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Does rock music pay any better?

GUEST,Guest 02 Feb 09 - 09:18 PM
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GUEST,Robert Zimmerman 02 Feb 09 - 11:29 PM
GUEST,Suzie Rotolo 03 Feb 09 - 01:02 AM
Little Hawk 03 Feb 09 - 01:45 AM
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Richard Bridge 03 Feb 09 - 09:25 AM
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Subject: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 09:18 PM

Hello All. As a long time lurker I thought this might be a good place to ask an opinion.

Do you think the average rock gig pays any better than a folk music gig?

Here's why I ask. For the past several years I have made a few extra dollars playing folk music. Nothing great as far as the money goes, but it has managed to support my music wants when it comes to equipment and supplies.

I also play in a blues/rock garage band for fun. However, we were recently presented with an opportunity to play a "paid" gig. The pay is a joke, about 200 USD for four people. I have informed my band mates that I'll do the gig because they really want to play out. But I've also informed them that I won't be making it a steady thing at that rate of pay.

I've informally kept tabs on the local rock band pay for the area bars and it ranges from 300 USD to 450 USD for a four-hour set for the average no name bar band. Add in an hour minimum to set up and an hour minimum to tear down, plus travel time back and forth, divided by the usual four to five members of the band and you are working for next to nothing per hour.

This is why I've stuck with the folk stuff. The actual per hour rate of pay has been better.

I was just wondering if any of my fellow folk musicians have also dabbled in the electric world and what you have to offer by way of comparisons on the money of folk music verses rock or blues.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 09:26 PM

Become an electrician, plumber or sheet metal worker. Do the music to enrich your soul.

When rock people hit, they can and sometimes do make big bucks. By definition, if you become a millionaire playing folk, you started with two million (thanks, Utah).


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 09:37 PM

Rock music doesn't necessarily pay better, but the drugs are generally of higher quality and the women's pants come off more easily.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Peace
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 09:40 PM

AMEN!


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,Robert Zimmerman
Date: 02 Feb 09 - 11:29 PM

Yes, definitely


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,Suzie Rotolo
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:02 AM

Uh huh!


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:45 AM

For the very few who make it big, both rock and folk music pay extremely well. For the rest of us....Ha!!! ;-) We do it because we like it, not because of the money.

If your folk gigs are paying you better than the rock bands then I'd say stick with the folk gigs.

"Zimmerman" could have and would have made a fortune whether or not he ever started playing rock music. Trust me. His extraordinary songwriting skills and his general savvy and adaptability guaranteed it...given the social conditions that existed at the time. Timing can be everything.

God knows what would happen to someone like him now, born into these days of TV-dominated crap like American Idol...but he was perfectly placed in time in the early 60s to do what he did. There was an opening there, and he fit the bill to a T. You cannot beat great talent combined with absolutely perfect timing. Same went for the Beatles and the Stones and the others who made it big back then. Their timing was right on, and they had what it took.

The mass media entertainment scene now is so sick and phony and empty in comparison that I don't much like even thinking about it.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Darowyn
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:59 AM

Playing any style of music in bars and any remaining clubs seems to produce worse returns than washing the glasses in such establishments.
The people who, at least up until recently, were making decent fees from playing were the function bands who play up-market weddings etc. and corporate events.
Forget folk and rock, get yourself a cabaret act.Locally, I can think of a duo who do a Noel Coward tribute, a fun time covers band who turn up wearing Fezzes and sungasses, and a guy who impersonates Gene Pitney in the first set, and Roy Orbison in the second.
They are earning about eight times the fee you mentioned.
Cheers
Dave


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 06:01 AM

I `ad that Mick Jagger in my cab the other day.
`e said, " `ere Jim, could you take me to the folk club at `The Crown and Greyhound` in Dulwich please?"
I said, "What, that one we calls `The Dog`? Blimey, you`re not singing there are you? Fallen on `ard times, rock and roll turned sour or something?"
`e said, "Nah, not likely Jim. I own the place. I just wanna check `ow them folk singers are treating it and collect the rent!!

Whaddam I Like??


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Faye Roche
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 07:13 AM

I can tell you from my experience that playing in a pop/rock covers band DOES pay quite a lot better. In my case it's the difference between earning £200-300 a night (each) and playing in swanky hotel ballrooms with our own dressing rooms, and earning zero most of the time in folk clubs, apart from one booking so far, which paid me £50.

