carol thatcher death threats

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:36 PM

Ake,

I didn't infer or imply anything.

I said you singled her out.

Which you did.

I don't think you're a bigot but I do think you made an error of judgement.

It might be arguable that I had an agenda, or that you did, or that Teribus does, but in the absence of any posts whatsoever from the person in question it is hard to see how she has any relevance to this thread.

There are plenty of people on this site who share her views - you could have chosen one of them.

I'll just have to accept that its a coincidence.

By the way, I've been all over this world, and met real bigots and challenged them and my head is just fine thanks - though you're more likely to find me at the Celtic end.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:00 PM

Rosie ...please stay in Numptyland....it's cold and hard down here!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:57 PM

Didn't think I would come back to this nonesense, but having read an interesting article in today's Times on religious sectarianism among football "supporters", I wondered if Lox would like to clambour into the Rangers end at Parkhead taking his righteous indignation with him, rather than getting into a hissy fit about golliwog remarks made by one of the intellectually challenged.
It would certainly improve his perspective regarding bigotry, if not the shape of his head!

And by the way Lox you fucker, before you start grovelling again, try "amending" the really offensive part of your post, which inferred that I was bigoted against another member because she is black.
I have issues regarding the agenda of said member, but none regarding her race or colour!
If you cant see my previous posts stating my opposition to racists and racism, then you must be blind as well as stupid.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:53 PM

"I'm personally getting sick of seeing such personally directed aggro comments directed at other posters on Mudcat." - Sleepy Rosie

You mean like:

"OK, maybe 'Potential Slander' was the wrong term, perhaps 'Actual Smuggery and Twatship' would be more legally correct? Must go and check my OED"

Obviously not that sick eh?? By the bye you needn't bother checking

- Slander = spoken word
- Libel = written word

Unlike yourself or Jim I check before I write.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:46 PM

OK, maybe 'Potential Slander' was the wrong term, perhaps 'Actual Smuggery and Twatship' would be more legally correct? Must go and check my OED... ;-)

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:32 PM

Oh Sleepy they are certainly no slanderous comments on this web-site, but then of course there wouldn't be would there?

Slander applies to the spoken word it's libel that applies to the written word.

Check Bryn Pugh's posts and you will find that he boasted about it before going out to join the picket lines, oddly enough I think that was another anti-Thatcher type thread.

More highly emotive left-wing clap-trap Jim - lot of words saying absolutely SFA - start taking more water with it Jim.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:23 PM

"You should PM another mudcat member, Bryn Pugh, he can tell you about going out with knitting needles dipped in shit and prepared to stick into police horses."

Bryn Pugh, has not posted to this thread as far as I'm aware. He is not here to respond to your graphic and antagonistic allegation, be it true or otherwise.
I'm personally getting sick of seeing such personally directed aggro comments directed at other posters on Mudcat.
I hope there are some moderators observing the potentially slanderous comments on this thread.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 12:17 PM

"Still jumping in with both feet again Jim??"
Still brown-nosing the establishment Teribus
Thatcher's admiration for Pinochet made it quite clear that she would happily have adopted the tactics he used in Chile against anybody who opposed her - now there's a thought - Wembley Stadium as a holding/torture centre, just like Santiago.
Even the most neutral commentators of the strike could not avoid the obvious enthusiasm with which the 'guardians of law and order' supported Thatcher and her minions; from their waving of wage packets at the men on the picket line, the military-type charges through the mining villages, to the mounted baton-charges at Orgreave and other demonstrations
We were caught in a three hour traffic-jamb on the way to Manchester when the police (just) fell short of declaring martial law by barricading mining villages off the motorway - discharging their duty, my arse.
I find threads like this incredibly revealing - not from the behavior of a brain-dead like Carol Thatcher - you really wouldn't expect anything else.
On the one hand you have her and Prinny and the Duke spouting racist shite - and Terabus and his friends leaping to their defence; on the other, some poor saddo (if he/she wasn't an invention of Thatcher's PR squad) making a supposed death threat, and there are the brown-noses holding their collective hands up in horror. Does anybody take such things seriously? The (neutral) police certainly don't otherwise we would have road-blocks, strip searches and doors kicked in at midnight - after all, this is a THATCHER we're talking about. Even the scabloid press can't bother there arses with it.
Racism effects, damages, and even destroys peoples lives (not to mention killing people); those who indulge in it are thugs, and those who apologise for it are spineless thugs who haven't the bottle to act on their perverted beliefs.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 10:07 AM

Still jumping in with both feet again Jim??

Miners during the strike put themselves into a position of confrontation with the law. The police were deployed to ensure that picketing remained within the bounds of the law - it didn't. the Police were guiltless in discharging their duty.

