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Darwin Song Project

GUEST,Alan Surtees 09 Mar 09 - 10:43 AM
Jack Campin 09 Mar 09 - 06:33 PM
MoorleyMan 09 Mar 09 - 07:40 PM
Desert Dancer 09 Mar 09 - 07:49 PM
Desert Dancer 09 Mar 09 - 07:52 PM
GUEST,Alan Surtees 10 Mar 09 - 05:53 AM
Will Fly 10 Mar 09 - 05:58 AM
pavane 10 Mar 09 - 06:30 AM
Will Fly 10 Mar 09 - 06:41 AM
GUEST,Alan Surtees 10 Mar 09 - 07:55 AM
Black belt caterpillar wrestler 10 Mar 09 - 08:14 AM
evansakes 10 Mar 09 - 08:19 AM
Desert Dancer 10 Mar 09 - 03:08 PM
RTim 10 Mar 09 - 03:38 PM
GUEST 17 Mar 09 - 10:00 AM
greg stephens 17 Mar 09 - 11:40 AM
Jack Campin 17 Mar 09 - 12:28 PM
Stringsinger 17 Mar 09 - 01:11 PM
evansakes 25 Mar 09 - 04:35 AM
Jack Blandiver 25 Mar 09 - 04:48 AM
evansakes 25 Mar 09 - 04:58 AM
bubblyrat 25 Mar 09 - 05:28 AM
oldhippie 25 Mar 09 - 07:16 AM
Les in Chorlton 25 Mar 09 - 09:59 AM
Jack Campin 25 Mar 09 - 10:29 AM
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Subject: DARWIN SONG PROJECT
From: GUEST,Alan Surtees
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 10:43 AM

Shrewsbury folk festival will be presenting the Darwin Song Project at Theatre Severn in Shrewsbury on Thursday 19th March. Already sold out, the evening concert featuring Chris Wood, Karine Polwart, Jez Lowe, Stu Hannah (Megson) Rachel McShane, Emily Smith, Mark Erelli and Krista Detor will be broadcast mid morning on Radio 4 on the 27th March.

The project has been brought together by festival director Neil Pearson after many months planning. The whole concert will be repeated at the festival in August and will offer a unique opportunity to see all of these artists working together presenting songs with a Darwinian theme.

The project is planned as part of Shrewsbury's celebrations of the bicentenary of Darwin's birth (in Shrewsbury). In fact Darwin's house overlooks the festival site on the West Mid Showground so the event could not be more appropriate. A CD will be recorded at the Theatre Severn concert and will be available in a couple of month's time and certainly at the festival.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 06:33 PM

I wanna see them done with actions.

Particularly the whole cast doing the chimp faces from The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals and the choreography for The Formation of Vegetable Mould Through the Action of Worms.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 07:40 PM

Oh dear, JackCampin - better not ask if they'll be performing Robin Williamson's Evolution Rag... (I detect a facetious thread creep coming on!)


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 07:49 PM

The New York Times had a Darwin Song Contest, of which the Darwin Division was won by a David Haines, a British singer-songwriter. Fertile ground?

(They've had various other amusing science song contests in the Tierney Lab blog.)

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 09 Mar 09 - 07:52 PM

Regarding the Shrewsbury project, is this folk songs with a Darwinian theme (the weak/foolish/ugly don't mate/survive)? Or new material on the topic and the author?

~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: GUEST,Alan Surtees
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 05:53 AM

This is entirely new material, each artist has been commissioned to write a song(or songs)and the group will spend a week in retreat at the Darwin Song House, which is located on the idyllic Acton Scott Estate in South Shropshire. The songhouse dates back to the 16th century, and was already 250 years old when Darwin was born.

We wanted to give the artists a freedom to explore all the possibilities for songs to be created around this amazing man. The commission asks for; songs that have a resonance and relevance to the life of Darwin.

Having seen some of the early drafts I'm sure this project will have a major impact on the folk genre, and one which will be appreciated for many yewars to come.

All details can be found on the Shrewsbury Folk Festival website.

Just Google: Shrewsbury Folk Festival


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 05:58 AM

***Thread creep alert***

I was in Shrewsbury last Saturday - (the ghost of CD was everywhere) - and can recommend the pre-theatre meal at the Frank bar and café in the Frankwell area, by the new theatre. Two courses for £10.95 - three for £13.95 and excellent quality all round.

And, no, I don't have shares in the Frank bar and café - happened upon it before heading out to Worthen to see Mike Sanchez at Worthen village hall...


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: pavane
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 06:30 AM

Once again, our local hero doesn't get a look in.
Alfred Russel Wallace, who formed his early views when studying the Red Admiral butterfly in Bryncoch, Neath, not 200m from my house.


