BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Mar 09 - 09:21 AM

I post too soon keith a ¬ THIS is 200

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Mar 09 - 09:22 AM

BUGGER ! AND I douuble checked - It STILL said 199 !!

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 09:04 PM

Well state Abby.......

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 06:29 AM

I thought the centenarian post addicts stayed away from serious threads?

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Mar 09 - 03:43 AM

A 14 year old girl just divorced her 17 year old husband .under Israeli law it is ok for a 14 year old girl to marry [and have sex], providing her husband,is not more than three years older than her .

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 09 - 09:18 AM

So just when did the 14 year old marry? Married and divorced the same year?

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Mar 09 - 11:10 AM

I don't understand how people find such conflicting data. All I could find regarding legal marriageable age in Israel is in the order of these two sites. Oh, I also found articles that said that women in Israel are trying to get the legal age for girls raised even higher.

"Currently, 17 is the legal limit, without a special court order, and about 1,700 girls marry at this age annually. Each year there are around 200 known cases of girls aged 16 or younger getting married. More underage incidents probably occur but never reach the public domain, the Working Group and social workers said. (The Working Group is a large umbrella coalition of many organisations and individuals, including non-governmental organizations, lawyers, shelter administrators and social workers).

"According to these experts, what appears to be happening is that girls as young as 14 or 15 are married off, but their matrimony is only legally registered after they turn 17.

"The police do not enforce the existing laws, the Working Group charged, but two representatives from the Israeli Police Youth Division told a Knesset (parliament) panel on 20 November that generally they do not have enough leads to catch the criminals. Two cases have been presented to the state prosecutor's office in recent years, they reported.

http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20071126105538939


"Marriage Age: minimum age is 17 for females under Marriage Age Law 1950 and as determined by personal status law applicable to prospective grooms (18 years under OLFR); scope for judicial discretion (granted to Civil Courts) if wife in underage marriage is pregnant or child has been born (without a minimum age) or for ?special circumstances? (specified by case law) from age of 16 for females; penal sanctions of imprisonment and/or fine for non-compliance for husband, person arranging the marriage, and person officiating, though law does not invalidate underage marriages"

http://www.law.emory.edu/ifl/legal/israel.htm

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: GUEST,Bob
Date: 19 May 09 - 05:11 AM

That young guy Alfie Patten, reported to have become a parent at the age of 13, did not father a baby.

A DNA test has since shown this is not the case and it can now be reported that another boy aged 15, who lives on the same estate as Chantelle in Eastbourne, is in fact the father of baby Maisie.

The result can be revealed after East Sussex County Council failed in an attempt to ban reports of the case.

The story called for better sex education in England, which has the highest rate of teenage pregnancies in western Europe. A lot of young women plan these pregnancies as they get a present of a house and and a nice benefit cheque each week. It's now considered a profession here in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Barry Finn
Date: 19 May 09 - 05:32 AM

So can a male hire themselves out to stud?

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 19 May 09 - 05:48 AM

A lot of young women plan these pregnancies as they get a present of a house and and a nice benefit cheque each week. It's now considered a profession here in the UK.

More urban mythology propagated by our good friends of the Fourth Estate.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 19 May 09 - 05:52 AM

I think our friend GuestBob surfed on in on the wave of the BNP thread, and decided to spread a little Daily Mail-style joy around the place while he was here.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Emma B
Date: 19 May 09 - 06:19 AM

Never let facts get in the way of selling newspapers! - or in flogging the old myths

'There is little evidence to support the common belief that teenage mothers become pregnant to get benefits, welfare, and council housing. Most knew little about housing or financial aid before they got pregnant and what they thought they knew often turned out to be wrong......
Few of them expected to end up as lone parents, in council housing or dependent on social security benefits'

'Few of them had considered termination of pregnancy. However, continuing with the pregnancy was often not so much a decision as an acceptance of what had happened, reflecting the sense of fatalism which characterised much of their subsequent behaviour.'

