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Favorite Art Thieme Song

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Subject: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 08:30 PM

Keeping with my theme (no pun intended) on the great mudcat masters who gave us a lifetime of music. Art is a mudcat treasure and national one. Way to many to say what is my all time Art Thieme song but right now I am listening to Blue Mountain ...

so what is yours?


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 08:34 PM

There are countless songs of Art's that I love but having to pick one, the first that comes to mind is not a song but a tall tale, The Great Turtle Drive. I never tire of that one.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 08:38 PM

OH my Gosh
I never heard it Jerry only people talking about it . gotta hear that tall tale sometime

how about it Art share with us


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Joybell
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:07 PM

I've always loved, "That's the Ticket" from way before I knew Art.
Cheers, Joy


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:35 PM

Good people, here is the tall tale I told on stage for over 30 years. I originally got the tale from Jack Thorp's book Pardner Of The Wind. Mr. Thorp put out the first book of cowboy songs ever published in the USA in 1908. That was two years before John Lomax's book of cowboy songs came out in 1910.

THE GREAT TURTLE DRIVE (as adapted and told by Art Thieme -- after Jack Thorp)

Well, it had to be way over 100 years back. There was this fellow having dinner in a place in Kansas City. On the menu was turtle soup -- a very rare commodity out on the American frontier. He ordered himself a bowl of that turtle soup, spooned it down and enjoyed it quite a bit. THEN he got the bill.

After calming down and paying the huge $50.00 price tag on the one bowl of soup, he got to thinking about all the land terrapins out there on the prairie crawling around south of there. If he could gather a bunch of those turtles together he could make a tidy sum.

So this guy went out and hired a crew of fellows that he called Turtle Boys, and he sent them down to southern Texas -- where all the land terrapins roamed wild down there. He gave the boys gunny sacks, and they gathered together a big herd of about thirty thousand head o' turtle. It was an impressive sight; turtles just about as far as you could see. One fine summer day they got out there on the trail and headed 'em north -- the idea being to get 'em all the way to the railroad up near Abilene in Kansas. Truth be told, this was a pretty strange scheme. At the rate the land terrapins moved, about four or five feet per day, it would take them more than thirty years to get to market. But our entrepreneur was one of those Enron-Arthur Andersen, bank and stock market thief guys and, of course, he was blinded to the realities of his venture by all the dollar signs in his eyes.

Ya gotta kind of picture the details of it. They were riding along, hooting and a-hollering, just trying anything to get 'em to move out. Even shooting off their revolvers wasn't very effective. They fed them beans hoping it might sort of jet propel 'em along. (Bad idea.)

At night the turtle boys would be ridin' around the herd and singin' to 'em. Roping strays ya know. (It's not easy to rope a turtle. They just pull in their heads and legs and tail -- the rope just slips off.)

One amazing discovery was that the entire herd, all thirty thousand head o' land terrapins, had to be flipped over every night. The turtle boys had to dismount from their horses, walk over to the herd, and carefully, one by one, they had to flip over all the turtles onto their backs --- to keep 'em from stampeding. After a week or two of this, the turtle boys realized that the turtles' little legs waving around in the air all night tired them out so bad that the next day the animals could only make one or two feet at best. So they had to cut that out. It was all trial and error since a trail drive like this had never been done before.

One good thing that came out of all this was that while they were all bedded down for the night the females would lay eggs. Three weeks later they would hatch out into a secondary herd following the first herd. Our head man just got more and more dollar signs in his eyes. He had a picture in his mind of a whole long string of hurtle turds-------whew, I mean turtle herds -- all stretched out (as it were) all the way to the railhead up north in Abilene.

Well, eventually they got to the banks of the Red River -- that fabled stream that was infamous in the tales and songs of Texas. Sunning himself on the banks of the river was an impressive scholarly-looking mud turtle named Studs -- Studs Turtle. Now, he saw this thundering mass o' turtle flesh barreling down the bluff at him with their nostrils all flared and the steam pouring out -- and he got a little spooked! He jumped right into the river -- and swam away. But the land terrapins, being a few straws short of a bale, followed him into the river. Being land terrapins, of course they all sank like a rock -- and drowned.

