an association with our firm (well, .... flabby firm)name. Dogs cannot be layabouts. Not possible. ..... They chase cats, they chase their tails, and they run to food dishes. Most importantly .... and this is the ultimate disqualifier ..... they lick their "stuff". Spaw, Swanno, and I all tried this one. The amount of exertion required would absolutely disqualify any applicant. Swanno, that limber wee man, got close, but his moustache got beyond the point of equilibrium and swung him too far. He ended up lickin' his own behind, barfed, and was in bed for a week.

So, no canine version. Any further incursions will result in a visit from my favorite gorilla.

Mick Lane
Founder, and Partner
LANE, FIELDING, SWAN AND PATTERSON
Layabouts at Large, and for hire
"It's the least we can do..."


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Acme
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 11:05 AM

My two pooches are tucked into their hay-filled dog houses in their stall in the garage next to the oil radiator heater as this ice storm moves over the top of us. I'm lucky they'll do as much as wag their tails at me when they want to stay in to stay warm. But the rest of the time, they're flying around the yard like bats out of hell. Their behavior today is deceiving. No layabouts there!

Now the cats, that's where you get into supreme languor. Torpid. Stupor. Catatonic. There are some great words to describe that kind of sleep.

SRS


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 11:33 AM

Hmph...*mutter, mutter*....malign a brilliant McNab's intelligence AND insult his pet cat? I'll have you know he chases nothing, not even cats nor his tail. Only daft, dumber dogs do such things and while he is not averse to a full food dish, he prefers to layabout and watch what transpires when his da is in the kitchen than to be so gauche as to run to a dish. In fact, Sir, I would venture to guess that LFPS/LFSP (research will show it both ways!) most likely are copycats of his superior techniques for which you may expect notice from his legal representatives. As to his nether regions, well, he is too polite to discuss such things publicly; far be it for him to bring up LFPS's failings.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 01:00 PM

"Only daft, dumber dogs do such things..."

I AM talking about the beagle. A dog that will roll in fresh cowshit and chase rabbits and deer until it dies of exhaustion. Call that dedication if you want. My old man called it DUKE YOU DUMBASS &*#&%*&!!


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 01:46 PM

What did he call you g?

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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 01:55 PM

Sorry guys. My Freddie is the ultimate layabout. He has been known to scratch my face in the middle of the night and when I jump up in a panic he rolls into the warm spot.


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 09 - 02:02 PM

He called me, THAT IS YOUR %^^&%^%^* DOG. HE IS GONNA SIT ON YOUR LAP ALL THE WAY HOME! AND YOU HAD BETTER NOT LET HIM TOUCH ANYTHING!!! We both got the garden hose when we got home. Woulda made a great family video.... a boy and his beagle.

SINS.... roll over?


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Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Jan 09 - 11:33 PM

Not to change the subject, but, well, yeah I guess I am changing it back:-)

Max, not complaining and maybe it has already been noted, but the advanced search is not working. Here's what I get:

Error Occurred While Processing Request

Error Diagnostic Information

Error:

Collection name not found

The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of (CFSEARCH), occupying document position (81:1) to (81:89).

Date/Time: 01/30/09 23:30:10
Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5
Remote Address: 98.127.130.37
HTTP Referrer: http://www.mudcat.org/@AdvSuperSearch.cfm


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