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BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009

JennieG 12 Dec 19 - 05:04 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: JennieG
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 05:04 AM

Canadians too, Bruce - they have come here, and our fire fighters have also gone over there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Bruce D
Date: 12 Dec 19 - 04:49 AM

........" 'Smells like it's time to go to work': American firefighters arrive in Sydney

I was wrong earlier, I thought Americans firefighters had been here in the past. "...........


There is a regular exchange program between USA and the various Australian States, for firefighers to assist each other country in times of extreme fire. The first time I heard of American firefighters was for the 1994 NSW fires. At the monment I believe there firefighters from New Zealand, USA as well possibly Greece and Spain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 08:26 PM

Post by wife of a volunteer goes viral - This post has now had more than 80,000 views.

Open letter by firefighter to Prime Minister in Murdoch paper

Govt responds to calls for more water bombers with $11m for aerial firefighting Funding injection to National Aerial Firefighting Centre comes days after Morrison rejected calls for more help for firefighters


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Dec 19 - 07:20 AM

Australia Burns Again, and Now Its Biggest City Is Choking - New York Times

Prime Minister Scott Morrison rejects calls for more bushfire help, saying volunteer firefighters 'want to be there' The prime minister disagrees the federal government could do more as ‘nationally coordinated effort’ is in place
The prime minister has rejected calls for more help for firefighters as the New South Wales bushfire crisis is expected to worsen.

There were 85 fires burning across NSW on Tuesday, and 42 were uncontrolled. With predictions of temperatures surpassing 40C and a wind change for the afternoon, firefighters expected conditions to deteriorate.

About 2,700 firefighters are in the field, many from volunteer NSW Rural Fire Service brigades.

As smoke brought the city’s air quality to more than 11 times the hazardous level, Scott Morrison spoke in Sydney about the religious discrimination bill.
Asked about concerns over how long the tens of thousands of volunteer firefighters – many who have been away from work for weeks now – were expected to continue without pay, Morrison said they “want to be there”.

“These fires have been going on for some months now and when I was speaking with the commissioner on the weekend out where we have the megafire at the moment we were talking through the crew rotations,” he said.

“And the fact is these crews, yes, they’re tired, but they also want to be out there defending their communities. And so we do all we can to rotate the shifts to give them those breaks but … in many cases you’ve got to hold them back to make sure they get that rest. And I thank them all for what they’re doing, particularly all those who support them.”

He rejected suggestions that volunteer firefighters – who reportedly make up the largest volunteer firefighting force in the world – should be professionalised

“The volunteer effort is a big part of our natural disaster response and it is a big part of how Australia has always dealt with these issues,” Morrison said.

“We are constantly looking at ways to better facilitate the volunteer effort, but to professionalise that at that scale is not a matter that has previously been accepted and it’s not currently under consideration by the government.”

There are reports of RFS brigades crowdfunding or seeking donations for water and food for those in the field.

Read on if you feel so inclined. I was listening to a volunteer today, who had put in a 10 hour overnight shift fighting fires (not his first such shift), had 2 hours sleep then went to his office, he's a small businessman & needs his income.

The Bawley Point Rural Fire Brigade & another village brigade (Kiola) set up a crowd funding page wanting $5000 & got $45,000.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: JennieG
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 04:58 PM

Re Jack's comment of a couple of days ago about media coverage of the fires:

Remember, the media will always go for the dramatic "flames reaching for the sky" photos - not the photos showing ordinary people going about their daily business. Yes, there are a lot of fires right now after an early start to the annual - remember that word, annual - fire season. This year is a bad year, exacerbated by the ongoing drought.

Australia has millions upon millions of eucalyptus trees, and they burn. Nature designed them to burn; the leaves don't break down in mulch, they are full of oil. Distilling eucalyptus oil is an industry which has been going on for many years. These trees can erupt in flame - there's that wonderful photo opportunity! Once the flames are out many of those trees prepare to regenerate, which they do at the first sign of rain.

Seeds of other Aussie plant species, banksias for one, need the heat of fire to break open hard woody pods to release the seeds inside.

In recent years fires in California have been very bad. Some time ago someone decided that, as parts of California and parts of Australia have similar climates, eucalyptus trees could also grow well in California! Well - guess what?

I'll get off me soap box now and have brekky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 09:31 AM

'Smells like it's time to go to work': American firefighters arrive in Sydney

I was wrong earlier, I thought Americans firefighters had been here in the past.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Andrez
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:35 AM

We've just opened a chicken evacuation centre for our friends at Tambo Crossing. The 9 little ones needing care will be arriving tomorrow morning along with their carer. The worry is a fire to the west of their property being driven eastwards as we speak.

