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Stolen tunes

Bert 21 Feb 09 - 12:48 AM
Stringsinger 21 Feb 09 - 02:45 PM
Leadfingers 21 Feb 09 - 03:00 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Feb 09 - 03:03 PM
Acorn4 21 Feb 09 - 04:19 PM
GUEST 21 Feb 09 - 06:21 PM
bankley 21 Feb 09 - 09:25 PM
bald headed step child 22 Feb 09 - 10:47 AM
GUEST,meself 22 Feb 09 - 10:52 AM
fat B****rd 22 Feb 09 - 11:09 AM
dick greenhaus 22 Feb 09 - 11:32 AM
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Subject: Stolen tunes
From: Bert
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 12:48 AM

In defence of Johnny Cash in that plagiarism thread. He did confess on his San Quentin album that he stole songs. "give me that black book with all the songs I stole in it".

A couple of weeks ago, or more I was driving along singing 'The Goodnight Loving Trail' by Utah Philips and I saw this woman walking along the street.

Her appearance inspired me to write this song...

She was dressed in the Sixties as she strde along
her hair freshly colored in copper and bronze
beads and sandals and a faded sarong
and I didn't catch the song she was humming

Some differnt drummer was marking her tune
this woman of the sun, this child of the moon
just a glimpse of her face, she was gone so soon
and I didn't catch the song she was humming

break


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 02:45 PM

Stravinsky said something to the effect that plagiarism of tunes is considered wrong.
He said that he outright stole them.

Tunes are easily taken and reused. Some tunes are unique, though. I cite the early
Broadway Show writers such as Kern, Gershwin et. al.

No one has stolen "All The Things You Are" successfully.

When it comes to folk music and most popular music, the reason they are folk or pop is that you have heard them before.


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 03:00 PM

And a HELL of a lot of 'Good' writers have borrowed , especially from The Classics ! John O'Dreams (Caddick / Thchaikovsky), The Drovers , (Marsden / Vivaldi) to name but a couple !


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 03:03 PM

Every word we speak was invented by someone else, after all.


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 04:19 PM

And some really unlikely;- "Groovy Kind of Love" by Wayne Fontana and covered by Phil Collins is nicked from a sonatina by the composer Clementi.


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 06:21 PM

What about when someone says they've written a new tune for a trad song, but it turns out to be a melody from a contemporary song that you know but it's obvious no one else does. It happened at a session recently and the guitarist was amazed i picked up the tune so quickly, but it's a song i've been learning and now perform by Rick Kemp.
Sal


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: bankley
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:25 PM

if you borrow from one source, it's plagarism,
if you borrow from several, it's research


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: bald headed step child
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:47 AM

It is very common in bluegrass to take the A part from one song and the B part from another and call it new.

Of course it is very common in bluegrass to steal entire songs from old blues players, then butcher them til they are not recognisable, and call that a new song too.

BHSC


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 10:52 AM

Well... doesn't that pretty much MAKE it a new song?


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 11:09 AM

I suppose if you're gonna steal, you should steal from the best.


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Subject: RE: Stolen tunes
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 11:32 AM

WHEN 'OMER SMOTE 'IS BLOOMIN' LYRE
(Rudyard Kipling)

When 'Omer smote 'is bloomin' lyre
He'd heard men sing on land and sea,
An' what he thought 'e might require
'E went and took--the same as me!

The market-girls and fishermen
The shepherds and' the sailors too
They 'eard old songs turn up again
But kep' it quiet--same as you!

They knew 'e stole; 'e knew they knowed
They didn't tell, nor make a fuss
But winked at 'Omer down the road
An' 'e winked back--the same as us.

'nuff said


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