From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009

Subject: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 05:54 PM

Hi all. A solid 89 hours of uptime. Looks like something went right. Also, I think the supersearch is working and is no longer missing certain periods of time (though I'm not positive about that).

So, down to business. As I mentioned before, I need to outsource the hosting of mudcat for the next several months due to my move. In researching my options, I have come to consider outsourcing mudcat for good (I can hear some of you saying "It's about time!"). I found a nice reputable host that assures me they can handle the load and quirks of the mudcat. This particular host offers deep discounts for paying up front for up to 3 years of hosting. I thought maybe we could have a little fund drive and see if we can raise upwards of $1,400 to take advantage of the savings. But we'll take what we can get by the time I have to completely move out of the house, that I am desperately trying to sell, and get the best deal we can.

Trust me, I know times are tough. I can afford this probably as much as you can. Just thought I'd throw it out there and see what we can do together.

Our paypal account ([e-mail]) is most convenient due to my 225 mile proximity to the mudcat bank, but the PO Box in West Chester is paid up for a few more months and my wife has a key and can check it now and again and make deposits. And thank you in advance for anything you can do.

I won't go as far as to say that this is the last time I'll ever ask for money, but I damn sure hope it is.

Love you all,

Max

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Cllr
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 05:56 PM

Sounds good to me,
Cllr

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: maeve
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:02 PM

I'll send what I can, Max.

maeve

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:03 PM

I'm up for a small donation, but I don't use PayPal--or any other electronic thing that takes my money.

Where can I send a check, and how made out?

John

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Max
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:04 PM

Sorry,

The Mudcat Cafe (or Max Spiegel to save me a trip to a different bank)
PO Box 3006
West Chester, PA 19381

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:05 PM

Well, it might help a bit if anyone actually KNEW where all the donated money in past years has gone? I can't see ME donating anything until there is some accounting available. Sorry, Max.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:07 PM

I feel that's a little cynical Sorcha

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Janie
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:11 PM

Sent a donation through paypal, Max. thanks so much for all the work you do. May this move make that work a little easier.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:14 PM

Maybe so, Richard...but still....I think there have been several thousand dollars donated.....and there is NO accounting for any of it....

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:17 PM

And I don't see it as 'cynical' at all, Richard, just an inconvient truth. WHERE did the money actually GO?

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM

well, I tried to frame a reply, Sorch, but decided I dared not.....

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:24 PM

Dared not, Bill?????? WHAT?????

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:25 PM

Sorry, but any website that needs, wants, or solicits donations should have a transparent accounting system, IMO.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Dave Swan
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:25 PM

I figure that it's a question of whether you value what Max has done, or you don't, and that's up to you.

As far as I can see, I've gotten a great deal of information and connection out of this place and it's my choice to financially support Max and his efforts whenever I can.

D

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:26 PM

Amen, Dave.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,AC
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:27 PM

Why don't you go to another site and spend your time there, Sorcha?

Seriously, you are no more than a troll... less, really. How dare you malign Max and this site? What you have just posted is liable. Punishable under law.

Piss off.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:28 PM

WHO are you 'afraid' of Bill? Me? Max? The mods?...why do you not 'dare'?

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: s&r
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:29 PM

I haven't sent a great deal. What I have sent has been free of any restriction on my part. If it paid Max a wage I would be delighted, but I doubt it would.

I can't conceive of the level of altruism that I beleive Max has shown over some years now.

I shall send a donation to help in whatever way to keep this wonderful resource up and running.

Stu

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM

I dare not because I'd say things to you I don't like saying. 'Dare not' doesn't mean fear.

'nuff said

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: ClaireBear
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM

What Dave said. Will do my best, Max.

Claire

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM

OK, can we keep this on track and not resort to name calling and oneupmanship?

LTS

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM

Well, then, Sorry, Bill....just the way I see it. Guess we differ. Nuff said

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 06:39 PM

Well said, el Swanno. Whatever I have given over the years, small amounts though it has been, I have received back a thousand fold and more in ways which one cannot put a price to...anything I can give will be given gladly.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: artbrooks
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:08 PM

On my calendar for the 1st, when the various retirement checks come in.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Sorcha
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:17 PM

I don't care WHERE the money came from, or who gave how much...but what was it used for? WHERE did it GO?

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:24 PM

Any donations I have made to Max have been to Max. I have always said that if it went to a new server...GREAT!. If it went to a dinner out for Max and Mrs. Max (the amazingly patient Mrs. Max) that was fine too.

I will Paypal a donation Max when a check clears.

Sorcha - go sober up before you continue.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:31 PM

I think I'd sooner trust Max than some firm of accountants I've never heard of to certify that the accounts were in order. Or any firm of accountants I have heard of, for that matter.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:33 PM

Don't rile me Sorcha, I'm not one to keep quiet!

Max has given us something that money can't buy, and it is obvious to anyone who is capable of clear thinking that the money he has been given so far has been well spent. Furthermore, I don't give a rats ass how he spent it, I have been getting my money's worth and I will damn well continue to donate!
Max is a friend of mine and I will not stand back and hear anyone malign him! He's not just some stranger with his hand out you know. You have crossed the line.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:40 PM

Accountants cost. Isn't that somewhat purpose-defeating? Or is Max supposed to spend his spare time writing up and publishing all the bookkeeping?

