BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: goatfell
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 01:11 PM

when you're in Britian follow our rules and laws as everyone else has to do I would do the same in a muslim country I would follow their rules and laws when in Rome...

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 01:09 PM

>>We do quite rightly object if we welcome people to our shores and then have those people come into our country and attempt to enforce changes on us in order that they can practice their own cultures and religions. <<

Hear hear. Support this 100%

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 01:04 PM

"People in the UK who complain about other cultures contaminating the indigenous culture in the UK are ignoring Britain's long history of going into other peoples' lands and forcing the British culture down the indigenous peoples' throats (often at the point of a gun)." - CarolC

Care to name them CarolC, or is this just a bit of good ol' American invention?? Give you a hint - while the British had Hawaii there was no "assault" on the local culture, customs or language. The US took over and damn near wiped the lot out to such an extent that a concerted effort was required to revive all three. The British held onto Fiji and no such effort had to be made because we tended not to ram our culture down peoples throats.

"What is ironic is that people don't see the hypocrisy about the government of the UK going into Afghanistan, where strict Islam is a part of the local culture, and trying to prevent people from practicing it, while at the same time complaining about people coming into their country and practicing a foreign culture. One gets the impression that some people in the UK think they have a right to impose their culture on people in other countries, while not being willing to tolerate other cultures in their midst." - CarolC

In what way is the "government of the UK going into Afghanistan" CarolC?? As far as I am aware NATO forces are present in Afghanistan at the invitiation of the Afghan Government and under the terms of a United Nations Mandate as ISAF. Please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.

In what way are ISAF forces "preventing people from practicing" their religion, culture or customs in Afghanistan??

In what way are people in the UK averse to people coming to our country and practicing their own cultures and religions??

We do quite rightly object if we welcome people to our shores and then have those people come into our country and attempt to enforce changes on us in order that they can practice their own cultures and religions.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 08:02 AM

It was suggested by another poster in this thread that the UK government is fighting people who have "imposed" strict Islam on the people of their country. The attitude that it's ok for the UK government to do that, but that it's not ok for people to practice their own culture in the UK is what is hypocritical.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 07:20 AM

Carol, at the risk of being boring. The British AND American troops in Afghanistan are NOT preventing the indigenous people from practicing their religion.
They are helping the country to resist the malign influences of the Taleban, who under the guise of religion, have killed artistic expression, stopped the education of women, and increased the production and sale of opium, in order to fund this zealotry.
I don't know what's hypocritical about that.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 07:10 AM

What is ironic is that people don't see the hypocrisy about the government of the UK going into Afghanistan, where strict Islam is a part of the local culture, and trying to prevent people from practicing it, while at the same time complaining about people coming into their country and practicing a foreign culture. One gets the impression that some people in the UK think they have a right to impose their culture on people in other countries, while not being willing to tolerate other cultures in their midst.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: GUEST,Bob
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 06:12 AM

Isn't it supremely ironic that we have our British troops fighting in Afghanistan against an enemy that would and has, introduced fundamental Islam and Sharia law on its nation- Yet, here in south London we see a Christain based school capitulate in the face of- yes you guessed it... fundamental Islam!

The Governor's of Old Palace and the Whitgift Foundation need to overturn this decsion, find a new head and re-establish the principles upon which this school was founded.

It is for those who choose to follow fundamental Islam to adapt to British social norms and values, not the other way around.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 05:44 AM

I think the story would still have some news interest, even were the added element of Muslims not involved.
Imagine it as an all girls school, [which it is].
Who rents out part of it's facilties to a gymnastic club [which it does].
The girl's mothers object to the fact that there are males present in an all female environment at a time which means their girls MAY come in contact with said boys, [which they did]
There you have it, insularity, unreality, and intolerence.
That's the way of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Rasener
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 05:28 AM

Well I didn't, the newspaper did.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 05:14 AM

Nero fiddled whilst Rome burnt DeG

What on earth is that supposed to mean? Anyone can quote meaningless platitudes.

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

See, even I can quote bollocks when I like:-)

The question I aksed, still unanswered, is why even mention that they are Moslems?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: meself
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 02:10 AM

Nothing. You learn to live with each other. (The wives inviting each other over for tea is a good way to start).