You should PM another mudcat member, Bryn Pugh, he can tell you about going out with knitting needles dipped in shit and prepared to stick into police horses. The pair of you would get along together really well.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:30 AM

"The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable."
Sorry Nigel - my apologies - misread the posting
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:23 AM

Jim Carroll:
"The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable."
Only if you wish to make it so Nigel.
Please don't attribut other peoples words to me!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 06:49 PM

No I am not - I'm saying that the frustration felt by people who were beings starved and driven back to work by a Prime Minster who was prepared to use the police force as a private army in order to break the strike should be understood in the context of what was happening at the time.
The men who threw the concrete and killed the taxi driver were punished, and rightfully so; the police who baton charged the strikers and their supporters were not, nor was the scab driver who crushed the picket to death.
When it comes down to it, the real criminal was your friend the racist's mammy, and she, like her friend Pinochet, will go to her grave unpunished, more's the pity.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 06:01 PM

So Jim are you saying that the people "murdered" by striking miners should not be remembered?? That they are so much less than the victims you and captain Birdseye apparently seem to favour??

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:28 PM

"Or the people that the striking miners killed Cap'n "
No surprise that a supporter of the slaughter of civilians in Gaza and a closet racist turns out to be a Thatcherite
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:16 PM

You seem unaware that the reason the British troops (tattooed hoardes) were present in The Falkland Islands (Las Malvinas) was because of an attempt by a local army to take possession of the islands by force, against the will of the public (arrogant oiks) then living there.
Re-writing geography & history reflects badly not on the name of Thatcher, but on the contrived name of Bonzo3legs.

The local army you mention was acting under orders from the military junta, largely feared and hated by the Argentine people at that time, in an effort to divert attention from the dirty war. If you were to stand by the Malvinas Memorial in Buenos Aires as I have done many times on Malvinas Day in April - perhaps you would understand.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:04 PM

Or the people that the striking miners killed Cap'n

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 02:56 PM

donot forget the miners who died during the miners strike .

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:58 PM

"The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable."
Only if you wish to make it so Nigel.
The main issue for many of us is whether people in the public eye should be ignored or excused when they spout racist garbage - a fairly common practice with some of the great and the good nowadays.
Any twerp can issue a meaningless death-threat - but it took a hard-nosed individual like her mother to actually put such threats into practice - with an election on the horizon of course - not to mention the many thousands of lives she ruined of course.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:10 PM

Nigel,

I got the impression that Bonzos post was intentionally ironic and implying a view that if Thatcher were so inconsiderate then she might not have made such a trip.

I haven't seen the documentary so maybe Thatcher did behave inappropriately whilst there.

Either way, I don't think it particularly matters.

The main issue in this thread is whether death threats are ever acceptable.

The answer to that is of course a resounding no.

The secondary issue and the context of the discussion is whether it is reasonable for someone with considerable public influence to go round comparing Black People to Golliwogs and yet to expect that there should be no consequences at all.

The answer to that is also a resounding no.

Sadly a third issue has been whether it is acceptable take the opportunity in discussions about race to single people out and refer to them in a disparaging manner because of their race.

Once again the answer is no.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:04 PM

what about the belgrano well she gave the order to sink it as it was sailing AWAY from the island just to start her wee war were so many people in uniform died just so she could stay in power

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 12:59 PM

"was because of an attempt by a local army to take possession of the islands by force"
A bit like the US, Britain, Israel....... et al..
They didn't realise that you had to be a club member before you invaded anywhere - silly bastards (unless you could make a case for W.M.D. of course).
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 08:00 AM

Bonzo3Legs:
Thatcher was featured in a programme last year when she first went to Las Malvinas and spoke to the arogant oiks there, followed by a visit to Argentina where she met parents of Argentine conscripts who were slaughtered by the tattooed hoardes of the British Army. She behaved in a totally unacceptable. She showed herself to be as unfeeling as that other Thatcher woman.
You seem unaware that the reason the British troops (tattooed hoardes) were present in The Falkland Islands (Las Malvinas) was because of an attempt by a local army to take possession of the islands by force, against the will of the public (arrogant oiks) then living there.
Re-writing geography & history reflects badly not on the name of Thatcher, but on the contrived name of Bonzo3legs.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 03:26 PM

Thatcher was featured in a programme last year when she first went to Las Malvinas and spoke to the arogant oiks there, followed by a visit to Argentina where she met parents of Argentine conscripts who were slaughtered by the tattooed hoardes of the British Army. She behaved in a totally unacceptable. She showed herself to be as unfeeling as that other Thatcher woman.

But gollywogs - big fuss about nothing.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lox
Date: 15 Feb 09 - 12:26 PM

Oh right - so you weren't supporting her then ...

... you were just trolling.

Well then I'll ignore your little pea shooter.

Who's frothing?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 08:02 AM

Well Guest Lox at least, before jumping in foot-first, frothing with indignation I knew who she was bloody well talking about and unlike you so far have offered no opinion on the matter at all. So do not put words into my mouth or take me to task for opinions that I have not offered.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:17 AM

You see teribus, I don't give a shit which black person Thatcher compared to a Golliwog.

Just as you fully understand my posts but don't give a shit.

And Carol thought it was all hilarious.

Just like you.



So let me be the firat to congratulate you in your brave fight to defend your right to be an insulting aggressive ignoramus.

Your banner portrays a simple message and is flying high.