If you don't trust him, don't come play in his back yard. Nobody's forcing you.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:41 PM

Max. there will be a generous donation in tomorrow's mail.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:43 PM

Looks like you're outvoted Sorcha. If you don't want to pay for the service, fine. Nobody is making you. The majority of us try to help out where we can because we feel that we have the best end of this deal.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: The Barden of England
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:49 PM

Time and time and time again. Just work it out the amount of time that Max has spent giving. So you want an account of that?? How about giving your time to that? Sorcha - you should be ashamed. How much time have you put in?? Money - what the hell does that mean? and which bank have you supported? Shame on you, and thank you Max. My $50 is about to be sent.
John Barden

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 07:54 PM

The Mudcat CDs, which I ramrodded through several years back, have earned over two thousand dollars for the Mudcat since their release. Sorcha was a major contributor, donating time and skill in researching titles, copyrights and such. We never questioned where the money went, although I know it went mostly for hardware upgrades at the time.

I will send some additional funds as soon as I can do so, because I value greatly all the service and friendship, connection nd access to music and to talent I have benefited as a direct result of Max' work.

I grant Max complete authority to use the dough as he sees fit without answering to me, or to anyone else AFAIAC. That's my considered position; to respond to the Mudcat universe with the same unchallenging generosity it was delivered with when I found it.


A

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:05 PM

Let's not forget folks that personal attacks are not allowed here, even if it's someone who is asking for it.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:09 PM

Don't come down hard on Sorcha. She's probably helped fundraising quite significantly with that intervention... (And in quite a lot of contexts I would totally agree with her. Just not in this case.)

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Deckman
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:10 PM

Max ... I just mailed you some CASH. Use it to take yerself and the family out to dinner ... YOU DESERVE IT! And NO ... I don't want any kind of accounting! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:13 PM

Deep breath...
So many of us have enjoyed life changing events as a result of Mudcat. I can never repay Max for the change he brought into my life.
My home, my jobs, my friends, my crazy music events all go back to Max and Mudcat.
Micca, Carole and Andrew, Tinker, Janie, Dani, Annie, Claire, Tami, Linn and Tom, John Roberts, Peter and Joanne, the FSGW crowd, even Dick Rogers and people all over the world from Iceland, Australia, England, Ireland, even Canada (LOL) and and - all from Max. I never had female friends in my life. That alone is a coup.

Captain and Mrs. Morse...

Thank you, Max

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:16 PM

She hasn't maligned him. She merely asked for accountability. Does everyone now think dissent is a form of domestic terrorism? Baa Baa

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:24 PM

She at least signs her name....

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Deckman
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:28 PM

Sins ... watch out fer female friends ... they's trouble! (bad bad bob)

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,MAG at work
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:31 PM

Amos, don't forget the wonderful songs you wrote as a Mudcat fundraiser.

Max, consider the check in the mail. (I'm still employed; fingers crossed.)

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:39 PM

On its way. Buy dog food with it.

I want a raise, SINSULL.

Dani

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: The Barden of England
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:41 PM

I didn't mean to hurt, nor malign and apologise without reservation. I do however believe that Max deserves our whole hearted appreciation for what he has given us. There are so many in this tortured world that don't know about the mudcat, and they are by far the losers in that context.
John Barden

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: curmudgeon
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:48 PM

PayPal $ tomorrow - Tom

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 08:50 PM

I almost forgot to add Deckman and bride Judy who have seen to it that I will never be penniless.
The Evil Sisterhood is watching, Bob. Careful.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 09:00 PM

John Barden, your response was reasonable, imo, and not a personal attack.

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 09:30 PM

Been here now over ten years and have sent money and cheered fundraisers and ribbed the Kid (Max).   I've gotten to know dozens and dozens of people I would never have known and they have all enriched my life through their care, thoughtfulness, intelligence, knowledge, kindness, humor, and above all..........friendship.

I'll send my $$$ as I always have with no strings attached. For all this site has done for me and many others it really matters little if Max uses it to pay a host, buy supper, put aside to send his kids to Ohio State, or wipe his ass with it. I will send it happily only wishing times were not so bad for most of us.

So if you're thinking you need an accounting or wonder where it goes or have strings attached to it.........Keep it and make it all brown. Then have a Coke and Smile......and take 'em both elsewhere.


Spaw

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: The Barden of England
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 09:32 PM

Spaw - you're a diamond and no mistake.
John Barden

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: Louie Roy
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 10:01 PM

In the last 84 years I have made donations to many different fund raiser or organizations and in my opinion this is one of the best fund raiser I've had the privledge to donate to.My check for $50.00 will be in the mail tomorrow morning/ Thanks Max for a very enjoyable 10 years Louie Roy

Subject: RE: From Max: Mudcat Update - Jan 20, 2009
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 20 Jan 09 - 11:13 PM

Max -- money coming from my next commission check. Do with it what you will .... how can you ask for an accounting of anyone's personal time and commitment. Keep it going Max - Mudcat is a treasure......