Folks, as you might imagine (and I hope you are doing just that) this would've put a quick end to what has, through the years, come to be known as The Great Turtle Drive in the annals of western history. But the turtle boys, being quite resourceful wouldn't let it end there. They started digging these huge pits which they filled with red-hot coals. They pushed boulders into the pits and heated those up until they too were just glowing red hot with heat. Then, using small trees as levers, they pushed the hot rocks into the waters of the Red River. Slowly, the water started to heat up -- and then it started to seethe, boil, steam, and froth. For the next year at least, the Red River ran with turtle soup. Pure stuff. It kept the Indians fed through a very bad winter -- and everyone turned out pretty happy when it was all over.

A year later in that same restaurant in Kansas City, that same guy, this time having a nice bowl of beef stew, had another idea. He told his friend, "I just thought of something. If we could do it with turtles, maybe we should try it with COWS."

And that was the start of the cattle industry in the American West.

Yeah, all the singers of cowboy songs, and the reciters of cowboy poetry, and the lovers of cowboy movies, and the riders of all those bulls (both the mechanical kind and the real ones) -- also the Texans who toss the bull in all those bars -- they ALL owe this fellow a huge and heartfelt THANK YOU for providing them ALL with a subculture they could thrive and get rich and famous within. As my old uncle was so fond of saying, "Fame is proof of how gullible people can be!"

And if you are left wondering how I can sit here and tell this to you now, it's because I was there to see it as it all unfolded-----------and I have turtle recall!


Art Thieme
Peru, Illinois (Where our governors make our license plates!)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:44 PM

Art
   that is priceless
God Bless you, and thank you for your gift of music to all of us.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:46 PM

..... Art is a rare gem of a man. I could no more select one song or one story than I could select my favorite kid. Just can't be done.

I love ya, Art. It is that simple. You once told me how Utah changed your performing life. I would say the same thing about you, my friend. I cannot imagine what performance would be like without you around to swipe this stuff from.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 10:27 PM

I heard him sing a couple of songs on the radio that I don't think he ever put on an album, and those songs were good enough to start me buying his LPs; Golden Vanity, and the Phil Ochs song, While I'm Here.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 10:53 PM

Art has been one of the BIGGEST influences on me since I came to Mudcat and *met* him. His Cowboy's Barbara Allen has a really special place in my heart for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is his delivery of it, but also because I grew up in WY until I was eight and, lived there later, and the song references places I knew there. I love all of his music, though!

But, it's not just his music which has influenced me. It is his freely sharing and caring of his career and experiences which he tells about in such entertaining and humble, yet awesome ways. I know he thinks I go overboard sometimes and I might make him blush, but he IS one of my all-time heroes.

Just one example of the power of his artistry - no pun intended: inevitably, if my Rog or I are in a down mood or we've been snippy with one another, if I put on one of Art's CDs it never fails to lighten our moods and bring us back in sync with one another and our world. There were many miles travelled in Wyoming to Art's music and it brings those good times back to us any time we listen, again.

luvyakat


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 11:39 PM

Jeez, folks, thanks. I'm very glad you liked some of what I did last century. 'Twas an honor to be among you -- swimming in our little folkie pond.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Skivee
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 12:36 AM

I'm also quite fond of "That's The Ticket". Please place one more chaulk mark in the proper column.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 09:22 AM

Pinery Boy, Death of Robin Hood, Master of the Sheepfold. Can't just pick one.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 09:41 AM

Today it is "Betty and Dupree's blues"
I am speechless from the quality and volume of work Art has given us


