carol thatcher death threats

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:44 PM

"Sir John Betjeman always reminded me of a teddy bear."

Me too, John.   A gentle, crumpled, well loved teddy at that.

My house is full of bears. :0)

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 02:50 PM

I think Carol Thatcher did apologise but she refused to give an unreserved apology so it wasn't accepted.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 03:18 PM

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Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Gervase
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 03:32 PM

Death threats? My left arse!
Sure, I've had those too - mostly they're laughable. When I was a hack I had a far-right website publish my photograph with an open invitation for anyone to 'have a go'. And they never did. So claims of death threats from Carol's "friends" cuts little ice with me.
I'm sorry, but I would have sacked Carol Thatcher years ago for being a talentless waste of space who owed her role solely to nepotism. If she now whinges that she's being victimised because she's Thatcher's daughter, maybe she should appreciate that the only reason she's managed to hold down a job as a jobbing freelance for the past 30 years is precisely because she's Thatcher's daughter.
She would be hard-pressed to survive on a local weekly freesheet, and yet I have actually had this woman utter to me those classic lines, "Do you know who I am?"
She used the word 'golliwog' several times in several different contexts in front of about 30 people, many of whom she didn't know from Adam or Eve. For her crassness and stupidity, the revocation of her "One Show" agreement would seem only fair. It would be fairer if the oxygen of publicity was denied to her in perpetuity.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 03:46 PM

LOL John

What's wrong. If people want to do that to their hair more power to em. As the the wiki description goes

"The Mohawk, by its nature, and depending on the type of hair the wearer has, is typically a high-maintenance style, although after practice, can become quite routine for the wearer and done in a much shorter amount of time. Depending on the specific look desired by the wearer, regular, careful shaving may be required to maintain a clean line between the shaven and long parts of the hair; this can be especially complicated in bi- and tri- hawks. "

snip

If you are trying to point out a parallel between what Thatcher said about the tennis player, that's comparing apples to oranges.

Gervase... thank you.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Betsy
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 03:48 PM

I don't like anything connected to Margaret Thatcher , but if the remark was said only in front of 2 people - Adrian Chiles and Jo Brand (apparently it was in a some hospitality room in the TV studio) - they are the two for whom I feel sorry if indeed they were the only two people present.
If they were SO offended they should have admonished Carol Thatcher immediately and give her a bollicking. To report her to the BBC authorities is beneath contempt.
What a pair of pricks. We're turning into a Stalinist state .

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Rog Peek
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 04:39 PM

Seeing Villan's post about his cat got me to thinking what they might call Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog if they did a remake of 'The Dam Busters' film.

Rog

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: kendall
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 04:59 PM

My mother used to refer to blacks as "Darkies" too, but I can say flatly there was not one scrid of racism in her.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 05:16 PM

Betsy

If you were at work say during tea break and you heard a colleague use the word spaz about a someone with cerebral palsy, what would you do?

Just curious.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 05:31 PM

Talk about apples and oranges!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Gervase
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 05:39 PM

Betsy, there were around 30 people present, most of whom she didn't know. Not two.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: paula t
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 05:56 PM

I have always felt uncomfortable about Gollywog toys. Someone bought me one when I was a child(1964) and it embarassed me ,because even at the age of 4 I thought it was meant to make fun of someone. That toy stayed in the bottom of my rather small toybox and was never played with. I must have picked up the racist meaning of this toy from somewhere because a 4 year old is not usually politically aware.

If a 4 year old can feel uncomfortable about the term "Gollywog" and the form the toy takes, then a fully grown woman should get it too.I am glad that one of the people who heard this comment had the courage to speak up. It is a difficult thing to do , but if no-one challenges such comments in the workplace then those people think it is acceptable .

However, death threats are also totally unacceptable .They have no place in any society.There are better ways to express your disgust.They merely serve to cloud the issue and also give racists the chance to stick together as a "victimised " group. The argument is quickly turned from one about an unacceptable racist comment by a "well educated" but ignorant person , to one of the right to "Free speech" and attacks on the so - called "PC brigade" by the more right wing newspapers.There usually follows a spate of stories about ridiculous rules made up by obscure councils and little groups (remember "Baa Baa Rainbow sheep"?) and then people start talking about being British............Then the original misdemeanor is forgotten and the person gets their job back - usually being seen as a hero,as a champion of free speech and a victim of unfairness.

This woman has finally shown what she is really like . I hope this is the last we hear of her.