Cheers,

Andrez


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: JennieG
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 11:42 PM

Today has been very smoky - we are 5-6 hours drive north-west from Sydney, with fires between us and the coast. Depending on wind direction we can have clear days (the last few days have been clear, thank goodness) or smoky, or very smoky. Today is very smoky, and the air quality is regarded as "hazardous".

The one saving grace is that, at present, there aren't any fires too near.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:58 PM

Look up "Indian Ocean Dipole".

The mechanism is well understood and the news is not good. No this is not just the same as before.

The other end of the IOD has the potential to be even more destructive - there are currently five tropical storms in the Indian Ocean, most of them likely to hit Africa, which has never experienced anything like that in recorded history. Africa is getting all the rain Australia isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Bruce D
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:55 PM

And Sandra, I'll disagree with you.

The Australian Federal Government has its hands tied, Bushfire's and the response to them are a matter for each State Governments, unless they call a state of emergency and ask for federal assistance, then our PM isn't allowed to deploy our military to assist, or he can do is offer money for aid to the victims (only after getting the bills passed through those smug labor and cross benchers).

The other thing to remember is that our military only has a few trained fire fighters, most of those are in the Navy. One of the worst thing you can do is put untrained people into a high risk envirnoment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Bruce D
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:45 PM

These Bushfires are not unusual in Australia.

this thread started in 2009 because of a similar bushfire season, we another bad year in 2012 along with other bad bushfire seasons before and after those.

One of the worst bushfire seasons in my living memory was in 1994, where Sydney was completely surounded by Bushfires and all major highways except for one was cut, along with bushfires within Sydney itself. Along with much of the NSW mountain and coastal regions. I spent a couple of days fighting one of the major fires in the south of the city. Luckily there was only a few lives lost and the number of homes destroyed limited.

I'm reliable told that Australia's worst Bushfires were in 1938/9 where nearly all of Eastern Victoria was burn along with parts of NSW and South Australia, 100's of towns and farms were destoryed.

The reason we are having such a bad fire season is due to a few causes, the primary is a extended drought, large amounts of dry undergrouth, lack of fuel reduction burns, a dryer east coast (there was snow falling in the Australian Alps last week), weather patterns in the off Antarctica, (that causing both Australia's and Africa's droughts) along with a weak weather patten in the Pacific.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 12:29 PM

The coverage I've seen of Sydney looks just horrifying.

And the forecasts suggest it's going to get MUCH worse in the next couple of months.

And you have a PM whose idea of an appropriate statement is a TV broadcast of his home Christmas tree. Makes Boris Johnson look useful.

Is your media still giving airtime to that fuckwit who says the gays are responsible?

Good luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 04:01 AM

As well as US & Canadian firefighters we even have NZ firefighters here.

In the off season Northern & Southern Hemisphere firefighters go overseas to help local services. As fire seasons overlap in Aus & California, sharing firefighting resources will only get harder

Since 2001/02 fire season Australian authorities have hired Erickson S-64 Air-Cranes from US

Latest report, 2 hours ago. NSW 'mega-fire' is on Sydney's doorstep "Worst ever" and "unprecedented" have become the new norm this bushfire season, but when a blaze grows to the size of Sydney a new standard of overwhelming is set and firefighting becomes a logistical headache. Five blazes merged north of Sydney yesterday and the term "mega-fire" reared its ugly head. The 60-kilometre fire front continues to consume areas west of Gosford, including Colo Heights, Wollangambe, Mellong, Wollemi and Big Yengo ... Basically, it could get better just to get worse, and it is anyone's guess when this fire stops growing. That's bad news for those on the Central Coast and in Sydney who are being choked by smoke from these blazes.

sandra in smoky sydney


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Jim Martin
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 12:24 AM

Great to see US/Canada helping out!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 09:08 AM

latest from my friends - It looks like all the houses in Bawley have been saved.

over100 bushfires were burning in NSW on Friday, more than half out of control

NSW fires LIVE updates What we know so far
    More than 680 homes have been lost so far this fire season
    At its peak on Friday, nine fires were burning at an emergency level. That has dropped to four, with 14 at 'watch and act.'
    Specialist firefighters from the US and Canada will help locals fight the blazes

video-Firefighters battle blaze at Bawley Point (thursday)

bushfires have combined to create 60km 'mega fire' north of Sydney ... There were seven emergency warning-level fires blazing across the state at 7:00pm on Friday, but they had all been downgraded to watch and act or lower by 11:15pm. ...

sandra (1.00am Sydney time, Sat morning 96 fires are burning across NSW, none at emergency level. Embers are still a risk.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Dec 19 - 01:13 AM

Our bushfire season has started earlier, fires are more intense, drought has affected fire fighting & the season lasts longer.