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: 3refs
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 01:18 AM

I took a real beating tonight refereeing a hockey game in Barrie. I had my feet taken out from behind me and(as I was told by the observers)it looked like I laid out the biggest Randy "Macho Man" Savage elbow you ever saw!
The meds are working fine.......just fine!

That's why I'm asking (previous post) if I don't like that, what can I do? Hypothetically speaking, if I want to live where hockey fans live and I find that place, what can I do if a non-hockey-fan moves in and finds my likings offensive?

Trying not to offend anyone!!!

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: 3refs
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 01:05 AM

I have a tendency to look at the big picture, and even if I haven't got a freakin clue, I'll voice my opinion, if asked! I learned through the "school of hard knocks" that "It is better to remain silent and thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt! I also know that if you keep your mouth shut, you'll never be heard! If you don't ask, you might never know!

Why is it that we all must live together?

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 10:21 PM

I went to an all-boys Catholic high school - a seminary, in fact. We let nuns from a neighboring convent use our swimming pool. One time, I walked in on a bunch of nuns in the locker room.
I left in a hurry, before anybody saw me and before I saw anything I wasn't supposed to see.
I was embarrassed, but I survived.

I dunno. Don't you people in the UK have one-gender schools and one-gender locker rooms, or is that considered unwholesome?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 10:10 PM

People in the UK who complain about other cultures contaminating the indigenous culture in the UK are ignoring Britain's long history of going into other peoples' lands and forcing the British culture down the indigenous peoples' throats (often at the point of a gun).

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Rasener
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 07:52 PM

Nero fiddled whilst Rome burnt DeG

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 07:03 PM

This is about some people who believe that their children are best served by keeping them from real life and paying for the right to do so. Why even mention that they are Moslems?

A young man ran drove his car into the back of mine when I was on Sainsbury's car park the other day. It is neither use nor ornament to mention that he was black. He was just an inexperienced driver. If I said that a an inexperienced driver ran into me it would not make the news. Yet people are happy to read that young drivers cause accidents or that a black man caused some distress at a supermarket.

Sorry but this type of biased tripe is why I stopped buying newspapers.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: GUEST,patty o'dawes
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 04:12 PM

apologies - of course I meant private.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 03:28 PM

This is NOT public education. It is private education. Therefore money talks. It may not best serve the isolated pupils, but money talks.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: GUEST,patty o'dawes
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 02:55 PM

"If the school is over-subscribed then they can afford to lose people who are not happy with the way it is run."

Yes, so it would seem, however in these credit crunch times public education is believed to be in for a shake up, in so much as the affluent parents will not be quite so affluent.

The school will not wish to do anything to harm it's present and future revenue. Letting parents believe they have the power to influence policy will do the school no harm financially.

Ironically the only harm could be to the girls themselves - who are being disproportionately protected form a non existent threat.

Money talks.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 01:46 PM

If the school is over-subscribed then they can afford to lose people who are not happy with the way it is run.

One of my pevious headteachers had removed a girl from lessons because she would not wear the correct uniform. She said that her mother said that she could go to school wearing the clothes she was in. The headteacher said "WE make the rules here" - end of matter.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 12:59 PM

"As for this 'all-girls' school, it says that it has 250 members of which only 36 are boys. Why are the boys there? Just for the revenue? A large price to pay for false advertising." - Ebbie

The Girls school does not have 250 members of which 36 are boys, the Girls School Ebbie will have a damn sight more than 250 PUPILS and according to their web-site only amongst those enrolled in the nursery play-school will you find any boys.

As to how the school is run, I would doubt very much it would be over-subscribed if the school was endangering the physical or moral welfare of anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 12:27 PM

"Most Australians believe in God"?

Really?

How quaint.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 12:19 PM

This alleged speech, has been circulating on the seamier side of the internet for some time, and it's typical BNP type fodder.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 12:17 PM

snip "The thriving Shirley Gymnastics Club, which has 250 members of both sexes, has been using the school hall five evenings a week for the past 14 months."

snip "Now the club, which has just 36 boys among its members, has been ordered to stop using the school hall by April 3. "

Now, which end of the stick was that again?

I'm waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 12:06 PM

If this had happened in Australia there may have been uproar.