.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 06:09 PM

"So---where are the protesters in Henley-on Thames ?"

Is that an example of a question that answers itself???

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 06:24 PM

Just wait till the Yanks wake up and Miss Azizi sees this!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 06:26 PM

Ah'm away tae ma bed the noo!!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 04:25 AM

As I said, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech; it is about whether we are prepared to accept people in the public eye using offensive racist abuse.
I gave a list of examples of common racist abuse which I encountered throughout my working life, some of it on a daily basis, much of it on a daily basis. And answer came there none - I ask again - do people find it acceptable?
Let's take it a step further - how would you women out there take to being described as bitches, tarts, slits, snails, c---s, whores, slags, pole-perchers, knocking-pieces - or even 'er indoors' - and how would you feel if these terms were in general use by people in the public eye with access to the media?
Akenaton,
MacColl's stance on racism was, as far as I am concerned, impeccable - I have no doubt that if he were alive there would be a song....!
I assume you never saw 'The Festival of Fools' sketch he wrote on the 'Basil D'Olivera' incident - bit difficult to describe, but it starts with an English crowd applauding his performance at the wicket - and ends with them screaming racist abuse (golliwog featured prominently in the torrent) and beating him to the ground with cricket bats - wonderful stuff!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 04:51 AM

"Just wait till the Yanks wake up and Miss Azizi sees this!"

OMG!!! I know what you mean!
Do you think she'll respond with her usual moderate manner, highly informed, sensitve and intelligent reasoning!?

And, "Miss Azizi"?
Does that come with a comedy accent?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 04:56 AM

Should Jo Brand be sacked for this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4560371/BBC-faces-fresh-criticism-over-offensive-remarks-about-Baroness-Thatcher.html

The url appears to be too long so I can't make a blue clicky link.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Stu
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 05:24 AM

No surprise that one of the Thatcher clan should come up with something like this. The death threats are out of order I agree, but also there is no doubt the Thatchers are not really very nice people.

As for the QI comments, anyone who upsets senior Tories is all right by me. Believe me they don't give a shit about any of us.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Betsy
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 05:39 AM

Gervase - I stand corrected .

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: greg stephens
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 05:52 AM

I find this whole incident difficult to form a firm opinion on, as no account I have read actually says what she said, or in what circumstances. Gervase seems to comment as if he knows what was said, who was there etc and so on: could you give us a link to your source?

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 06:49 AM

Mark Twain was right, when he said "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 07:09 AM

"No surprise that one of the Thatcher clan should come up with something like this."
Jack, please - this is a family with serious problems.
A psychopathic mother, an idiot father, a criminal son who only managed to avoid being banged up by grassing on his mates and now a racist daughter with verbal diarrhea.
Have a little sympathy.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 08:22 AM

pc folks

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: kendall
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 09:40 AM

The continued use of such nasty terms is "energizing the thought". If we would all stop using them they would die out for lack of use. As long as we keep it going it will never die.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lox
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 10:01 AM

Death threats are inexcusable.

So are Carol Thatchers comments.

The reason that racist comments are extremely serious is that they come from and appeal to a part of all human beings that is capable of acts of vicious inhuman violence and cruelty.

This has been a consistent aspect of human nature for thousands of years and it continues today.

For those who have been on the receiving end of this, racist comments serve to perpetuate their fear that such attitudes still prevail.

People who go on about black people "having a chip on their shoulder" and "being oversensitive" and "PC madness" may ignore this fact of history if they wish.

They may attempt to excuse their blind contempt for the wrongs of history in whatever way they like.

But there are those of us who say NEVER AGAIN and we'll be a thorn in your side till the day we die.

So make your comments but expect to be confronted if you do.

And if I confront you, expect a rough ride.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 10:06 AM

Is saying someone's hair looks like a golliwog really a rascist remark? What if I said a girl looked like Barbie; sexist, perhaps? Or a sharp dresser looked like Blind Blake? Surely it's not the words but the intention. I'm hardly a fan of the Thatchers - and Carol T is just another whose only talent is self promotion - but was the remark really mean to belittle, hurt, intimidate etc. I assume these toys originated in the minstrel era when both black and white performers wore such clothes and makeup.
Terry Wogan on Radio 2 has on several occasions mentioned Lead Belly and Blind Lemon Jefferson being on the chain gang. As far as I know the latter bluesman was never so incarcerated so would the family of Mr Jefferson like to sue? Anything to get rid of him! TW that is.
Doc John

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Will
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 10:08 AM

I fully support Carol and in my opinion she did nothing wrong. Silly PC gone wild. We will soon have to address coloured people as Sir or Madam. Load of crap the whole business.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lox
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 10:22 AM

I assume these toys originated in the minstrel era when both black and white performers wore such clothes and makeup.