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 10:36 AM

This is on the web that we all should read
                     
                            Art Thieme Biography
Art is America's best-loved troubador. Many years ago, a great singer by the name of T. Texas Tyler was known as "the man with a million friends". Unfortunately, Tex is no longer with us, but that title has passed on to Art Thieme. Art is a one man skiffle band. His main instruments are his guitar and banjo, but he plays everything from the saw, to the jew's harp, to the nose flute, as well as another dozen or so weird gadgets. None of them, however, is as wierd as his sense of humor. He tells the most outrageous puns and stories so well that you laugh even if you've heard them a dozen times or more. He has donated his time and talents to getting dozens of folk clubs started. He has taught children to make and play home-made instruments. He has taught other musicians, as well. He shares his songs with anyone who will listen. He has written many articles for folk publications. He has folk music radio shows. He he has performed in schools, in concert halls, at concerts, by campfires, and on riverboats. He has collected songs (and bad jokes), while travelling across the country, from hoboes, children and other musicians. Like a real balladeer, he may never sing or play a song the same way twice, but adds new interpretations with each performance. He is a real treasure! ~ Don Stevens, All Music Guide


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 10:50 AM

"While I'm Here" is certainly more proactive sounding than "When I'm Gone".
Hank Snow's The Last Ride is the Art Thieme song that comes to mind immediately. But Along side the Santa Fe Trail is probably my favorite.

Don


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:28 AM

And then there's the Tennessee Stud!


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:40 AM

I'm not going to even try and choose!

All of them!


Best wishes,

Peter


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Uncle Phil
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:48 AM

And Art singing Jerry's A Handful of Songs.
- Phil
(and the stories never go out out style. I used the one about the dog who died after losing his tail a couple weeks ago, properly attributed to Art)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Cool Beans
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 12:32 PM

I like "Vincent." Now, there's a song whose theme is art. What's that? Oh, Art Thieme. OK, it'd have to be "The Night Rider's Lament."


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 12:50 PM

I never learned or sang "When I'm Gone" or "While I'm Here" -- whatever it's called. For me, Terry Leonino and Greg Artzner (Magpie) did the definitive version of it. I'm left wondering who you heard do that song that you thought was me??!

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 06:48 PM

Kat
for me there have only been two people that did Tennessee Stud!
that make me sit down in awe
one is Doc Watson
the other is Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 08:46 PM

Sorry, Art, in my imagination I can hear you singing "When I'm Gone," I'll just have to chalk it up as some kind of auditory hallucination on my part. So I'll vote for Billy Venero.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:46 PM

Gerry,
I will happily accept "Billy Venero" --- It is a real favorite of mine too. And I've always felt that was a fine picking arrangement I figured out for it. What a gutsy/lame thing for me to do --- have the temerity to have my very first LP be a LIVE concert recording?! That old Kicking Mule album turned out o.k. I guess. That was the big bicwntennial year -- 1976 -- when we recorded that.

I have an idea that I'll P,M. you about.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Mar 09 - 11:57 PM

Olddude,

I did get a ton of mileage out of Mr. Driftwood's old song. There are many good memories connected to it for me. like singing it in Arkansas for Jimmy in Glenn Ohrlin's barn one time. Carol and I were picking Stone County ticks off each other for a week every time we came home from there.

Ah nostalgia!!

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: BK Lick
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 02:14 AM

I hope all y'all know about Stefan Wirz's lovingly crafted Art Thieme discography.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 06:45 AM

Art, you'll need my email address, since I'm not a member.
It's gerry@ics.mq.edv.av except that you have to change each v to u.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 01:57 PM

Art
if I were sitting in that barn listening and had to pick the ticks and fleas off of me afterwords,

I would have considered myself blessed cause I heard you do "Tennesse stud" it would have been worth it and a small price for me to pay

God Bless you


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: kendall
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 02:58 PM

No way could I pick a favorite.I've always loved his puns that he sprinkles here and there. Lock moss nesters indeed!


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 04:22 PM

Kendall, the fun of it was making folks think these were off the top o' my head. The hours I spent making it seem spontaneous---no matter how many times you might've heard it before. Thanks. Coming from you, it's a real compliment.
Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 04:36 PM

You have that in common with Utah. That man spent hours and days familiarizing himself with the local goings on, and the jokes and humour, just so's he could sound unrehearsed and off the cuff...... It is the mark of the great storyteller,....... just like the Captain. There is much to learn from you good folks.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,Charles Kratz
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 05:17 PM

I love this romantic medly, particularly the second tune.

"Molly Darling/Mary Charlotte Anne McGhee"

And "Shake Sugaree" And "Cotton-eyed Joe"--just jaw harping and a capella vocal.