I am lead to believe that Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday ( I don`t know which Wednesday) to get out of Australia....

[Unattributed copy-paste (click) deleted. If you wish to copy-paste part of a post, tell us where you got it from. This one is on 613 Websites already, and doesn't need to be at Mudcat. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator]

I would be interested to know if "Aussie" catters recognise orn have heard above?

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 11:35 AM

Whole new can of worms, ALERT :)

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: GUEST,patty o'dawes
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 11:35 AM

I know this school very well. It is hugely over subscribed and the few parents making the complaint are imo exploiting this fact, to use strong arm tactics to show their might.

Boys attending an after school club have NO effect on their daughters education. If their presence has an adverse effect on their daughters moral being, then the problem lies with the family.

Ridiculous situation brought upon by knee jerk parents, who believe money triumphs over commonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 10:51 AM

Well, no, not necessarily "according to their beliefs and standards". Parents might sincerely believe that their child was a vampire and that unless it was allowed to eat human flesh at school it would die.

In this case parents, apparently believing the dictates of their religion, seem to object to their daughters being able to meet boys at all. I have some worry whether that is objectively in the best interests of their daughters.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 10:39 AM

"parents of children attending a school do not run the school and have got no business telling a school what it can or cannot do."

Parents have a moral obligation to speak up if their child's school is endangering their physical or moral welfare. This is true whether the school is public or private.

Recently, a young girl committed suicide when the abusive teasing and bullying over pictures her mean-spirited ex-boyfriend circulated at school. The mother tried to get the school to intervene. They offered minimal efforts.The attacks were both verbal and physical.

I would have been there with a lawyer and sorted out the little shits really quickly. I hope the school is sued and the adults who refused to take charge are held personally responsible. If our children, by law, have to attend school then parent have a right and obligation to ensure that the school is safe according to their beliefs and standards.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 10:26 AM

Teribus says:

parents of children attending a school do not run the school and have got no business telling a school what it can or cannot do.

Boy, I don't think you could get away with saying that in the United States. That's a very different perspective from what we have here in the U.S., especially in private schools.

I do think the use of the term "Muslim" in the thread title, puts an unnecessary "spin" on the story. What if you titled it: "Gym in Private Girls' School Closed to Boys"? In many places in the world, that wouldn't even be news. People would yawn and say, "So what?" or "Well, DUH!"

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 10:18 AM

Just to clarify one thing, the Muslim pupils are there because it's a girls only school, not because it's a Muslim school.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 10:03 AM

Any parent has the *right* to complain to a school when they object to anything the school is doing. In fact any paying customer, has the right to complain about a service that they are paying for.

The school also has the *right* to ignore them if it CHOOSES to (so long as it is not breaking any legally binding agreement.)

In this instance the school obviously CHOSE out of financial self-interest, to retain the paying custom of these parents...

I guess like most private services, the school wishes to provide a service that will satisfy it's customers, and not have them taking their custom and coin, elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 09:58 AM

The school's "authorities", by asking the gym club to find someplace else to practice, are clearly making a choice between their students' parents' concerns and complaints and those of the gym club. Both, presumably, pay for the privilege of being there. The schools' educational mission has, one assumes, been on-going for many years, while the gym club has been there for slightly over a year. Why should the needs of an after-hours club trump those of the school's students?

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 09:35 AM

The religion of the parents is irrelevant, parents of children attending a school do not run the school and have got no business telling a school what it can or cannot do. If they do not like what is going on, then their course of action is quite clear, withdraw their children from the school and enroll them elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 09:32 AM

Ah! Whitgift! It has always pretended to be Dulwich, but never succeeded.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 08:53 AM

Old Palace School.
Intersting in the light iof the accent upon Muslim parents in the news article, that this school has a Christian foundation!

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 08:47 AM

There seems to be a spin put on this by the Daily Express (surprise, surprise...)to make it appearis that this is purely and simply a matter of Muslim parents. I suspect that some of those preferring to keep boys out of the school, even for out of hours activities, might well not in fact be Muslims.

Without knowing a lot more about it than we do it's wrong to jump to the assumption that all those "complaints from parents" were necessarily unreasonable.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: 3refs
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 08:04 AM

My country is quite young(142 years old),considering that some others have been around for many centuries with some others being called the cradle of civilization.

