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Lyr Req: Scottish Settler's Lament

Pauline 30 Jun 99 - 12:04 AM
Sandy Paton 30 Jun 99 - 12:10 AM
Lesley N. 30 Jun 99 - 09:05 AM
30 Jun 99 - 03:13 PM
Lesley N. 30 Jun 99 - 08:59 PM
Wolfgang 01 Jul 99 - 07:36 AM
Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca 01 Jul 99 - 05:16 PM
Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca 01 Jul 99 - 05:30 PM
Tucker 01 Jul 99 - 08:04 PM
Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca 01 Jul 99 - 08:24 PM
Pauline 02 Jul 99 - 02:40 PM
Jim Dixon 24 Feb 11 - 08:35 PM
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Subject: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Pauline
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 12:04 AM

I recently heard a tune called The Scottish Settlers' Lament on a Tannahill Weavers CD. It sounds a lot like Miss Admiral Gordon's Strathspey, which reappears with a slightly different rhythm as a Robert Burns song called, "Of All the Airts." Can anyone help me find the lyrics to The Scottish Settlers' Lament? (I could not find it on the Digital Tradition.) Also, does anyone know about the historical connections among these songs? (Bruce, I'm counting on you for the history question.)

Pauline


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 12:10 AM

You may be thinking of what we know as "The Scarborough Settler's Lament." to me, the tune always sounded quite like a variant of "Lord Derwentwater's Farewell." Ed Trickett recorded it for Folk-Legacy, and Stan Rogers included it on his "For the Family" recording. Look at the text in the DT under the Scarborough title, and see if that's the song you want. It sure is a beauty!

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Lesley N.
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 09:05 AM

What information I have on it is here (along with Barry Taylor's midi and lyrics).

I'd retype it here - but I gotta go to DC. Will add it when I get back...


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
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Date: 30 Jun 99 - 03:13 PM

There has been some controversy as to whether Wm. Marshall's "Miss Admiral Gordon's Strathspey" (1781) was derived from the tune "The Lowland of Holland" in 'The Scots Musical Museum' #115 (1788), or vice versa. As regards publication dates Marshall's tune is older, and accepted as the original by John Glen in 'Early Scottish Melodies' and James Dick in 'The Songs of Robert Burns'. Wm. Stenhouse, "Illustrations to the Scots Musical Museum", claimed the "Lowlands of Holland" tune (with this title) was in a manuscript compiled by Robert Bremner in Stenhouse's possession, which, if true, would reverse the priority, but the manuscript is now unknown, so Stenhouse's identification of the tune can't be verified.


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Lesley N.
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 08:59 PM

Thanks very much for the information! I've stolen most of it and added it to my page.... (with reference to DT, of course).


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Jul 99 - 07:36 AM

you'll find it as well on the fine Tannahill Weavers Homepage which has nearly all of their lyrics and a glossary for the Scottish. For this one go to their Land of Light CD.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 01 Jul 99 - 05:16 PM

The version in the database is corrupt.

The Scarborough in question is outside of Toronto -- Scarberia, as it is now called due to its ugliness.

Stan Rogers did a very good cover of it on "For The Family". Yes, the tune is O' A' the Airts the Wind Can Blaw.

The Canadian lyrics were written in the 1840's.


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 01 Jul 99 - 05:30 PM

It's banished SWISS. What are banished Swill?:)

I think the original also used "auld Scotia" and not "auld Scotland".

Combe, not comb.

Actually Scarborough/Scarberia is now part of the Toronto megacity.


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Tucker
Date: 01 Jul 99 - 08:04 PM

I thank ye all for a fine song.


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca
Date: 01 Jul 99 - 08:24 PM

I've always had a hunch that the original was in a much broader Scots.


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Subject: RE: Scottish song in vasrious forms
From: Pauline
Date: 02 Jul 99 - 02:40 PM

Thank you all for your help. Special thanks to those who gave me links to follow. I've learned a lot about both my posted question and how to find lyrics, etc. in various sites on the Web.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Settler's Lament
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Feb 11 - 08:35 PM

Wolfgang's link is dead.

The lyrics to THE SCOTTISH SETTLER'S LAMENT can be found at the Tannahill Weavers' (new) web site. At first glance, they appear to be the same as the song in our DT: THE SCARBOROUGH SETTLER'S LAMENT.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Scottish Settler's Lament
From: ollaimh
Date: 25 Feb 11 - 10:58 AM

the song the scarborough's settlers lament is also in the penguin book of canadian folk songs.l i hqave often wondered if the tune was borrowed.

it starts with
"away with canada's muddy creeks and canada's fields of pine"

not a great song to introduce modern canadians to folk==they get the wrong impression


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