See WIKIPEDIA
If ever a scientist didn't get his fair share of posthumous glory, it was Alfred Russel Wallace. Wallace co-founded the theory of natural selection with the country gentleman Charles Darwin, but though Wallace enjoyed recognition during his own lifetime, his contributions were largely overlooked for much of the 20th century.

Wallace made a similar breakthrough in understanding evolution. In 1855, he published a paper entitled "On the law which has regulated the introduction of new species" in a prestigious periodical, Annals and Magazine of Natural History, explaining the spatial and temporal closeness of similar species. A few years later, weak with a bout of malaria, Wallace had a flash of insight on how species change. The result was his scientific paper "On the Tendency of varieties to depart indefinitely from the original type." Although he didn't use the term "natural selection," he argued the same thing [...]

Rather than send his paper directly to a publisher, Wallace instead sent the manuscript to Charles Darwin, with whom he had initiated a correspondence. Darwin had earlier been warned, by friends who had seen Wallace's 1855 paper, that the young man was onto the process of evolution, but he apparently hadn't taken their warnings very seriously.
Upon seeing Wallace's succinct, eloquent paper, however, Darwin realized he was about to be scooped, and decided to end the 20-year delay in publishing his own theory. Wallace's paper and Darwin's various notes and correspondence on the subject were read at the same Linnaean Society meeting, in London on July 1, 1858.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 06:41 AM

Wallace also lived just down the road from me in the West Sussex village of Hurstpierpoint - and there's a nice blue plaque on the wall celebrating that fact. As Wikipedia says, though, largely overlooked for much of the 20th century.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: GUEST,Alan Surtees
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 07:55 AM

I'm simply failing. I started this thread yesterday because I thought the Darwin Project would be of interest to our world of folk. Only to find that I had picked the wrong scientist and selected the wrong singer/songwriters to contribute to the project[see: Shrewsbury Folk Festival (uk)].

But at least I know where to eat.

You do have to smile.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 08:14 AM

But don't you have a problem with songs about Darwin? By the time you think you have written the lyrics down the words of the first verse will have already evolved.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: evansakes
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 08:19 AM

You should be well used to it by now, Alan.

After all you're always getting it wrong aren't you? Consistently booking the wrong kind of act for the festival which of course is in the wrong location and on the wrong weekend and attracts the wrong kind of people. Plus there aren't enough showers, too many uncontrolled dogs and not enough choice of beer and cider blah blah blah.

With that track record I'm surprised you haven't given up by now :-)

ps I've got my tickets for the Darwin concert on the 19th....can't wait! I'm really looking forward to getting plenty more ammunition to complain about Shrewsbury Folk Festival


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 03:08 PM

Well, it sounds like a great time to me, Alan, but I don't think I can make it there; I'll have to make do with the CD. Have a great time!

~ Becky in Tucson, that's Arizona, U.S.A


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: RTim
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 03:38 PM

Do you have to die while singing the song?

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 10:00 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: greg stephens
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 11:40 AM

The feature that distinguishes folk music (or perhaps I should say traditional folk music?) from other genres is the fact that the material evolves spontaneously, so that we have versions of the same songs (words or tunes) generations, or even centuries, apart. And they change in mysterious fashions. Surely, given this feature of folk music, it was a rather strange idea to celebrate Charles Darwin by commisioning a set of new songs, which, by the nature of modern copyright law, will remain somewhat static, in all probability.
Now, my idea for a Darwin Shrewsbury celebration was the opposite: to celebrate the evolution of folk music in the region over the last ...well, over as long as it has been documented. A Galapagos, rather than a Cruft's approach, I suppose.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 12:28 PM

If Shrewsbury had evolved it would be Primatesbury.

Was Darwin known to sing or play an instrument? Did he have any contact with musical figures of his time, from Wheatstone to Jenny Lind to Sterndale Bennett? Are there any descriptions of music in his writings?


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Mar 09 - 01:11 PM

I think folk music evolves in somewhat the same way that species do. There can be a steady grade on one side of the mountain but at other times, an instant creative flash although I find the latter to be somewhat overblown. The cult of "originality" in the arts has been
romanticized and even the most creative seemingly fresh endeavor can be traced to an antecedent.

We have great songs only because the process of songwriting has taken time to evolve.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: evansakes
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:35 AM

From the latest Shrewsbury Folk Festival newsletter....

"The Darwin Song Project took place between the 13th - 20th March 2009, with a final concert in the new Theatre Severn on Thursday 19th.
The quality of the songs was staggering and the sold out concert was a huge success. The are many opportunities to hear, see and read the results of the song house.