Bawley Point news My friends evacuated early as they are over 80, very fit, young looking octogenarians, but still over 80. Latest email - All are okay here; nice and safe and the wind seems to have moved favourable.

Long Beach, another affected village 30 mins south of Bawley Point Long Beach locals told “Fill your bath tub, fill your wheelie bins with water”

NSW Rural Fire Service - Shoalhaven - facebook


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Dec 19 - 02:52 PM

Here in the states the news has picked up on the Koalas plight but downplayed the 'Normal' bushfires. Even npr has warned against over reaction. Or at least that was my take.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Helen
Date: 03 Dec 19 - 02:33 PM

Sandra, that's a good article about the smoky tasting hail and smoke affected grapes and wine. Wine with a taste of burnt rubber - not to everyone's taste.

Normally around Christmas time, Hubby gets the smoker out and smokes chickens, ham and trout but I said to him that he probably won't need to do it this time because they'll be smoky enough already. Instead of the "triple smoked ham" being advertised in the shops, it will be quadruple smoked.

(Apologies to vegos and vegans, but smoked ham, chicken and trout are triple-yum!)

It has been very smoky here in the Hunter Valley. Hubby hasn't had to use his asthma inhaler for years until this bushfire year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 01 Dec 19 - 09:22 AM

Digital Earth Australia Hotspots is a national bushfire monitoring system that provides timely information about hotspots to emergency service managers across Australia. The mapping system allows users to identify fire locations with a potential risk to communities and property.

The hot spot above Canberra has forced my friends to evacuate -
Residents urged to evacuate as South Coast fire burns out of control They live in the small coastal town of Bawley Point, one of the small towns that have evacuated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 05:16 PM

fires in NSW - Smoke affecting large parts of NSW

What has the bushfire crisis cost so far?

Bushfire smoke can get into hail and even go from vine to wine Yearning for a cool drink, Joh Timmers popped a piece of hail into his drink after a thunderstorm at Wivenhoe Dam recently. But he soon noticed an odd taste.
"I could taste the smoke in it … we tried another and it was the same, it was subtle, but you could taste it," he told ABC Radio Brisbane.
"The hail didn't look any different to other hail and it wasn't discoloured at all." (read on)

You can be quite a long way from a bushfire and still have it affect your health

Koala hospital's GoFundMe campaign raises more than $1m

Meet Bear, the koala detection dog looking for traces of koalas in burnt areas


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 07:02 PM

Digital Earth Australia Hotspots is a national bushfire monitoring system that provides timely information about hotspots to emergency service managers across Australia. The mapping system allows users to identify fire locations with a potential risk to communities and property.

Currently we have fires in all states, tho some state's fires are more severe than others. The highest fire warning level in NSW & SA is Catastrophic & in Victoria it's Red.

Sydney smoke 'unlikely to clear for days' as bushfires burn around NSW Sydneysiders have been warned the thick smoke haze covering the city will remain for days, as the air quality plummeted to "hazardous" levels for the second time this week. The Harbour City's landmarks were barely visible as smoke from dozens of bushfires burning in NSW settled over Sydney, the Illawarra, North Coast and Central Coast

Meanwhile south of the border - Victoria issues code red bushfire warning as Melbourne weather heats up After coming within 0.2 degrees of its hottest November night on record, Melbourne's temperatures are soaring while parts of Victoria prepare for a day of catastrophic fire risk. A code red fire danger day has been declared in Victoria for the first time in almost a decade, as emergency services warn people in the Northern Country and Mallee regions to consider evacuating their homes amid worsening fire conditions.

SA bushfire destroys homes as Yorketown fire burns out of control A bushfire burning out of control in South Australia's Lower Yorke Peninsula has been downgraded to a 'watch and act' message. The fire started during Wednesday's catastrophic fire conditions and broke through containment lines early this morning.

Queensland fires


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Helen
Date: 18 Nov 19 - 09:20 PM

Luckily, we are not in a bushfire prone area although we are in an idiot-prone area because the family across the road from us like lighting a fire in their backyard now and then. They get annoyed when any of their neighbours dob them in to the fire brigade, too.