From -
Teenage Mothers Decisions and Outcomes
examines: the factors surrounding the decision to continue with the pregnancy; the extent to which housing and support played an important part in this decision; the young person's awareness and use of benefits; the housing and household changes made or considered throughout the pregnancy and after the birth of the baby; the young person's perception of their housing options at different times; and the sources and relative importance of support in these decisions

As well as better sex education, which is obviously not a factor in these uninformed/misinformed 'choices', the report concluded 'romantic views of life as a teenage mother should be dispelled by those who have had the experience of seeing their relationships hit the rocks and have been left 'holding the baby''


If it wasn't for people like our anonymous 'guests' (many of whom are actually members I would guess) it might be possible to have an objective discussion on the effects of poverty, poor educational achievement, and deprivation on some, but by no means all, young women's attititude in 'planning' an early pregnancy in the absence of what they see as any realistic opportunities for work or independence (in the above study nearly one third of the teenagers were unemployed when they became pregnant)

as one young mum in the above report stated....

'They make it sound like the council put you in palaces, but they don't... Who'd want to get pregnant for the sake of being put in a council flat?'

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 May 09 - 06:23 AM

I'm fascinated by what Bob thinks "a profession" is. Doctor, lawyer, even priest, they all pay a bit better than single parent benefits...

To be fair, however, there are some apparently single local young women who do live on benefits in council flats with young children, and teh poor things apparently cannot afford elocution lessons...

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:00 AM

Are there no prisons? Are here no workhouses?

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:43 AM

I wonder how much money they have made out of the whole thing?

sal

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Emma B
Date: 19 May 09 - 09:16 AM

Lots of claims have been made for the casual link between teenage pregnancy and welfare benefits however - lets consider some facts as well as opinions based on more evidence than 'Scrounger' headlines.

Denmark pays out higher benefits even than Britain, at £5,116 a year but single mothers make up only 2.9 per cent of households.(2006 figures),

The United States however has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the industrialized world.

This despite according to figures compiled from Virginian state officials last year, a girl with a baby could qualify for slightly more than $10,000 a year in child support, welfare and food stamps, and other benefits also may be available.
But $10,000 is only about half the income needed to be self-sufficient locally, according to the state.
It was also pointed out that governmental assistance programs generally do not last more than five years, since they were intended to help people in tough times, not to support families long-term.

Valerie Hicks. the director of Kidz Health 2020 a group working in a deprived Cleveland neighbourhood with a high rate of unmarried teen pregnancies observed

'It almost has become a rite of passage. If your signal into adulthood is not your acquisition of an education or the acquisition of a job, then the signal of your transition into adulthood may become the baby.'

A spokesman for the Tories Philip Hammond said:
"We have to be careful with this claim of a causal link.
When we are giving benefit to the single mother, we are not giving it to her, it's to the child. if you want to end child poverty, then you have to give benefit."


Some facts -

There are 1.8 million one-parent families in Britain and they care for nearly 3 million children. About nine out of ten lone parents are women. The median age for a lone parent is 35,
AND
at any one time only 3 per cent of lone mothers are teenagers

The belief held in some circles that teenagers only get pregnant to get a council house is not backed by facts.
Seven out of ten 15 and 16 year old mothers, and around half of 17 and 18-year-old mothers, stay in the family home (figures from the YWCA)

Forty two per cent of all poor children live in one parent families. One third (33 per cent) of one parent families live on gross incomes of £200 a week or less. This compares with 3 per cent of married couples, and 10 per cent of cohabiting couples (Gingerbread figures from end 2007)

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 May 09 - 01:52 PM

The old saying needs updating:

It's a wise child that knows its own offspring.

Subject: RE: BS: 13 year old dad-15 year old mum
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 20 May 09 - 11:25 PM

I lived in a council house for 7 years til I left home -- my mother lived there those 7 years and a subsequent 9 years before she died. Council housing saved us from living in a slum (2 up, 2 down and an outside loo .... the Brits will know the reference). We considered the council house heaven on earth and it did not come lightly or easily. We had to fight to get it. I have never heard of a young mum just being moved into a council house because she is pregnant. Many council flats are hideous -- they may fob these off on the young pregnant girls. Oops - no more council houses - I forgot. So one of the best thing about the British system has gone away. One can probably find isolated instances of abuse but the British decided (as is reflected in their health system) that they wouldn't pour millions into bureaucracy to check that a nickel is never spent in error. Give me a break -- SOME PEOPLE NEED A BREAK........if you are eating and housed and paying your bills, what the hell do you care........