And dozens of others--Art's picking is wonderful, both on guitar and banjo; his storytelling is nonpariel, and he has the warmest, most expressive singing voice I've ever heard.

Oh, and I'm one of the lucky ones--I have a tape he gave me with "The Great Turtle Drive" on it, so as wonderful it is to read the tale (particularly with his recent twists), it's better to hear him tell it.

One song mentioned above I don't think I've heard him sing despite my owning four CDs and a tape is "The Night Rider's Lament," a song I truly love and wish I could do justice to, but lacking any falsetto, I can't do the yodel.

Charles (seed)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 06:47 PM

Seed,

You got it! PM me with your mailing address and if my computer is burning CDs well enough, I'll send you a CD I put together of my favorites off those first two Kicking Mule Records LPs---------------long out o' print and never out on a CD. 'Billy Venero' is there too along with 'Night R. L.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: kendall
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 07:22 PM

"The secret of success is sincerity. Once you learn to fake that, you have it made." (George Burns)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 07:35 PM

"Always be sincere, whether you mean it or not!" ---- Art

"Some people have tact. Others tell the truth!" ---Art

"Having 2 faces beats dining alone!" -- Art

Kendall I just put my choice over on your thread, of my favorite of all the songs I heard you sing over the many years. It's been a pleasure to know you and to hear you!


Art (again)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: BK Lick
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 01:34 AM

Guess my favorite's gotta be "Down By The Embarras."
You can listen to it here -- hi la-lie lee la-lee!


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 05:21 PM

Admirer's of Art Thieme might want to have a look at my update http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=119111&messages=1 of the song, Chevrolet, in which I manage to get references to four of Art's albums into the last two verses.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Bob Hitchcock
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 05:36 PM

I think it's very hard for me to come up with one favorite as everything Art seems to do is just wonderful. "The State of Illinois" has always been one of those songs that pops into my head every now and then, maybe it's because my mother-in-law is from there.

I really enjoyed the stories and the jokes too, even though he stole one of mine years ago (but that was ok), the Cottage Cheese story always made me laugh.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 02:37 PM

I just got a new favorite Art Thieme tune, and a revelation about one of the things that makes Art so great. The tune--or rather medley--is "What Does the Deep Sea Know--Cairo--The Lakes of Ponchartrain" and the revelation is that at his best--which is most of the time--Art is two fine artists at the same time, a wonderful singer/storyteller (one of the best) and a great instrumentalist. In this medley he is not so much accompanying himself with the banjo but doing duets, his banjo far more than a background for his singing. Since I first bought "The Older I Get the Better I Was" ten years ago I've been blown away by both his singing and his playing, but it was just this morning as I was listening to him that I realized that there is as much personality and expression in his playing as his singing. Art, thanks so much for the treasure that is your entire ouvre.

Charles


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 10:13 PM

Well, now you've let the secret out. Yep, I'm two people at the same time. Schizoid as all hell! I'm here to tell you that being two-faced isn't as bad as you might think. And schizophrenia sure does beat dining alone all the time!

Thanks, too, for the nice things said about my music, folks. But personally, I have no favorite Art Thieme song. All of my favorites are by many of you!!!!!!!

Love to all,

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 10:21 PM

Naw Charles, I think the old guy may have had one or two that was OK
LOL ... Seriously though I can't think of one he ever did that was not great


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 10:35 PM

Love Art's version of "Bye and Bye". You can almost hear and smell the cauldrons boiling in the crisp autumn. And "Master of the Sheepfold".   And I can't count the people I've told about the Nesters. And never forgotten to give Art credit. (Well, hardly ever.)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 11:58 PM

Mudcatter, Sian In Wales, P.M.'d me a year or two ago and said that he'd told the "Nesters" line to a friend near the real Loch Ness. Later, he was in a pub there, and heard it retold--more than once.