On a musical note, I saw this article:
Harp therapist soothes anxious horses at NSW bushfire evacuation centre

I remember back in late Dec 2002 to Jan 2003 Hubby & I were on a trip down south in Victoria and then Tasmania. We included some folk festivals in our itinerary which was lovely but unfortunately it seemed that wherever we had just left there was a bushfire. It was another terrible bushfire time in those couple of months. I looked at the map of the fires and almost all of the east coast and Tassie were affected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: JennieG
Date: 16 Nov 19 - 07:06 AM

A bloke from Ebor, N.S.W., has been charged with deliberately lighting a fire. Seems he lit it so he could backburn around his cannabis crop, and it got away and did a lot of damage. Ebor is north-east from here, in more hilly country.

High country in more ways than one.......

While we don't wish to make light of people deliberately lighting fires, we can't help but see a little humour in this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Andrez
Date: 16 Nov 19 - 02:28 AM

Living in East Gippsland now. All quiet down here on the fire front so far but the drought is doing its bit to get things tinder dry and ready to go up in a wink if the conditions are right.

Just driven up and down into the high plains today lots of green but plenty of brown in the paddocks and bush. Maybe we should reconsider building that wall to keep any stray northerners from escaping and spreading the fire 'bug' down south. Touch wood!

Cheers,

Andrez


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 15 Nov 19 - 01:18 AM

Emergency warning issued for fast-moving fire at Gosper's Mountain north west of Sydney metropolitan area, around 100km from Sydney CBD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 14 Nov 19 - 05:33 PM

yes!

A cauldron of extreme heat developing in Western Australia is heading straight for the east coast bushfire zone. A build-up of intense heat that will see temperatures in WA soar into the mid 40s this weekend will be dragged across the country next week, right into parts of New South Wales and Queensland devastated by bushfires this week. (read on)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Hrothgar
Date: 14 Nov 19 - 07:02 AM

"Idyllic bushland setting" = firetrap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 14 Nov 19 - 06:21 AM

fingers cross, rich-joy.

latest fire info for NSW but there are also major fires in 2 other states, Queensland & Western Australia

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: rich-joy
Date: 13 Nov 19 - 07:50 PM

A welcome wind change is all that has stood between my Bro at Warrell Creek directly experiencing the Bushfires. He and his son have stayed to try and protect the house and animals and outbuildings.

Of course, another wind change can easily alter all that again.

And a welcome wind change for one area can mean destruction and heartbreak for others ......

R-J


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 02:19 PM

The more things change, the more they stay the same ...
and the news is not good.
Thanks, though, for letting us know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Megan L
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 09:54 AM

Stay safe both of you we will be thinking of you


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: JennieG
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 05:15 AM

Closest fire to me is about 20 minutes north. The highway is closed. That's a bit close for comfort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 03:13 AM

10 years after the Black Saturday fires but 10 years of silence doesn't mean we haven't had any bushfires.

Our fire season is getting longer & the fires stronger, yet our Prime Minister does not believe there is a problem, we don't need to hire US Air cranes etc in the off season, we can do it all on our own! However the Northern hemisphere fire seasons are getting longer too, so authorities are using their resources for a longer period, so couldn't lend them anyway & we don't have enough to do it on our own.

National situation - the government believes in coal! not climate change. “Not today”? When fire-struck communities start talking about climate politicians must listen

This is the situation in my state - Fires rage as Berejiklian ignores advice and decimates what's left and Fire and Rescue NSW budget cuts which have led to closures of fire stations.

Closest fires to me are 20km (12 miles) across the other side of the harbour, & 100km (60 miles) to the west in the Blue Mountains.

map of fires across bushfire live blog

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 04:59 AM

Artists inspired by Black Saturday fires


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Rowan
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 04:52 PM

And, according to the latest news, the Victorian govt is squirming under the prospect of damning recommendations from the Royal Commission. For the benefit of US people, a Royal Commission is similar to a Senate Select Committee.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Feb 10 - 03:28 AM

Teens front court over Black Saturday fire Two teenagers charged over the devastating Bendigo Black Saturday fire that killed a man have been granted bail in a Victorian children's court.

This morning a 15-year-old and 14-year-old boy were arrested by Taskforce Phoenix detectives.

Both are charged with arson causing death for allegedly lighting a fire in a dry creek bed at Maiden Gully, near Bendigo, on the afternoon of Black Saturday.

The court heard the fire quickly spread south-east and claimed the life of Kevin Michael Cane.

Police allege the Maiden Gully fire caused in excess of $23 million damage to private property and Crown land.

The magistrate ordered that the court be closed to the media and the public due to the nature of the charges, the defendants' age and the need to minimise any stigma.