Ok, when you've finished assuming you can inform yourself.

here

Golliwogs are a racist caricature of a stereotype view of Black people, created for our enjoyment and fun.

They humiliate black people and the humour attached to them was indicative of a mindset that denied black people the right to use the same toilets as white people or to drink from th same water fountains.

It ridiculed racial characteristics.

Often that ridicule was reinforced by violent humiliation and in some cases lynching.

We didn't know that before, we know it now.

But I have no doubt that many of us will reject this information, choose to ignore it and say:


"I fully support Carol and in my opinion she did nothing wrong. Silly PC gone wild. We will soon have to address coloured people as Sir or Madam. Load of crap the whole business."

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 10:45 AM

Thank you Laurel for clarifying what the heck people here are referring to.

~S~

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 11:00 AM

So to summarise:-

Multiple wrongs don't make a right.
She was wrong.
The death-threateners are wrong.
Racist remarks are wrong.
Most agree that she's an overblown, untalented Hooray-Henrietta who's made a very good living trading off her mother's past job-history.
Now can we move on?
Please.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 11:50 AM

I've always believed racists, be they the ones that rove in packs looking for victims, those who shoot their mouths off in pubs among fellow non-thinkers, those who exploit their positions of authority and celebrité to spout their bile (whether they believe any of us unimportant outsiders are listening or not) and those bottle-less apologists closet dwellers who come to the defence of their particular 'superstar' - to be a somewhat spineless hypocritical breed.
The fact that nobody has been prepared to say where, or even, if a line should be drawn in abusing others, whether it is aimed at race, religion, colour, gender, or just differece, has done much to confirm that opinion - thanks for that!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 12:10 PM

Sorry Backwoodsman.....final word from me.

Would the brave opponents of racist comments about hairstyles, uttered by a woman who is obviously not the sharpest tool in the box, like to go and find some real racists to fight.
You certainly wont find them on this forum, no matter how much you try to provoke!

For myself, as a Communist Party member for many years, I've participated in demos where we had to face bricks bottles and boots in support of the AFL, and shed real blood fighting real racists.

So you may appreciate that I need no lectures from Lox,Rosie, or Azizi, on racism and how to fight it.
This particular issue is bullshit hyped by the media because it's a good story.

Get a life or get out on the fuckin' streets.....Ake

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 12:17 PM

"Racist remarks are wrong"

Jim lad, what don't you understand about those four words?

Many have said, on this thread and others, that racism is intolerable. It's not necessary for each and every member of Mudcat to make a public statement detailing exactly which expressions they believe are intolerable just because you wish it to be so. It's a matter for each individual's conscience, and it only becomes an issue for the public domain if and when an individual transgresses the law of the land. It may be your personal cause celebre, and good luck, but we don't all have to state our beliefs in every minute detail just to give you a warm-fuzzy. We are still entitled to our privacy. 1984 came and went, and there are still no Thought Police.

So, all together now........

Racism is wrong.
Death threats are wrong.
Abuse of one human being by another, for whatever reason, is wrong.
Carol Thatcher is a snotty, spoilt, overbearing public-schoolgirl with a nasty gob and no obvious saving graces.

Now FFS, move on.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 12:19 PM

Backwoodsman, what exactly is it you're trying to say? ;-)

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 01:47 PM

And I wonder why Backwoodsman doesn't take his own advice...?
Lot's of other threads to post to.

If you don't like a thread, don't read it, and don't continue to post there. Pretty simple really.
But don't hypocritically demand or expect that other people do, what you refuse to do yourself.

And I really don't know why a silly provocative jibe directed at Azizi was required, she hasn't posted here. She may not even be aware of this thread. She is however one of the few posters onlist who might be qualified and well informed enough to speak intelligently on some of the associated issues.

Unfortunately rude personal comments like that, are not likely to encourage her to want to engage in any kind of discussion. Which I guess from the censorious tone of some "I don't want all you people discussing this subject any more!" comments here, may be thought as some kind of playground victory.

IMO Carol Thatcher is a bigoted, racist fuckwit. An opinion I am content to repeat as frequently as it pleases me. If you dislike other people expressing their personal opinions, in a legitimate debate on a public forum like this, then it might be advisible to not bother 'contributing' to it yourself and thereby helping to keep it going...