I enjoy other cultures and diversity, but I prefer to live in and promote what's considered the free and open society that my predecessors fought and died for and I don't pretend for one second that we are perfect!. I can understand that a person might feel their individual rights are being stomped on and to you I say "I'm sorry! I'm quite sure that the mode of transportation that brought you here has improved somewhat and your trip back will likely be more comfortable!

CANADA PENSION - A Must Read. Only in Canada .

Do not apply for your old age pension...
Apply to be a refugee. It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2, 470.00.
This compares very well to a single pensioner who, after contributing to the growth and development of Canada for 40 or 50 years, can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.
Furthermore if you had the wisdom to have a RRSP and made other income generating investments you may have earned the right to receive nothing from the Federal Government as they claw your Old Age Pension back because in their opinion you do not need it!!!!!
Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

So, let's get the refugees cut back to $1,012.00 and the pensioners up to $2,470.00, so they can enjoy the money they were forced to submit to the Canadian government for those 40 to 50 years.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 07:56 AM

Extended Schools and the Every Child Matters initiative is a central government creation.

The core offer includes:

.   A varied range of activities including study support, sport and music clubs, combined with childcare in primary schools

.   Parenting and family support

.   Swift and easy access to targeted and specialist services

.   Community access to facilities including adult and family learning, ICT and sports grounds

Schools will need to work closely with parents, children and others to shape these activities around the needs of their community and may choose to provide extra services in response to demand.

This however does not strictly apply to independent (private) schools. They can simply offer other after school activities which will placate the complaining parents and satisfy the Ofsted requirements.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 07:16 AM

Attending an all-girls school means being educated with girls, it does not mean zero contact with boys. It would be wrong to suggest that a 16 year old boy who has left school should be excluded from working in the grounds of the school just in case he has some very limited contact with the pupils.

There was a problem last year at the same school over Halal food.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 05:16 AM

Ebbie, if I've got it right, there are no boys attending the school, only girls. The complainers are parents of girls who are students at the school, and they are complaining about boys attending a gymnastics club which is privately-run, and which hires the school hall out of school hours.

It's yet another case of the tail trying to wag the dog and, as usual, they'll get their way because the authorities are so short in the testicles department they won't stand up to the troublemakers.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Rasener
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 05:11 AM

Well said Teribus

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Rasener
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 05:09 AM

We are poor, but we paid for gymnastic lessons and swimming lessons for our oldest daugher. It stretched our budget, but we felt it was good for her. It was a mixed class on both occasions. Never had any issues.
Again, although we can't really afford it, we pay for both our daughters to have professional trampoling lessons every week and is mixed. They love it and really look forward to it each week.
All of the above have helped to look after their health.
It also teaches them respect and discipline.

I agree with BWM, they are at least not sitting on the settee, slumming it.

And yes, I still disagree totally with their decision.

>>I visited a lot of countries over the years and always respected their traditions. It is what you do. If anyone wants to settle in Britain please do, but please respect our country and our traditions. Don't come in and tell us what to do. <<

Well said Victor in Mapperton.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 05:04 AM

"If I understand correctly, this is a private (private in the US sense, meaning, not with federal funds) school that bills itself as "all girl". Why did the school violate its charter?"

"As for this 'all-girls' school, it says that it has 250 members of which only 36 are boys. Why are the boys there? Just for the revenue? A large price to pay for false advertising."

Two statements by Ebbie, who clearly has the wrong end of the stick.

If she were to read the opening post to this thread she would have picked up on the fact that it is: "The thriving Shirley Gymnastics Club, which has 250 members of both sexes, has been using the school hall five evenings a week for the past 14 months."

So no charter has been "violated". There has been no "false advertising". What the school quite rightly is doing is to make most use of its facilities. Answer here though seems simple. You have a group of parents who object to this club using the schools facilities and want it closed. The Club no doubt pays the school for the use of its facilities. You therefore have a number of parents dictating what the school can and cannot do. You have a clear loss of income. As Head of Governors I would invite those parents to stump up if you want to cost the school revenue and give the Gymnastics Club a reasonable interval to find new premises.