Given the choice between going back to the function band circuit or going to work in a factory, I'd probably come down on the side of the function band, but it would be a close call.

I started playing folk music because I discovered, only two years or so ago, that I love it. But it's a labour of love, not a career move!


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 09:25 AM

An established tribute band can do fairly well, and I suspect that a "function" band can too.

If you want to play low-down dirty rock I'd ahve thought that Gg was not far off.

If you want to play original rock material, it's "Pay to play".


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:16 PM

I'm pretty sure that, in most places, a greater quantity of paying rock/pop gigs are available than folk spots. Some of those rock gigs pay better than others. Generally, the more "creative" or personally satisfying the music, the lower the pay. Cover bands can make good money.

You have a point about the setup and breakdown time; people can easily fail to include that when figuring pay-per-hour. I've observed my kid brother ~ an excellent drummer who managed to avoid day-job involvement for many years ~ laboring hard and long before and after every performance. Very stark contrast to the lot of a solo acoustic-guitar-and-vocals act, who can quickly and easily breeze in and out of the venue.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:23 PM

The top of the tree definitely pays a lot better. How many folk multi-millionaires are there?


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Richie
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 01:40 PM

Speaking of trees, to me the question is like comparing apples and oranges.

There are too many variables to assess anything. Right now, making any money at all is preferable!

Obviously solo type gigs would pay more at low fees (less to divide). The more popular the style of music the more potential for success but also you have more competition.

Hold onto your day job.

Richie


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 02:41 PM

For as long as you can


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 03:02 PM

Figure in the psychic costs.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 04:48 PM

In our neck of the woods Polka Bands seem to do a lot better than either rock or folk. They tend to make more during just the month of June than the others do during the entire year.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 06:06 PM

My son is one of the two original members of a local rock band that has been around for going on nine years now. It is truly a numbers game. There must be a couple of hundred local bands, plus ones that come in from Los Angeles area to play locally. It has taken a lot of politicking, playing gradually better venues, developing a following and trying to be heard by promoting and self-recording, producing and distributings their own CD's. They don't cover others' material, preferring to do their own compositions. They all work full time to support their "music habit." Since they rehearse at least three or four times a week, social life is not too grand, but they all say they wouldn't trade the life.

If you "make it," rock definitely pays better - but it's a huge IF.
One thing about folk music that always appealed to me was that I could take it with me, play it anywhere and have it my whole life. I had a brief fling as a member of a trio back in the 1960's for a couple of years. We had an agent who booked us into all sorts of night clubs, county fairs - anywhere she could. We enjoyed some modest success, but it was a grind being constantly on the road and living out of a single hotel room to save money. If it's in your genes and you need to do it, by all means do it. Just make sure it's something you love to do, whether it pays or not.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: oggie
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 06:41 PM

If you are in a decent covers, tribute or even C&W and get regular work in clubs etc and can stand the boredom then it will pay more than folk. If you are in an originals band it's in the lap of the Gods. Do you work hard, are you good and do you get the breaks? You won't know until you've been doing it for a few years. If you make it big in rock then you'll make more money so long as you have a good lawyer and don't get screwed along the way. If you want security and have a day job then enjoy your music and be a folkie :)

Steve


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Feb 09 - 07:13 PM

Just a quick observation. People who go out to club "A" like to drink, talk, flirt and dance. Clubs that encourage this type of behavior generally prosper. If a band encourages those activities, and they can entice the crowd to stay til 1:30 AM doing that, then they get paid for it.
If a band or performer expects to perform at Club "B" to a rapt, silent audience of mildly inebriated people who go home at 10:15, then he gets paid appropriately for that as well. I would hazard the guess that there are far more Club As than Bs. Supply and demand, you know.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 09:51 AM

My impression is that rock music pays worse, unless you hit the big time. At a club level, you might working on a low guarantee against the door in a folk club, as opposed to a "we'll pay £1 for every person you bring after the 50th" kind of deal in most rock oriented clubs.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 10:41 PM

Thank you all for sharing your advice and experience. I've learned not to take my music too serious as it takes the fun out of it. At the moment I've got a decent day job so I won't be quitting anytime soon. I just thought it interesting that my band mates have taken a slightly different viewpoint regarding the money than I have. Perhaps it is because I've had the advantage of being paid for the folk gigs and they haven't.