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 02:22 PM

Rosie, I didn't make any kind of "silly provocative jibe directed at Azizi". Read again. No mention of Azizi. Why would I seek to insult someone whom I hold in very high esteem?

And what I'm trying to say, Spleen and Rosie, is that this thread, like the 'Folk Awards' thread before it (and many others, I daresay) has ceased to be a discussion. It's simply certain people with entrenched opinions going round and round and round, ramming those opinions down each others' (and everyone else's) throats and making wholly unreasonable demands that we all make declarations of what statements we do or don't consider racist. And it's getting nastier and nastier, just like the 'Folk Awards' thread.

The crazy thing is that most people (me included - I've said it twice) agree that CT's a waste of space and certainly not worth our licence-fee, and that she was absolutely wrong to say what she did, but banging away over and over does not constitute a discussion. And various people getting nasty isn't going to help. It's unnecessary, and it's ruining what should be a good discussion on a fine forum. That's my opinion. Like every other member, I'm entitled.   

Now I'll take your advice Rosie (although I don't believe it was well-meant, and neither do I care). Night-night.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 02:33 PM

Just had to come back to say ....Backwoodsman 12:17 post...I'm with you!!

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 02:33 PM

Apologies Backwoodsman, the Azizi reference was in response to another poster. I didn't make that clear in my post.

I'm sure some threads on fora such as these, become tiresome and repetitious to many of us, and yet they still remain potentially interesting ground for debating and discussing thoughts on matters relevent to us all.

As a relative newcomer to Mudcat, I'm still interested in reading and responding to some of those issues.

My response to your two somewhat irritated posts that this debate is even going on, was not unpleasantly intended. I'm almost always wearing a wry smile when I post something which may be read as a little challenging in tone.. I should use emoticons more frequently to illustrate this.

Goodnight to you too.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,Will
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 02:41 PM

Backward by name, backward by nature.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 03:00 PM

Oh so that wasn't your final word then ake?

Listen, see if you can understand this.

She thought it was amusing to say that a black tennis player looks like a gollywog.

Mutiple choice; do you think she was,

a) right
b) wrong
c) don't care

If c) then whats your problem? why are you bothering to post?



Now here's the real interesting point.


You posted further back "just wait till the yanks wake up". You referred to Azizi.

Why?

Later you commented that you don't need to be lectured by Azizi and others.

I haven't seen any evidence in this thread of Azizi lecturing you.


So again, why have you referred to her?


looks like you're picking a fight with somebody because ... they are black?


You've busted yourself good and proper.

You have deliberately singled someone out based on their race to serve your own purposes, in the process potentially humiliating them.

Bit like Carol Thatcher.

Ake you are beneath contempt.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 03:07 PM

Thanks Rosie (see - I was still lurking!) :-)

Not irritated that a discussion is going on, just irritated that so many threads are hi-jacked by people with agendas, and with seemingly inadequate debating skills.

Interminably challenging others to somehow draw lines in the sand, or ranting on about this or that celebrity, or this or that Royal, or in this case CT, being a fuckwit (yep, I already knew what it meant - Terry Fuckwit is my wife's pet-name for me!), slagging off her mother (who, had she been of a different political stamp, had the strength and courage to be perhaps our greatest-ever PM, instead of the worst), posting abusive stuff regarding the parentage of people who can't answer for themselves, or abusing people who don't share someone else's personal opinions, is not a discussion or a debate. And, sadly, it seems to be becoming something of an epidemic, particularly amongst the UK membership.

Thanks again for your response. It's a pity that tone of voice, and facial expressions, are pretty much impossible to convey in print. But I'll try...    :-)

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: meself
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 03:56 PM

People, please stop bandying the name of a certain member about; it can only cause her embarrassment, if not distress.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 04:05 PM

Address to the Unco Guid and the Rigidly Righteous.
Robert Burns.
   

My Son, these maxims make a rule,
An' lump them aye thegither;
The Rigid Righteous is a fool,
The Rigid Wise anither:
The cleanest corn that ere was dight
May hae some pyles o' caff in;
So ne'er a fellow creature slight
For random fits o' daffin.



O ye wha are sae guid yoursel',
Sae pious and sae holy,
Ye've nought to do but mark and tell
Your neibours' fauts and folly!
Whase life is like a weel-gaun mill,
Supplied wi' store o' water;
The heapèd happer's ebbing still,
An' still the clap plays clatter.