It would be interesting to know how many of the Gymnastics club members are also children who attend the school. I would imagine that there are a few and the 36 boys, particularly the younger ones are probably the little brothers of the girl pupils. Stopping the activities of the Club at the school will no doubt increase the logistical problems of those who wish to attend and those of the parents who wish to attend. When my children were attending school their various clubs, etc sometimes meant that either my wife or I drove 140 miles a day delivering them and picking them up. Had those clubs been dictated to in the way that it would appear this one has then my children would have followed half the sporting interests that they did.

Actual best way forward is that the parents are told in no uncertain terms that they do not run the school and that if they don't like it they can withdraw their children from the school and send them elsewhere where the cultural and religious constraints of the parents can be pandered to. The state of education in the UK is such that a "good" school is quite a rarity and if you've found one you cling onto it for the sake of your children.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 03:43 AM

There's a fine line between 'pushy parent' and 'concerned for health parent' that can easy stray over into 'paranoid basket-case parent'.

I have never believed that single sex education is a good thing - I'm the product of one such school that banned us from sitting within 6ft of the fence to stop pupils talking to and kissing boys through the fence, a rule that was enforced more rigourously than the ones designed for our safety.

I can see though, that many people, not just Muslims, prefer to keep their daughters away from contact with boys, particularly in a situation like a sports club, where clothing is, perforce, minimal. When we have headlines like '15yr old mum, 13yr old dad', I can appreciate that many parents want to keep their daughters as safe and healthy as possible and the way they think this will happen is to keep them apart from half the human race.

This whole situation needs to be treated with respect and fairness, not going off at half cock and mouthing off about local funding, financial avarice or 'our country, our rules'.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 03:29 AM

In general the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 does not apply to single sex schools. The discrimination by the school against the few boys in th gymn club (which is separate from the school) prima facie to be lawful. It is, it seems, on purely economic grounds.

Interesting, in a sort of way, that most UK single sex private schools ("public schools" in UK speak) were established by or for one religions, over time came to contain a larger proportion than the population as a whole of another religion, and now, it seems, contain a larger proportion than the population as a whole of a third.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 03:08 AM

"private gym club for pushy parents who want to force their 5-year-old kids to do more gymnastics than the local authority is willing to pay for."

So you'd rather they let their kids stay at home sitting on their arses in front of the TV or computer, getting fat and bone-idle, and setting out on a life-course towards diabetes, heart-disease and an early death?

Why should the willingness, or otherwise, of the LA to pay for childrens' activities be the limiter of what the children do? Would you be happy to let your kid lead an unhealthy lifestyle simply because the LA wouldn't stump up the cash for them to have somewhere to take their chosen form of exercise?

I wouldn't, and I didn't. When my kids were young I paid for them to attend a privately-run swimming club at our LA Swimming Pool, because the LA didn't fund swimming clubs. As a result they became excellent swimmers, swam competitively at many galas in our region, got fit, learned lifesaving, and they still have a healthy physical activity they can enjoy for the whole of their lives.

But I suppose that makes me a pushy parent?

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Mar 09 - 09:59 PM

If I understand correctly, this is a private (private in the US sense, meaning, not with federal funds) school that bills itself as "all girl". Why did the school violate its charter?

There are a number of schools and classes in the US that in recent years have gone to one-sex presentations on the basis of getting better results from both sexes. A good case, they claim, can be made that everybody should go back to that.

As for this 'all-girls' school, it says that it has 250 members of which only 36 are boys. Why are the boys there? Just for the revenue? A large price to pay for false advertising.

If, for whatever reason, I felt it necessary for my daughter's well being to send her to a single-sex school and I was paying for that service I would be seriously miffed if I found that they were slippig others in.

Subject: RE: BS: School Gym forced to shut by Muslims UK
From: nager
Date: 07 Mar 09 - 09:14 PM

I attended co-ed schools and colleges in my youth and to me being segregated is not the way to do things. However I tend to agree with what Sinsull said earlier in this thread. Like it or not, that's what these parents paid for and expect to get. The gym sessions should have been explained to them though before they paid their money. Couldn't they find somewhere for the little boys to do gym at 5pm and then, as the school has offered, let the others use the school gym after 6.30pm.