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Subject: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 31 Jan 09 - 07:12 PM This problem must be resolved! How can a state function without a state insect, a state flower, a state dinosaur, a state mineral, and, especially, a state song? A song to inspire, to uplift, to make the bosom swell with pride? From the Associate Press: MOUNT LAUREL, N.J. (AP) -- New Jersey, the only state without an official song, is considering adopting four of them. Chances are, none of them is on your iPod. After decades of bickering over which single tune best represents the Garden State, a lawmaker is seeking harmony by naming official songs in four different categories. They're all by New Jersey artists who aren't well known in the music world. The state's anthem would be Patrick Finley's "New Jersey, My Home;" the pop song would be Mark and Ellen Winter's "Be Proud to Be in New Jersey;" the children's song would be "In New Jersey," which has lyrics inspired by a fourth-grade class; and the ballad would be Nelson Trout's "New Jersey, USA." |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ebbie Date: 31 Jan 09 - 08:42 PM Huzzah!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Bobert Date: 31 Jan 09 - 08:46 PM Howz 'bout that "Dirty Water" song??? Who did that one, anyway... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 31 Jan 09 - 09:06 PM If you're thinking about the same "Dirty Water" song I am, Boberdz, it was about Boston, not NJ. It was by the Standells. I think every wannabe guitar player growin' up in the '60s learned it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: pdq Date: 31 Jan 09 - 09:57 PM trivia: The song "Dirty Water" was written by Ed Cobb, a founding member of the Four Preps (as in Santa Catalina, aka 26 Miles). The chief motivating force behind the Four Preps was Glen A. Larson who went on to produce television shows such as "Battle Star Galactica", "Magnum PI" and "Alias Smith and Jones". Wish we had a few TV shows like that now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Big Mick Date: 31 Jan 09 - 11:58 PM I think it ought be "The Rolling Mills of New Joisey". Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: EBarnacle Date: 01 Feb 09 - 12:44 AM Big Mick got there before me. EB |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: RangerSteve Date: 01 Feb 09 - 08:13 AM We've got all the other state stuff, the flower is the violet, the bird is the goldfinch, the tree is the red maple, the dinosaur is (I think) the hadrosaur, or something like that, the insect is the honeybee, the animal is the horse (a boring choice, but there are lots of horse breeders here). There's even a state soil. Rolling Mills of NJ isn't even a good parody. Written by someone who obviously never even spent a minute in NJ. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: GUEST,Dani Date: 01 Feb 09 - 08:26 AM We've had one for decades, Rapaire. It's Bruce's "Born To Run", and everyone who's spent any time in Jersey knows that's the 'real' one: "baby this town rips the bones from your back, it's a death trap it's a suicide rap we got to get out while we're young 'cause tramps like us, baby we were born to run" Dani (who love Jersey in spite of itself) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 01 Feb 09 - 10:39 AM You mean it's different from "By the Rivers Gently Flowing, Illinois" or "Banks of the Wabash"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Desert Dancer Date: 01 Feb 09 - 11:58 AM Well, considering that "The Rolling Mills..." was penned by a Brit ex-pat resident in New York, it's a not-surprising parody based on the NJ stereotype... for me it's useful to have those sorts of stories about to limit the population growth. Y' don't want everybody coming in to trample on the Pine Barrens, or all those nice green rural bits, etc.... ;-) ~ Becky, NJ ex-pat now in Arizona (and a frequent defender) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: dwditty Date: 01 Feb 09 - 12:07 PM There really is only one song that adequately captures the feel of New Jersey: GARDEN STATE STOMP Every word in the song is the name of a town in New Jersey - you can look it up. dw |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: RangerSteve Date: 01 Feb 09 - 07:12 PM Becky, they are trampling the nice green bits. "They" are yuppies, who want to live in the country and manage to bring the worst of the city with them, mostly in the form of traffic jams and obnoxious behavior. The pinelands are preserved, fortunately, and will never be built up. Dwditty - Thanks. I forgot that song. It's probably the best Jersey song ever written. As for "Born to Run", it's a pretty depressing song, and only represents the worst parts of the state. Every state has a part that the residents wish wasn't there. A state song should be one that anyone can sing. Rock songs don't fall into that category. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: GUEST,Dani Date: 01 Feb 09 - 09:16 PM I beg to differ. I just watched THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS sing that song with him at the S'Bowl, and I'm sure they sounded just fine. I make the suggestion with tongue in cheek, but the parts of Jersey that Bruce sings about are part of the fabric, not just the worst parts. Ask everyone who grew up along Route 9, 130, etc! State songs are silly. They are kind of like school songs; mostly anthems that are 'for the record', but no one ever really sings them, do they? Dani |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 01 Feb 09 - 09:52 PM Does anyone even know their words? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ron Davies Date: 01 Feb 09 - 11:15 PM What's that song about "Paddle Down the Rahway"? That's a good one, as I recall. A bit more bucolic than "death-trap, suicide rap". For the Garden State--which is actually more than exit numbers. |