Hear me, ye venerable core,
As counsel for poor mortals
That frequent pass douce Wisdom's door
For glaikit Folly's portals:
I, for their thoughtless, careless sakes,
Would here propone defences--
Their donsie tricks, their black mistakes,
Their failings and mischances.

Ye see your state wi' theirs compared,
And shudder at the niffer;
But cast a moment's fair regard,
What makes the mighty differ?
Discount what scant occassion gave,
That purity ye pride in;
And (what's aft mair than a' the lave)
Your better art o' hidin.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 04:06 PM

Did someone mention Azizi? :0)

Here's her fabulous Myspace page...and check out this month's videos, which she moves over to her blogs, month by month. The Drakensberg Choir one is just wonderful, (note the rainbow skin colours, great to see!) as are all the others. Check out the two little guys with their drums..Absolute magic! :0)

Azizi's 'Cocojams' myspace page

And now....I'll leave you all to continue the rantings.. ;0)

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: folk1e
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 04:50 PM

"The Upton Golliwogg was adventurous and sometimes silly, but, in the main, gallant and "lovable," albeit, unsightly." .... Quote from the Jim Crow book.

So the race hate figure of history started here .... Lovable, Gallant ..... how times change!
Thanks Lox .... now that I am informed I can say that, as racist comments go it is hardly the worst, is it? As per usual a phrase has evolved into something different for each person hearing (or saying) it.
So if the meaning of the phrase is determined by the hearer it doesn't matter what you mean to say, only what I want to hear?

If you wish to be literal then I am a racist! I have expectations of people that are dependant of their race, so what else can you call it? It does not mean that I would treat anybody differently, but that I would expect certain differences to be forthcoming! My expectations are on the whole based on my encounters with people of different races. I think it is only fair to say that I am also classist! This would probably be better understood by those on the eastern side of the pond! I would expect different attitudes and actions from people dependant on their social and financial background ...... and I think many of you do too!

If you don't believe me just think what the following names mean to you :- Gypsy, Irish, Sicilian, Scot, Tyke, Southerner, Trailer Trash, Ivy league, .... need I go on?
I suspect that some of you may have stronger opinions on some of those groups than me, but we do have opinions (and you will note that I have not said that any of those opinions are bad)!

We are all different I think it is sad that we can't, if not celebrate, then accept our differences in a positive light.
Jo Brand getting "upset" about a golliwogg comment is about as plausible as Marget Thatcher having a conscience ....... both are theoretically possible ................

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lox
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 05:55 PM

Folk le

Thanks for your post.

I made the following point in a PM to another catter with an equally enquiring mind.

"I do believe in drawing clear distinctions though, and characters like the golliwog are caricatures of racial stereotypes as opposed to individual characteristics.

That is how they can be defined as racist.

Just as discriminating on grounds of race as opposed to other more legitimate grounds is considered racial discrimination.

The humour value in racial caricatures is racist humour as it hones in purely on racial characteristics.

Big lips, fuzzy hair, white teeth, white eyes ... etc ...

There is a distinct lack of individual characteristics, as these are unimportant. All blacks are the same - they don't have individual characteristics and the dolls therefore don't need to caricature them to be funny.

Piccaninies, gollywogs etc are to black people what nazi propaganda films are to jewish people - as funny as a kick in the teeth and representative of nothing more than contempt and derision for black people.

I hope that helps you to understand why there is so much anger towards carol thatcher."

The Gollywog is just one of the many forms of the same caricature of black people.



On a seperate tack, Here is an interesting link.

Blue clicky

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 05:59 PM

"Racist remarks are wrong"
No; one and one equals three is wrong.
Racist remarks are racist, demeaning, arrogant, mindless, inhuman and potentially lethal - ask Stephen Lawrence's parents.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lox
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 06:00 PM

To modify an earlier comment,

Ake, you are not personally beneath contempt, but your comments on this thread are.

More so because I am surprised by them, having read comments from you on other issues that have been interesting and enlightening.

Subject: RE: carol thatcher death threats
From: Lox
Date: 09 Feb 09 - 06:39 PM

For a history of "the golliwog" look
here.

folk le

Please note the six paragraphs that come before the one you referred to and take care to pay attention to the Enid Blyton and Agatha Christie references.

And add to the whole picture the fact that the term "Gollywog" has been used deliberately as a term of abuse.