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Subject: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,emmie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:49 PM

Hi, I put a thread on here ages ago about good songs for kids. Thanks for all the info you all gave me. I was trying to find a decent recording of some traditional english nursery rhymes as I hate all the cheesy pop versions! I was in dr barnardos in Brixton today where there was this old fashioned car ride, you know the ones where you put money in the slot and it sways from side to side? There were these buttons that had nursery rhyme pictures and when you pressed them, played different songs. My one year old son loved it and insisted on having six goes! Anyway, I couldn't believe my ears when one of the songs...Jack and Jill was being sung by Martin carthy!! Did an internet search when I got home and found it was from a recording called 70 golden nursery rhymes which looks exactly what I'm looking for....folk artists singing many of the songs...but I can't find where to buy it. Any ideas? I'm sure its been deleted...but I would love to try and get hold of a copy!!

Emmie


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:56 PM

We used to have a copy when my children were small, but as the youngest is now 22 I don't have it anymore. So my help is limited to encouraging you to keep looking - it was in a different league to most nursery music.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: sharyn
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 04:36 PM

PM Dick Greenhaus and ask if he knows of it, or search on his CAMSCO website.

Good luck (sounds like a great recording)


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:14 PM

I reckon ,there is apossibility this was a greenwich village recording[owned by Joe Stead ].google . joe stead


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:17 PM

70 Golden Nursery Rhymes
26 Jul 2008 ... 70 Golden Nursery Rhymes Various Artists. Tempo STMP 9031 (LP, UK, 1979). Longman Video SLL 5001 (video, UK, 1982) ...
www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/martin.carthy/records/70goldennurseryrhymes.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:26 PM

Emmie has probably already found the reference, but for the benefit of others there is a full track listing, with basic publishing details, at Reinhard Zierke's website: 70 Golden Nursery Rhymes.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 05:27 PM

Ah. A flurry of interest; my post is now redundant. The Free Reed site suggests that there was also an issue on Pickwick in 1978, but no further detail is given.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 06:28 PM

thanks everyone. I have indeed found that track listing. Doesn't it sound like such a great recording ( sigh)


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 07:16 PM

Have emailed Dick Greenhaus...it isn't available on his site sadly. Looked at Joe Steads site and nothing there! Two good new discoveries there to send me off on another tangent, but no nursery rhymes cd....surely there should be people out there who would love to buy this cd and are also sick of the awful poppy cheesy nursery rhymes that are usually played....drives me insane.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Ed.
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 03:14 AM

It looks like there a copy (on cassette) in Penrith City Library. I don't know if you can get interlibrary loans on such things?


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: gnomad
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 03:28 AM

They don't appear to have the one you are after, but Folk in Education do have a number of recordings by what I would term decent folk artists which might appeal to you.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 04:04 AM

Wow! Good work!! I am going to contact Penrith library...why not? See what happens. I'm very excited also by the folk in education recordings. Am probably going to spend too much getting loads of those. I love Leon Rosselson ( still have nuclear power no thank you which my dad recorded for him years and years ago when he was a sound engineer)

I'm planning to run a babies and toddlers music group when my son's older ( with non cheesy style!) so this is also an excellent source of material1 Thanks mudcat cafe!


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Marje
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 04:32 AM

If you Google for Singing Kettle, you'll find some Scottish folk-style children's song selections, including CDs with some respected singers (Cilla Fisher, Artie Trezise).

I can remember in the 1970s when Listen with Mother included the singing of Peta Webb and Alison MacMorland, but I doubt whether there are any existing recordings of that.

And then there are the Bagpuss songs - not exactly nursery rhymes, but often tradtional-based, and charmingly sung by Sandra Kerr and others.

You're right, it's worth making an effort to get away from the affected pop-style that pervades so many recordings now. Children respond to folk music very intuitively, it doesn't have to be "funky" and over-orchestrated.

Marje


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Terry McDonald
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 04:52 AM

There was also an LP of nursery rhymes sung by Tim Hart and Friends. I've not seen it for years but it might still be in our loft.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 06:29 AM

I have the Tim Hart and Friends LP, it is titled "My Very Favourite Nursery Rhyme Record".


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,giles earle
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 06:32 AM

The Broadside Band also did a CD of nursery rhymes and similar songs, with Vivien Ellis and Tim Laycock. It came out a few years ago now, but is still available.

Old English Nursery Rhymes
issued by Saydisc


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,Barnacle (at work)
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 12:16 PM

I am sure I have something like this. I will have to have a root around when I get home. I still play vinyl, so it won't be in te loft or anything, it is just that I still have lots of it. I did buy a USB turntable, but haven't had time to play, as yet!