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Subject: ADD: The Old North State (Gaston/Randolph) From: GUEST,Dani Date: 02 Feb 09 - 07:43 AM With mixed feelings, I submit the song of my adopted home: THE OLD NORTH STATE Written by William Gaston Composed by Mrs. E. E. Randolph Carolina! Carolina! Heaven's blessings attend her! While we live we will cherish, protect and defend her; Tho' the scorner may sneer at and witlings defame her, Still our hearts swell with gladness whenever we name her. Hurrah! Hurrah! The Old North State forever! Hurrah! Hurrah! The good Old North State! Tho' she envies not others, their merited glory, Say whose name stands the foremost, in Liberty's story, Tho' too true to herself e'er to crouch to oppression, Who can yield to just rule a more loyal submission? Hurrah! Hurrah! The Old North State forever! Hurrah! Hurrah! The good Old North State! Plain and artless her sons, but whose doors open faster At the knock of a stranger, or the tale of disaster. How like the rudeness of the dear native mountains, With rich ore in their bosoms and life in their fountains. Hurrah! Hurrah! The Old North State forever! Hurrah! Hurrah! The good Old North State! And her daughters, the Queen or the forest resembling So graceful, so constant, yet the gentlest breath trembling. And true lightwood at heart, let the match be applied them, How they kindle and flame! Oh! none know but who've tried them. Hurrah! Hurrah! The Old North State forever! Hurrah! Hurrah! The good Old North State! Then let all those who love us, love the land that we live in, As happy a region as on this side of heaven, Where plenty and peace, love and joy smile before us, Raise aloud, raise together the heart thrilling chorus. Hurrah! Hurrah! The Old North State forever! Hurrah! Hurrah! The good Old North State! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 02 Feb 09 - 08:51 AM Iffen ya think that's bad: Here We Have Idaho Written by McKinley Helm & Albert J. Tompkins Composed by Sallie Hume-Douglas You've heard of the wonders our land does possess, It's beautiful valleys and hills, The majestic forests where nature abounds, We love every nook and rill. chorus And here we have Idaho Winning her way to fame. Silver and gold in the sunlight blaze, and romance lies in her name. Singing, we're singing of you, Ah, proudly too, All our lives thru, we'll go Singing, singing of you, Singing of Idaho. There's truly one state in this great land of ours Where ideals can be realized. The pioneers made it so for you and me, A legacy we'll always prize. chorus |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Big Mick Date: 02 Feb 09 - 10:31 AM My comment was tongue in cheek. I lived and worked in New Jersey, and I expect my daughter, when she is on her own, will move back there. I am a Michigan boy, but I loved the place, and its people are unique and greatly misunderstood. Once you get outside of the Newark/Elizabeth areas, and parts of Trenton, New Jersey is really a collection of small towns with a great lifestyle. I lived in Berlin which is in South Jersey, across the bridges from Philly. One could not ask for a nicer place. Spent a great deal of time wandering in the Pine Barrens. I would often go at night, especially foggy nights, and see if I could have an encounter with the Jersey Devil. The old bugger never did show. It is a great State, with a rich and facinating history, and lovely people with a unique way about them. In my next life, I am going to marry a diner waitress......LOL. Love their attitude!!! All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: PoppaGator Date: 02 Feb 09 - 03:28 PM Before I even started to try selecting any particular song, my immediate reaction was that ONLY a Springsteen song would fill the bill. "Born to Run" includes a negative thought or two, but the overall feeling and message are quite joyous. I like it! Also, for the very many members of my (baby-boom) age group, New Jersey was a place to be born and raised and then to leave ~ at least for those of us with thoughts of attending college. For years, New Jersey was #1 among the fifty United States in exporting college students; that is, the highest ratio of college-age citizens to places at in-state institutions (Ohio was the #1 importer of out-of-state college students.) Anyway, if "Born to Run" paints too negative a picture of The Boss's New Jersey roots, how 'bout "Glory Days"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 02 Feb 09 - 03:32 PM Possibly sung to the tune of "O Tannebaum", a/k/a "Maryland My Maryland": Michigan, My Michigan Written by: William Otto Miessner & Douglas M. Malloch A song to thee, fair State of mine, Michigan, my Michigan; But greater song than this is thine, Michigan, my Michigan; The whisper of the forest tree, The thunder of the inland sea; Unite in one grand symphony Of Michigan, my Michigan. I sing a State of all the best, Michigan, my Michigan; I sing a State with riches blest, Michigan, my Michigan; Thy mines unmask a hidden store, But richer thy historic lore, More great the love thy builders bore, Oh, Michigan, my Michigan. How fair the bosom of thy lakes, Michigan, my Michigan; What melody each river makes; Michigan, my Michigan; As to thy lakes the rivers tend, Thy exiled children to thee send Devotion that shall never end, Oh, Michigan, my Michigan. Thou rich in wealth makes a State, Michigan, my Michigan; Thou great in things that make us great, Michigan, my Michigan; Out loyal voices sound thy claim Upon the golden roll of fame Our loyal hands shall write the name Of Michigan, my Michigan. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Alice Date: 02 Feb 09 - 03:46 PM I'm with Big Mick. That's the song that came to my mind. ... and what a great singalong it is |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: EBarnacle Date: 03 Feb 09 - 12:44 PM Actually, Rolling Mills came to John while he was in a traffic jam near the Elizabeth Exxon refinery on the NJ Turnpike. I believe he was on his way to Baltimore for a gig at Bertha's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 12:55 PM Any NJ state song has to mention pork roll. In fact, it could be all about pork roll. That would be good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Big Mick Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:07 PM Ahh Ruth, at last a voice reason and sanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:27 PM My contacts with New Jersey are via the Turnpike, driving into and through New York City, and Newark Airport. None of these are very appealing to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Big Mick Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:35 PM Get off the Turnpike, Mike, and head east into the areas between it and the ocean. Some really great places. Very pretty State and lovely people. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:44 PM And try the pork roll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Big Mick Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:48 PM Most definitely the pork roll. And if you are up for it when you are in South Jersey, give scrapple a try with your eggs. Definitely an acquired taste. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: pdq Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:50 PM Hoboken Saturday Night ~ Insect Trust Palisades Park ~ (written by) Chuck Barris |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Desert Dancer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 02:27 PM Well, the thing with cliches is that they're true in some cases... there definitely are ugly spots in New Jersey, and more and more of them. You definitely have to get off the Turnpike to see the good stuff! (But if you want to get from New York City to Baltimore without pause, the Turnpike is the fastest route...) ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 02:29 PM Ah, Scrapple - the compressed scrapings off the abbatoir floor. Very South Philly, though - I think the song should stick to pork roll - or, as some philistines apparently call it, Taylor Ham. The meat that divides New Jersey |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: PoppaGator Date: 03 Feb 09 - 02:29 PM I had forgotten that Chuck Barris wrote "Palisades Park," as recorded by Freddy "Boom Boom" Cannon. Palisades Park was a few miles out of my usual orbit ~ I did most of my amusement-park-riding Down The Shore ~ but I went on one group field trip there at about age 10. Oh, and have that pork roll on a Hard Roll, if you can still find a decent old-style New Jersey bakery. I left NJ more or less for good in 1961, but thanks to Hurricane Katrina, my family and I spent several interesting months there over the winter of '05-'06. Something that was new to me, that I didn't remember from my childhood/teenage years: several diners offered Taylor ham as a selection you could order with your eggs, an alternative to just-plain "ham," or bacon or sausage. I think that Taylor ham is a brand name for good old pork roll, but I'm not sure. Can anyone clarify this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 02:55 PM have a look at the link I posted, Poppagator - all will become clear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: PoppaGator Date: 03 Feb 09 - 03:12 PM How serendipidous, Ruth ~ you posted while I was typing. I just checked out your link and learned more about taylor ham than I'll ever need to know. I just joined Facebook last week, so I can officialy sign up with the Friends of Taylor Ham if I want to! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 03:26 PM I am no friend of Taylor ham. I am a champion of pork roll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Desert Dancer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:11 PM I was thinking "pork roll -- must be a South Jersey thing?" and sure enough... www.jerseyporkroll.com ~ Becky, a northerner |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:12 PM New Jersey could do worse than to be without a state song. I grew up in Maryland. It's state song is a lament that the North invaded Maryland during the Civil War. It is very politically uncorrect. Now I live in Virginia. They "did away with" the old state song, "Carry me back to old Virginny" since references to "darkies" and such no longer seemed appropriate. There was an effort to have a "new" state song, but there was no agreement on what it should be and there was great disagreement in reference to the entries in a state-wide contest. Roger in Baltimore |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Desert Dancer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:20 PM Scrapple is a Pennsylvania import, of course. I suppose if you're talking "pork roll" instead of "Taylor ham" that explains your bringing it up. (My mother was 1/2 Pennsylvania Dutch, so we had it some, too...) Where is the line between North & South Jersey? -- I think I posted about this before; now New Jersey: the Movie is out with all the answers. ;-) Now what I want to know is why today's New York Times (or perhaps that's the answer in itself) would refer to Morris County as "central New Jersey" in their article about yesterday's earthquake. Of course, it is central North Jersey... ~ Becky in Tucson, a Morris County gal |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: SINSULL Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:38 PM Shake, Rattle and Roll? They had an earthquake Yesterday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Feb 09 - 05:21 PM It's simple: if you're from South Jersey, you have a South Jersey accent (closer to a Philly accent). If you have a North Jersey accent (closer to a New York accent; you might even say Joisey - does anyone really say that?), you're from North Jersey. I think Toms River is still South Jersey, while Trenton pretty much starts North Jersey. Discuss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 03 Feb 09 - 10:03 PM What the folks in Pennsylvania called "scrapple" we called "panhaus" -- here's a recipe from my Uncle: Take about a cup of cornmeal, put it in a pan of cold water and stir it somewhat. Put this aside for the time being. Put a couple quarts of water in a pan. Dice small a couple of onions and put into this pan. Toss in ham (cut away as much fat as you can) and, if you wish, a hambone. Cook it all together until the onion is cooked. When the onion is cooked, pull out the hambone (if any) and put in the cornmeal, water and all. Cook it for a couple or five minutes. Put in a cup or two of buckwheat and, while cooking, stir it 'til your arm is going to fall off from stirring. Then stir it some more. Pour the now-thick mixture into a loaf pan and let it cool. To serve, slice it from the loaf and fry in grease until it is crispy on the outside -- has a crispy crust. The more ham the better -- cracklings are traditional, "but they're nothin'." Play with the recipe 'til you get it to where you like it. The corn meal is needed to make the loaf slice well. Don't put the corn meal into the hot water first or you'll have doughballs. Follow the recipe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Feb 09 - 03:23 AM I really want to see the film, Becky! The trailer even has pork roll in it. For this South Jersey girl is ALWAYS subs and Wawa, not hoagies and 7-11. :) The UK has something quite similar to Scrapple, which is called Hazlet. It comes originally from Lincolnshire, where I live. But it's eaten cold and sliced thinly, like a luncheon meat, not fried with breakfast, and is a bit firmer than Scrapple. It's still vile. Rapaire, your Scrapple recipe has no spices. The stuff my dad ate (he grew up in Philly) had lots of sage and black pepper in it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: RangerSteve Date: 04 Feb 09 - 03:35 AM I have a scrapple recipe that uses ground beef. The ingredients for Parks brand lists pork snouts, ears and tails. I always thought Parks was the best scrapple around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Feb 09 - 03:54 AM That's the one my dad ate, Steve. As I said earier,"The compressed scrapings off the abbatoir floor." It's also not a million miles from Irish white pudding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: GUEST,Dani Date: 04 Feb 09 - 06:12 AM Ruth, you're cracking me up! Here's my goodbye to NJ story; we were packing up and cleaning while the moving truck guys loaded up. At some point I said I was running out to the Wawa, and did they want anything. ".... huh?..." not sure what I was offering them. Lord, they were from Alabama, ma'am, and what please is 'WahWahh?'. It's a store! Would you like some hoagies? Even funnier! They didn't laugh when they ate 'em, though. There are things to miss about NJ! Dani (of the Philly end) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Rapparee Date: 04 Feb 09 - 09:04 AM That's because, Ruth, he said you can spice it any way you want. He likes it a bit spicy, but others don't. So he wouldn't give me any spices for it. He also said that you needn't use ham -- you could use any bits of meat you had around, as "they did during the Depression." My Uncle would not give me his recipes for either sauerkraut or hausenpfieffer -- he said they "weren't very good." Goetta (pronounced "gerta") is a similar dish from the Cincinnati area. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Feb 09 - 09:24 AM Atlantic County right here, Dani! Though you intrigue me with your knowledge of Wawa yet your use of "hoagie" instead of "sub"...are you from Camden? Rapaire - no matter what you call it or where it comes from, it's wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 04 Feb 09 - 09:53 AM Pork roll is also a tradition in North Jersey, although it is probably more popular in the south. "Hoagies" is not used as much as it used to, but I do remember in High School here in North Jserey we had an annual "hoagie" sale to support the senior class. Nowadays "sub" seems to the term everyone uses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Jersey State Song From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Feb 09 - 10:55 AM I suspect that's because of ther ubiquitousness of Subway, Ron - we even have them in the UK. Subs? Ha! I wouldn't feed that to my dog. I may be ever so slightly biased, but I think the subs on the Jersey shore are the best. In the world. Ever. *I could murder a cheese steak from White House or Sacko's right now!* |
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