I agree with the offered advice that I should concentrate on the fun part of music. But I would also add that I think too many musicians pay too little attention to the business part of the music business. A fellow musician told me a long time ago, every time a musician plays a venue for free, or next to free, it brings the market down. Let's face it, a lot of clubs, either folk or rock, have a steady flow of free acts that they are "allowing" to get exposure. I recognize that every venue must be judged individually. I don't expect a mom and pop venue to have the same resources as a large club. But when the bouncer makes more than the entire band put together then I'd say the band is not getting a fair deal.

I've also noticed that the younger the player the more willing they are to play for free. I had a college kid working part time at my day job who was proud of the fact that his band had "played out" about ten times in the last year. As I am always interested in what the local music pay scale is offering I asked what they were getting paid. He responded that he once got five dollars for gas. Otherwise, they got nothing for all those gigs! Maybe I'm showing my age, but my time has some value.

I'll keep the music fun and not worry too much about the money. But it will play a factor in deciding when and where to play if only to keep the market from totally collapsing.

Again, thank for responding to my question


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 11:22 PM

Stick to a steady day job...........
..........................

Like Waiting On Tables

It pays better....and you can always always bring home the left-over baked potatoes for next morning's breakfast.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 11:29 PM

Lad - you have probably evolved to the greatest lesson in your entire life!!!

RE:

I've learned not to take my music too serious as it takes the fun out of it.

PLAY - HARD

HAVE - FUN ......HAVE - FUN.......HAVE - FUN.....Have Fun

BE - SAFE

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 04 Feb 09 - 11:43 PM

Your "friend" that said..."every time a musician plays a venue for free, or next to free, it brings the market down."

Their advis is full of Sh88ty, Cr*py, jealousy.

If your are worth it...they will pay

BUT....Until you are worth it...play, play, play...anywhere, EVERY where...and when you have refined your skills over and over and over again.... and networked, networked, networked....you WILL become a KNOWN within the local community.

Why do you play? FOR FUN! If you have fun...the audience will have fun. EVERYONE~!!!! will pay for FUN. (even vicarious fun just look at the (no pain) sorry excuse for talent in "Guitar Hero.")

Refine your talents before ANY living audience AND 10,000 hours later (given current research) you may begin to master the territory of your chosen talent.

Sincerely,
Garagoyle

One third of the way to "Mudcat Posting Mastery" at 3,300....and only a humble servant to my mistress who is at 30,000


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 02:14 AM

In the UK (I don't know how it works elsewhere) the folks clubs largely depend on floor singers who perform for free. At best, they might get free or reduced entry to the club. If the clubs had to pay every floor singer they wouldn't survive, let alone be able to pay the main guest.

Not only is this a core part of what makes folk clubs what they are, it gives performers an opportunity to develop their skills. Some will go on to doing paid gigs, others will not.

The rock world doesn't really have the equivalent, so unpaid gigs are their main opportunity to play before an audience, develop their performing skills, and build up a following, which will allow them to get paid gigs in future.

It is also wrong to assume that these venues would pay for a band if they couldn't get one to do it for free. I many cases I suspect they would decide not to.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: matt milton
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 08:47 AM

In answer to the question: a big emphatic no.

In fact, I would say you are much more likely to be paid at a folk gig.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 Feb 09 - 12:22 PM

The bottom line is that if you play what you want to play, "rock" or "folk", you are going to do it strictly for love. If you play what a large audience wants to hear, you can make money.

There certainly are more opportunities to play rock/pop music for money than to play folk music. Given that, I've seen plenty of evidence that it is possible to make a living playing folk music, and I think that, in terms of making money, the kind of music you play isn't as important a how you present it.


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Subject: RE: Does rock music pay any better?
From: Musket
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 05:51 AM

When I was in my late teens, I played in a rock band and also in the folk clubs.

Folk clubs were a relaxing enjoyment and the rock music was fun, but most importantly paid the bills.

I was always careful not to get carried away and rely on folk for a living, (assuming I had been good enough...) because some of the fun would go out of it. I go to watch acts on the small theatre / arts centre circuit who tour all year just to make a living and wonder if they enjoy it as much as somebody who doesn't have to work so hard?

Uk, in the late '70s. Rock paid more, lots more.


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