The magistrate granted the boys bail, subject to strict conditions, including that they obey a curfew and do not attend bushlands.

It is nearly a year since the fire which killed Mr Cane and destroyed 58 homes.


Black Saturday memorials renew grief



Explore the events and stories from the Black Saturday bushfires.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Janie
Date: 19 Nov 09 - 08:30 PM

I see that there is extremely high risk of bushfires in parts of Australia in the last day or so.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6492006/catastrophic-fire-warning-for-nsw/

Hope people take the warnings seriously and err on the side of safety - and then hope it was all for naught!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Janie
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 12:03 AM

Thanks for the links on the current fire season.

I hear you Frank. I find myself wondering - how long will the water last. Without much knowledge to back up my thoughts and intuition, I can't help but think of Australia and the American West, among other places, as canaries in the coal mine.

The capacity for denial by our species is phenomenal. (Of course, we may the only species with a sufficient capacity for foresight to have developed the psychological defence of denial.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Tangledwood
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 08:20 PM

Lots of wind but no dust, not even in Broken Hill. In fact, the place was sparkling,

Literally, probably - there is such a high metal content, silver, lead and zinc, in the dust which comes of the skimp dumps. I lived there for a few years in the '70s.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 02:12 PM

Much of these unfortunate tragedies are at the expense of the denial of global warming.
The desertification of the world is a major byproduct of this denial. We will see more
burnings and ecological disasters until this issue is recognized and acted upon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 03:34 AM

thanks for your good wishes, Tam, the only visible dust in my place has been here for so long I don't want to disturb it.

Big red hits NZ as dust storm crosses Tasman

Truckloads of dust ripped from barren land

Janie, Summer 2009/2010 fire season has started early & will probably not be minor as rains are down.

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 09 - 01:25 AM

Living in rural Oz I miss out on such radio programs. But I've just returned from Alice Springs, where I celebrated a friend's significant birthday at the Araluen Homestead; she was the Director there for a while.

No dust and not even wind until I left Coober Pedy but it was a 60kph beauty all the way south; fortunately a tailwind. But no dust until Glendambo, which is upwind of Lake Eyre, where various people reckon Sydney's dust came from; once again, Glendambo provided rain in the middle of its dust storm.

The tailwind kept up 'til I got to Port Augusta, where it started to rain and filled up Adelaide's dams; the rain lasted 'til I got to Yunta but the wind kept up. Still, no dust. Stayed overnight at Mannahill (now, there's an experience) wondering if we'd still have a roof in the morning. Lots of wind but no dust, not even in Broken Hill. In fact, the place was sparkling, showing no sign that the visibility during the previous afternoon had been down to about 10 metres. All the road trains and semi trailers had stopped, as visibility was so bad and even new trucks had sand penetrating seals.

No dust until Wilcannia, where the landscape was shifting across the road; all the sheep and feral goats had stripped the vegetation so that te wind could just blow it away. The tailwind lasted all the way home (New England) but the only evidence of dust was the colour of oncoming vehicles. Today the carwash places are doing a roaring trade.

All the best, Sandra.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 04:00 PM

ooops! got so side tracked by Andrez' vignette, I forgot to send good wishes to Sandra.

How's it going? Keeping your crafts clean I hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 03:59 PM

snork... so great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Janie
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 12:58 PM

Mopping spit coffee from the keyboard!


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 11:07 AM

OMG Andrez. That is hysterical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Andrez
Date: 24 Sep 09 - 05:39 AM

Just in case people around the world actually feel too sorry for Sydney siders just because they got a little dusty, you have to know that this is the town that generated the following gem sometime recently:

Dodgy Humor: Click entirely at own risk!

Now if you've been brave enough to check the link out, I ask you doesnt this kind of show make the entire town and everyone who laughed, a candidate for plagues of locusts, pestilence, dry rot eternal damnation and any other conceivable plague? I mean they even throw the football behind them when running towards their goal instead of kicking it toward the goal! What kind of a town does that?

I rest my case M'lud

:-D

Cheers,

Andrez


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Janie
Date: 23 Sep 09 - 10:45 PM

Thanks for all of the links. I learn a lot from what you Oz'landers post about the environmental happenings and events on the other side of the world.

I hope this fire season is much less horrific than the last.


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 23 Sep 09 - 08:22 PM

Dust storm 'started 12 months ago'


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Subject: RE: BS: Bushfires in Australia - Feb 2009
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 23 Sep 09 - 08:19 PM

News Radio user submitted photos - Sydney & other areas

more user submitted photos - from Sydney local radio listeners

I had intended to submit some of my pics, but time got away.

sandra


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