Give yourself a pat on the back.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:07 AM

See here:

Spot the Difference

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:06 AM

Well that seals it then Teribus.

You have proved beyond doubt that Carols remarks were not only reasonable but an accurate description.

Good boy.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 07:04 AM

No, I think there must be some mistake, *that* black tennis player looks nothing like a golliwog...

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 06:59 AM

Do you mean this "her" - Lox & Rosie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo-Wilfried_Tsonga

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 14 Feb 09 - 04:37 AM

"she meant to compare her to a golliwog in a more academic sense."

Lol! There's an entire sketch could be launched from that.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 08:19 PM

"She did not "think" it "amusing to say that a black tennis player looks like a golliwog" did she?? She referred to a black French tennis player the one with the hair that looks like a golliwog."

Oh well then Teribus - thanks to your help I am able to see that she meant to compare her to a golliwog in a more academic sense.

Your input is as usual of unquantifiable value.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 08:13 PM

"She did not "think" it "amusing to say that a black tennis player looks like a golliwog" did she?? She referred to a black French tennis player the one with the hair that looks like a golliwog."

Oh well then Teribus - thanks to your help I am able to see that she meant to compare her to a golliwog in a more academic sense.

Your input is as usual of unquantifiable value.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 10:03 AM

"what about that eejit dutch politcan then!"

Tut tut, those liberal minded Dutch policies!
I guess that'll explain those "hash lessons" at the docks then?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 08:37 AM

what about that eejit dutch politcan then!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 07:29 AM

LOL Rosie!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 06:40 AM

"Sugarfoot Jack, What you're saying is it's OK to have national stereotypes but not racial one."

I haven't ventured an opinion in this case - I was answering your question about whether calling the black French tennis player a 'frog' or a 'cheese eater' was racist . . . and I'm not sure it is.

The population of a nation is made up of many different races, so calling the French "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" doesn't strike me as being racist, although nationality is often a stick to beat people with; it happens often enough on this board.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 13 Feb 09 - 06:35 AM

Backwoodsman, are you playing your Love Games with me?

And for the hell of it, beause I find this one of the funniest things I ever saw...
I got The Funk

I don't think these links offer much to the discussion.
Unless blacked-up cross-dressing underwater monsters with seaweed hair are in some tangential way relevent to the thread...

Err, feel free to discuss?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: folk1e
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 08:08 PM

I'm sorry to have to say this but ....... Get a life!

If saying someone looks like a golliwogg (and to be fair there is more than a passing resemblance) is so offensive to you, how do you cope with the racism of Israel? Or the exploits of the good old U.S. of A and Britain in Iraq and Afghanistan .... Or the Russians to the.... well you get my drift!

If you cant stand up against racial brutality and ethnic clensing ... (shudders).... do us all a favor and keep quiet about some of the more minor civil infringements!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 03:17 PM

Rosie, you sex-goddess! Be mine, be mine!! LOL!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 03:07 PM

Hey man, whatever you want to fantasize about is up to you...
But here's something, just for my fans! Ooh, Cheeky! ;-)

(Note to self: Write out 100 times 'Must not feed the trolls, must not feed the trolls!')

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 02:29 PM

I see this imagine of your hairy chin sleeze Rose and it isn't very nice, Ahhhhhhhh.
I remain proud to be British. Thankfully those who throw their arms open at the dockside are learning a hash lesson. Sad people.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 02:10 PM

Daily Mail readers grow pubic hair on their heads...!
Is that a con-genital* defect?


* boom boom

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 01:56 PM

Sugarfoot Jack, What you're saying is it's OK to have national stereotypes but not racial one. The difference is very blurred as race is divided into many subraces who tend to inhabit different parts of the globe. A French lady is typically different from a Scandanavian lady, both delightful in different ways! A better example is to be found in the Oriental races: the Chinese, the Native North Americans, the Native South Americans and the Innuit are all subraces. There are plenty of cartoon stereotypes of the Irish, the Scots, the Australians, the Japanese and many others, all of which seem to be acceptable.
May I suggest the the problem arises from guilt from the disgraceful way the West has treated (and to some extent still treats) African races.
Doc John

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 01:26 PM

Gervase - I keep telling you; it's a wind-up. Nobody's that thi...... Oh - just remembered Last Night of The Proms!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Gervase
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 12:36 PM

Blimey, these threads do tend to flush out some unpleasant pond life. One can only hope that the sort of trolls like 'Daily Mail Reader' are actually too thick or lazy actually to vote.
People like that actually make me thankful I don't live in England any more. Yuk!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 11:27 AM

sounds like the ranting of the BNP daily mail reader

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 08:57 AM

Sleepy Rosie, I have just a little less than you have under your armpits !

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: kendall
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 07:59 AM

There is a difference between speaking out and ranting racial epithets.That sort of thing only creates more resentment and makes the situation worse. If you come at someone with your horns out, there can be only one result. Of course, if that's what you want, then be prepared for him to come back with HIS horns out.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 02:40 PM

And what does the hair of a Daily Mail reader look like anyway?
A comb over?