So, I guess one o' my lines has gone back where the original tale began --- and into the oral tradition to boot. I've felt honored by that ever since I heard about it.---Besides it's just really very cool I thought.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,George Stephens
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 12:58 AM

Art,

I'm sure you don't remember me; we met some 25 years ago before a Folklore Society of Greater Washington concert -- on the occasion when Kathy Fink presented you with the "pango" (or vice versa; scholars bicker...).

I say almost every time I perform that "Art Thieme taught me to sing" (in the sense of learning to let a song speak for itself)... not to mention providing about half my repertoire...

I've gotten lots of mileage out of "The Pinery Boy" and "The Shanty Boy From the Big Eau Claire".

Is it conceivable that in the above mentioned concert, while playing the musical saw, you said "There's a vas deferens between playing the saw and not playing it" (or words to that effect)? Or was it my fevered imagination?

George


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 02:19 AM

I dunno' how I missed this thread the first time around but I almost missed it this time as well.

Its hard to pick just one song for Art, but I think I'd say it would be one which Art has expressed great passsion about on many occasions here at Mudcat. Art stated the song was a signal event on the timeline of the serious folk revival and that song was, of course, Waltzing with Bears.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:21 AM

I think the poodle song, "North Country Tragedy' has to be my all-time favourite.

Or maybe the "Cowboy's Barbara Allen'


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 02:23 PM

I like Santa Fe Trail, Shake Sugaree, East Texas Red, Belle Starr, Cowboys Barbara Allen, That's the Ticket, Billy Venero, Sioux Indians,Wilderness Road, Bibble-a-la-doo, Master of the Sheepfold, The Soo Line, Walkie in the Parlour. Shanty boy on the Big Eau Claire, Getting in the Cows, etc, etc, etc, etc,etc. Art is the master folk singer. We should all try to let the song sing to us, just like Art. Burl


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 07:04 PM

George Stephens,
Thanks for the memories of those Washington D.C. times. I think that might've been the trip to the East Coast on which I met Craig Johnson and heard some of his unbelievably nearly perfect song creations. But, as you sort of said, the "panjo" (bedpan banjo) I made, and played in schools for a few years is the very same one I eventually gave to Cathy Fink. --- The line I often used was, "Make sure when you play the saw that the teeth are away from your crotch a few inches or else you could perform a cut-rate vasectomy on yourself. And, yes, there is a "vas deferens" between playing the saw right and doing it wrong."

And Sandra, that 'poodle song'/"North Country Tragedy" was written by Craig Johnson.

Burl, "The Soo Line" is one of Craig's too---as is "The Keweenaw Light" and "Way Down The Road" -- I do wish Mr. Johnson had made a recording of his thaumaturgic songs himself; but no! So I'm just glad I put those 4 songs on my records.--------------- Love to you and Elaine!

Again, thanks good people. I miss hanging with you at festivals and gigs.

Onward,

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 08:04 PM

Art
where did Billy Vernero (sp) come from? that is one of my all time favorite cowboy songs thanks to you ... who wrote that one or is it trad?

Dan


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 09:53 PM

sorry - i am a groupie -- i love all his stuf.......


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,George Stephens
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 11:22 PM

Its my understanding Craig Johnson has a solo album nearly ready to go from Five String Productions. Hope I'm not spreading outright, boldfaced lies!

George


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 11:25 PM

Billy Vanero was a poem written by Eban Rexford---the same fellow who wrote "Silver Threads Among The Gold." Originally called "The Epic Ride Of Paul Venerez" it was printed, first, in Boys Life magazine. As a recitation of sorts, it moved west to the cattle trails and cow camps where the cowboys put it's tune to it. There were a few 78rpm records of it issued. My favorite recording of it was Arkansan, Glenn Ohrlin's---which gave me the idea of singing it. I put the A minor chord in it---and I feel it adds a nostalgia to it that fairly makes the song.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 11:27 PM

If that's true, I couldn't be more elated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep us posted.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 11:41 PM

Me, too!! I love Craig's songs that you did, Art and, of course the WAY YOU did them!

olddude, there is more about Billy Venero HERE. Also, if you want copies of THESE, please let me know. Lots of old treasures on there!

I never could choose just one song by Art. I love them all.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Mark Clark
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 12:29 AM

Don't know why I popped in here just now but I'm sure glad I did. I had never seen this thread either.