BBC Radio 4 11am March 27th - documentary on the whole week with artist interviews & songs
BBC Radio 2 7pm April 8th - Mike Harding show, three songs from the live concert
BBC Folk Blog late March - April 8th, all eight artists will add their thoughts on the project.

We will have a professional video of the event by the end of next week, we'll add clips to the main website and blog as we have them here.

There will be a full CD release of the show available before the festival in August - we'll let you all know when it's finished!"

I was at the concert in Shrewsbury last Thursday...it was a triumph.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:48 AM

And not a word about whether or not these singer/songwriters in writing their own songs actually qualify as being Folk! Or will they be singing Traditional Songs that meet the 1954 Definition on a Darwinian theme?? Or is the 1954 Definition Darwinian enough??

Firstly, the tune is to some extent translated into the accepted idiom, so that the continuity of tradition is maintained; secondly, it ceases to be static and stereotyped, but becomes multiform through the individual variations made by its performers; and thirdly, the forms in which the tune ultimately survives are determined by the community: for the variations which meet with approval persist, and the others die out. In this sense, a folk song, even when it has an individual origin, may be said to be of communal authorship.

Forgive me, it's been a hard week & it's only Wednesday.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: evansakes
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:58 AM

"not a word about whether or not these singer/songwriters in writing their own songs actually qualify as being Folk!"

Dear Sinister Supporter,

Instead of pontificating about definitions why don't you actually listen to the songs first?

I suggest you do so with an open mind, refrain from vacuous box-ticking and simply ask yourself whether they're good or not.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: bubblyrat
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 05:28 AM

It would be nice if one of them sang "All of The Monkeys Ain't in The Zoo",don't you agree ?


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: oldhippie
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 07:16 AM

Two songs for consideration:

"Dam In The River of Life" and "Primates Swingin'" both from Jonathan Pepper CD "American Evolution".


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 09:59 AM

I'm about 3/4 of the way through "The Voyage of the Beagle". Rather tantalizingly Darwin refers to men from the Beagle singing songs and sometimes singing them in social situations with aboriginal people in Tierra Del Fuego and I think Tahiti.

Who's up for a song collecting trip?

Cheers

L in C


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:29 AM

You can forget about Tierra del Fuego because all the Fuegians died out.

Tahiti might be a possibility. Polynesian culture has a long collective memory.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:49 AM

Dear Sinister Supporter,

Instead of pontificating about definitions why don't you actually listen to the songs first?

I suggest you do so with an open mind, refrain from vacuous box-ticking and simply ask yourself whether they're good or not.


You misunderstand. On another thread - the over-long 1954 and All That - defining folk music - I have opened up a can of worms by daring to suggest that Folk Song can be anything sung in the name of Folk Song. So here we have a thread about Folk Singers writing Folk Songs on a Darwinian theme as part of a Folk Festival. Whilst I doubt such songs would appeal to me personally (I'm afraid I have terribly narrow tastes when it comes to this sort of thing) I would nevertheless defend the right of such songs to be be classed as Folk Songs according to their context and intention rather than the mind-numbing convolutions of the 1954 Definition and those who hold it to be a sacrosanct and self-evident truth.

Rather ironically in the context of this thread I find that clause in the 1954 Definition to be rather Darwinian. I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:30 AM

Sorry I didn't realise the Fuegians had gone.

L in C


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: evansakes
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:02 PM

Sinister Supporter, I think you must be making the mistake of thinking that all those of us contributing to this thread because we're interested in a project where creative modern artists are commissioned to write new material on a particular theme....would be remotely interested in connecting it to another thread about something entirely different.

It might be easier for all concerned if discussions about '1954 Definitions' remained on the relevant thread.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:04 PM

Yes, that'l be it hey Sean?

Les


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:16 PM

Yo Les! Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEMpQzXROfg


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 05:09 AM

Wow, that looks like a serious ascent hard to tell who is who - are you involved? We have only been up Blencathra once - a gentle slide round from Mungrisedale but still amazing on top. We met Chris Bonnington's wife on the way up - that's the trouble with North Lakes - Bonningtons everwhere!

See both soon?

Les


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 09:00 AM

Me? No way - I get the fear standing on a chair. Even watching this stuff makes me nervous, but I love it - and what it represents in terms of wondrous experience...

You'll see us next time we have a Thursday free; we've given up on late nights mid-week.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: GUEST,Sandra
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:24 PM

A listen again feature is availble on radio 4 for anyone who missed the programme this morning.


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: evansakes
Date: 30 May 09 - 05:20 AM

Details of the album have now been published on the Darwin Song Project website (along with 1 minute samples of all the songs performed)

http://www.darwinsongproject.com/cd.htm


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Subject: RE: Darwin Song Project
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 May 09 - 11:54 AM

Congratulations!

Charley Noble


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