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: JohnB
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 04:35 PM

Wikipedia entry on the Tim Hart albumn.
JohnB


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,emmie
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 05:32 AM

hi, I bought the old english nursery rhymes last night from amazon as well as the sandra Kerr playsongs. However, even more frustrated now as I want the Tim Hart recording as well as the Martin Carthy one now :-)


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: RolyH
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 04:38 PM

Guest emmie.Drop me a line at redsuffolk at aol dot com.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: boosh
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 12:42 PM

martin carthy singing nursery rhymes was on a programme called
"a taste of nursery rhymes."


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: fisheye
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 03:04 PM

To all those interested on this forum: Martin Carthy is performing at the Folk Mob at the 'Blackheath Wanders Rugby Club', Eltham London SE.9 on the 25 th March. information at www.folkmob.com

Fisheye


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Reinhard
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 03:17 PM

A copy of the Nursery Rhymes video w/ Martin Carthy is currently on auction at eBay (not by me ;-) and it seems to crop up there every now and then.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 08:17 PM

what was the ride?my dad is intrigued!xe


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 06:34 PM

Hello Eliza ..it was a car that you put money in the slot and then it sways from side to side...will have to go back to Dr Barnardos in Brixton and see what the make was and get back to you. It had six nursery rhymes and one of them was your dad singing with a fiddle player ( hmmm wonder who that could be although it didn't sound like himself), Say hello to your dad from Emmie ;-) and say he has to re-release the recording please, please as there are people out there who would love to listen to it again!! My son Oscar really liked it and he usually only likes arabic drumming because thats mainly what he heard in the womb :-) I was doing a lot of belly dancing at the time!

I got the broadside bands nursery rhymes today and they are very nice ....really enjoyed hearing the verse about Jill laughing at Jacks plaster and her mum saying don't laugh at Jacks disaster as had never heard that one before! Also been listening to Sandra Kerrs playsongs which is very sweet.
Rolyh, I'm going to contact you next time my son gives me a chance..also have bid on the ebay video even though I don't have a video recorder so I can atleast see it! ( no one else is allowed to bid against me mind :-)


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:02 AM

my dad is intrigued

Time to get the performing rights folks to stake out a kiddies ride. "That's 5 plays an hour, 7 days a week..."


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: The Doctor
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 06:18 PM

Re: Captain Birdseye, the Greenwich Village LP was called The Old Songs, Martin Carthy, Maggie Goodall, Sue Harris, John Kirkpatrick, Martyn Wyndham-Read, Mick Doonan and Bob Thomas. It's not nursey rhymes but the sort of folk songs people of my generation = pretty old now, used to sing at junior school. There are 11 tracks:
Early one morning; Cockles and Mussels; Lavenders Blue; Way down Rio; The Minstrel Boy; Oh dear, what can the matter be; Highland Laddie; The Ash Grove; Oh, no John; John Peel; The Skye Boat Song. There has just been another copy on eBay but no longer. Luckily I already had a copy. The same combination also did an LP of Christmas carols, called Yule Tracks.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,emmie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 06:52 PM

thanks for the info on the greenwhich village LP's...will look out for those on ebay...sounds great!


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: emmie w (inactive)
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 11:45 AM

so I went to Dr Barnardos in Brixton today...sadly the car ride is now out of order and my son let out a huge howl as he realised he wasn't going to get to sit in it!

The car ride according to dr barnardos staff is a new one and its owned by a company called photome...see link

http://www.photo-me.co.uk/photo-meuk/kiddie_rides.htm

the car ride is called storybus but they don't appear to sell this one currently

the machine number is 15825

Emmie


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: emmie w (inactive)
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 06:00 AM

Due to the kindness of a mudcat member I've been able to watch the video of 70 golden nursery rhymes with my son and listen to all the songs.

Its really charming and easy on the ear. My son really enjoyed watching the puppets. I was watching it again last night by myself when my son was in bed and was sure that was Martin Carthy dressed as Aitken drum with a hat made of cream cheese and a coat made of good roast beef doing a merry jig and twanging on a ladle! Priceless!!


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: mouldy
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 06:12 AM

I have a video produced by Longman Video in 1982, (which I bought in 1989) called simply "Nursery Rhymes". It features Isla St Clair, Floella Benjamin, Mike Berry, Martin Carthy and Valentine Dyall. It is acted out by real people, and one bit has the Bampton Morris Men on it! I may try to get it on DVD, as my video player is a bit nacked, and I now have grandchildren. Wish me luck!