I was extremely fortunate in that I got to see Art on stage often enough that I was well aware how many times he told the same jokes and stories. But the great thing was, I never got tired of them even when I knew what the next line was going to be.

Art had a way with an audience and a way of presenting a song or story that let you know you were in the presence of the real deal. I've never given any thought to choosing a “favorite” song that Art did and if I did choose, I'm guessing my answer would be different every time I thought about it.

But I admire Art not only for his musicianship and stage manner (which he worked very hard to perfect) but also for his scholarship. Art always knows where a song comes from, how many ways it's been performed, the conditions under which it was written or simply evolved and values the song---in all it's permutations---far more than the accolades. It's that love of the song and of the story that has shone through Art's work all these many years.

Thank you Mr. Thieme.


      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 08:24 AM

My beautiful daughters range in the ages of 26-31. They like most young people listen to modern music, rap and pretty much everything else. I sent them my version of "blue mountain" Katie wrote me and said "I love it daddy, but I still like the way Art Thieme does it better" LOL.   They listen to their music but on their Ipod lives, Art, and Frank, Jerry, and Kendall, and the list goes on and on. Because they grew up with the music and love it. You see you guys , this was your work, but more than that you left a legacy. One that will live on for generations. Ron Bankley told me once that you can never underestimate the power that music has on a person's life. All of you guys get a little embarrassed when we praise you too much, but you cannot know how many people you reached. In High School I was a rocker, that was the "cool" music. I grew up with country but rock was the thing. Then I heard a song that a neighbor was playing on his record player that was sung by a guy named "Frank Hamilton". Afterwords, I started listening to folk that was my music. You see you guys influenced me, you influenced my kids, when my grandson is born he will know the music and the generations go on. Jerry nailed it with his "handful of songs" that is what you Art and the other masters left us for our kids, grand kids and so on.

Your work was far more than work, you influenced new songwriters, taught new people the old songs, taught other musicians how to play them, showed us the correct way to pick or flail a banjo, how to phrase the old songs. This is what you and others have done. It left behind a legacy that others will follow for generations.

Thank you

Dan


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Elijah Browning
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 02:49 PM

I was in a room filled with Jehovah's Witnesses. They were talking about the recent funeral for Mayor Richard J. Daley. I was five-years-old at the time, and thought that I might take a stab at being both witty and topical.

"It's a good thing they laid him out face down so everyone could kiss him goodbye," I said. I had no idea what that meant. I just knew everybody laughed when Art said it.

I remember that heat creep up the back of my neck as the gray suited men stared down at me, slack-jawed in disbelief. That was the first bump on a very rocky road out of that religion.

One of his most controversial jokes and one of my favorites.

As for songs, I'd say "Hot Buttered Rum" sung in the winter of '79 at the No Exit, freezing or boiling deepending on whether or not the industrial heater hanging from the cieling had kicked in, sharing hot chocolate with Mom, the only Jehovah's Witness I knew who got his jokes.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Rex
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 03:32 PM

I missed this the first time around. And yet no one has mentioned
"The Big Combine". I sure like that one and it is pure Art Thieme. Some of us make an effort to know a song's place in time. Art takes this idea further to know its actual place as well. I will always be grateful for Art introducing us all to "Cowboy's Barbara Allen". Were it not for him, that song would have vanished and no one would have known. Keep singing them Art!

Rex


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Amos
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 03:48 PM

Elijah, thanks for a great guffaw!! I can imagine what you felt like!!!


Art, I join in the fgeneral cacophony of gratitude and celebration, but I ain't naming no favorites because it is too long a list.


A


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 04:06 PM

Pokegama Bear, and Is Your Lights Gone Out. And the Robin Hood one.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 03 Aug 09 - 11:13 PM

I'm amazed that you keep finding this thread and bringing it back. Thanks again for your support, and for favoring some of the songs that were the most transporting for me whenever I sang them. In my head I would see the action in vivid technicolor. In "The Big Combine" I think I got to know those fellows pretty well over the years. And the horses: Limp, and Dude, and Dolly---and Buster. Those were huge hitches of thirty or fifty horses pulling the combine through the wheat. It's a huge wonder that they didn't trample the grain all to hell. And the song was just filled with pride these fellows had in being good at what they did. There was a pride in doing a job well that isn't very evident in modern workplaces at all.
It is grand to know. Thanks again for telling me.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: DonMeixner
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 12:45 PM

I can't think of one I don't like.