Andrea


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: emmie w (inactive)
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 04:24 PM

I think thats the same video but with a slightly different name.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: masha
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 05:15 PM

I have an American copy of the video, can't remember the exact title.
It has each nursery rhyme as a "page" in a story book. It was pure luck - my mom, who knew nothing about traditional music and had never heard of Martin Carthy, just happened to give it to me as a present sometime around 1994 when my son was little. I love it!


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: The Doctor
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 04:54 AM

There is currently a copy of Yule Tracks on eBay UK, listed as 'Classic Xmas folk LP Carthy Kirkpatrick etc', no bids to date, start price 10p.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: pavane
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 10:21 AM

Nic Jones did a fine version of "Dance to your Daddie" on an early album. Worth finding just for the guitar.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: mouldy
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 10:33 AM

There was a copy of the Nursery Rhyme video on EBay last week, and I thought I'd like a spare copy as mine's well-used, but I got outbid for it.

Andrea


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: The Doctor
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 02:04 PM

'Dance to your daddy' is on the 1971 Trailer LP 'Nic Jones', and there are currently 2 copies on eBay.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,michael wilson
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 04:41 PM

We got a copy of this from a charity shop 5 years ago and my two sons have both loved it to bits. My two and a half-year old asks for it all the time. Fantastic to hear such musical versions of the nursery favourites with a hark back to the historical roots of each one. Hopefully someone will get the rights to re-release on DVD for the next generation of children.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Kev Boyd
Date: 21 Jan 11 - 06:39 PM

I'm resurrecting this thread as the soundtrack album of this video (under the revised title of "The Classic Nursery Rhymes Collection") is now available on iTunes.

There's still no sign of a DVD release but some kind person has uploaded the entire original video to YouTube and I've stuck them all together in a handy little playlist.

A reminder that Reinhard's site has more info on this release (plus loads more general Carthy/Watersons stuff) and my site has a bit more info too.

Happy nursery rhyming!

Cheers
Kev


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,malc
Date: 22 Jan 11 - 04:33 PM

try this:

"Tim Hart and Friends - My Very Favourite Nursery Rhyme Record"

Bought this for the kids on vinyl years ago, now available on cd from Amazon.
songs by Tim Hart, Maddy, Martin, John K. etc
Classic


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: mouldy
Date: 23 Jan 11 - 02:24 AM

I have hung onto an old VCR so that I can play it for my granddaughter who is just coming up to the right age for it. I SO wish they'd do a DVD....

Andrea


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: GUEST,franc 91
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 06:02 PM

Yes I have two copies of this video - the first is a little worn out, shall we say - and of course I have the Tim Hart and Friends double CD My Very Favourite Nursery Rhyme Record and Drunken Sailor and Other Kids Songs - www.parkrecords.com, as well The Broadside Band's CD Old English Nursery Rhymes from the Saydisc catalogue. Saydisc also released a more specialised CD Children's Singing Games. If you are looking for something similar to the Broadside Band CD, there's the songbook and CD Sing Hey Diddle Diddle published by A & C Black where you can hear Vivien Ellis and Kevin Graal singing traditional nursery rhymes accompanied by Missak Takoushian on the classical guitar. (I prefer the singing of Vivian Ellis personally).
You also might be very lucky if you can get hold of a VHS video called Singing Games for Children arranged and produced by Simon Nicol (of Fairport Convention - just in case you didn't know). Up until fairly recently you could get the DVD from Folk in Education (Toypost) but apparently they no longer have it. I have asked if they could make it available again but sadly I've had no reply. That said, they do still have quite a lot of very interesting folkmusic teaching materials for children. The other VHS video the children like a lot is The Grand Old Duke of York and other favourite nursery play rhymes - again it might still be available somewhere. Jacqui McShee (you don't need me to tell you which group she was in) has recorded with Ulrich Maske two CDs for children for a German record company called Jumbo - they are The Cat and the Fiddle and the second one - The Frog and the Mouse.
Barefoot Books brought out a first edition of Playtime Rhymes for Little People with a CD arranged by Dave Townsend, with Paul Downes Charles Spicer and Caroline Butler and another one called Mother Goose Remembers. Lastly there's Hot Peas & Barley-O -Children's Songs & Games from Scotland compiled by Susan Brumfield.


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Subject: RE: Martin Carthy nursery rhymes
From: Reinhard
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 12:27 AM

If your original video is too worn out, you can replace it with a DVD or CD by now. This issue is titled "The Classic Nursery Rhymes Collection".


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