Don


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Leadbelly
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:12 PM

That's exactly what I felt, Don, when listening to a lot of songs for the first time in my long life and some follow-ups recently. I cannot qoute for an absolute favorite because all of them are so good and some of them are really fascinating.
Many thanks again, Art,

Manfred from Germany


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,Anita Best
Date: 05 Aug 09 - 02:44 PM

Thanks for the great story.
I was looking at an earlier thread of yours about Mrs. Annie Walters performing at Newport in 1965 and your correspondence with her daughter.If you get a moment, could you e-mail me. I'd love to chat with you about Mrs. Walters and the CDs you sent to her daughter, and the tapes she sent to you. I am working on a project about the (now mostly deceased) singers from this area of Newfoundland. abest@mun.ca


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 05 Aug 09 - 05:35 PM

Manfred,
I'm glad what I sent got there without being broken. It was my pleasure to do it.

Anita Best,
I will be in touch.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:20 AM

I guess I'd say "State of Illinois" is my favorite Art Thieme song, maybe because that't the one I'm listening to now.
Over the years, Bruce Kallick has been developing a Website called Art's Place. There are all sorts of Art Thieme treasures to explore there.
I just discovered a new one today - Art Thieme interviewed by Studs Terkel in 1990, a program that was never aired. Click here and then enter mudcat for both user name and password.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 09:30 PM

Joe, I grew up in Chicago, but then I moved to Illinois.
Thanks.

Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: BK Lick
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 11:29 PM

There's also this thread which I mentioned upthread -- prolly should be a link to it on the Art's Place page too.


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: GUEST,Larry
Date: 05 Mar 11 - 09:57 PM

If I remember correctly, there is a statement on the cover of "outright, Bold-Faced Lies" that the written-out music was available - does anyone know if it still is ?


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 06:28 PM

arry, Back when that album came out there was a TABLATURE book with all the songs done in tab. I believe Marsha Boardwell and John Roost worked it out from the album. But there was no sheet music done for those songs---only tablature.

That said, the label, Kicking Mule, was sold by Stephan Grossman and ED Denson to Fantasy Records. It was never issued on a CD. And those tab booklets are long gone.

Fantasy Records sold all of it's thousands of holdings to a whole other outfit.

I was never able to read tablature, or play from seeing it. I was told that Marsha and John did a good job.

Hoe this helps.
Sincerely,
Art


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 06:31 PM

Have a listen to Art doing Diamond Joe while you are searching
one of my favorites
diamond Joe


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Art Thieme
Date: 08 Mar 11 - 06:34 PM

That ought to read John ROOS (not Roost.)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 09 Mar 11 - 09:23 AM

Thanks for putting up Diamond Joe, Dan. Art, that's a master class in how to sing a folk song!

Best wishes,

Peter


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 09 Mar 11 - 10:04 AM

The big combine (casey jones)
Big Combine


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: olddude
Date: 09 Mar 11 - 10:11 AM

Billy Venero
Billy Venero
Santa Fe Trail

Santa Fe Trail


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: BK Lick
Date: 09 Mar 11 - 09:54 PM

Here's a link to another recording of Art talking about and singing Diamond Joe on a radio interview with Studs Terkel.
(BTW, the link to Art's Place in that post contains a typo.)


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Subject: RE: Favorite Art Thieme Song
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Mar 11 - 10:28 PM

Haven't had a good chance to catch up with this for awhile. Somehow I got this far in life without ever hearing The Santa Fe Trail, or hearing Art sing it. Add it to my list of songs, and performances that strike me as just abolutely melt-down sweet.
Those Youtubes of Art "At the No Exit, Circa 1982" ? There's a real good chance they're from a night that I was in the audience. I was in an apartment less than two blocks away at the time.


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