Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE

Subject: Tech: Sing Out! Wesite crashes Firefox, not IE
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 06:58 PM

I went to the Sing Out! Magazine Website today, http://singout.org/, and found it had some very nice improvements. One problem, though - it seems to work find in Internet Explorer, but crashes Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. Editor Mark Moss says it has been tested with all those browsers, and seems to think it may be a problem with Java on my computer - but why does it work for me on IE?

Anybody else have this problem?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 07:13 PM

I've had some problems with Firefox crashing - doesn't seem to be any particular site that causes the problem for me.

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: bobad
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 07:13 PM

I just tried it with Firefox and it works OK for me. Did get some permission requests from Zone Alarm for Java though but just okayed them and on we went. I do have the very latest version of Java which I just installed the other day.

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 07:25 PM

It loaded for me ok, Joe....(in Firefox)

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 07:47 PM

I have Firefox 3.0.7 and had no problems with the Sing Out site, either with your link or going directly there. I didn't see anything about Java, however, so its possible that I'm missing something.

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 08:05 PM

Doesn't crash iCab 2.9.9 for MacOS 9, but it's ugly and unusably slow, with gratuitous Javascript slowing everything down.

The Legacy Books part of the site is just a page of lorem ipsum.

Looks like it was done by somebody's 12-year-old son after being given a Web Design For Dummies book for his birthday.

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 10:06 PM

Just tried it in FireFox 3 on MacOS 10.4.11. No problems but it didn't look much better than on iCab and I still got the lorem ipsum.

I'm using NoScript to block all Javascript unless I say otherwise, AdBlock Plus, and something that blocks autoloading of Flash modules, so it takes a lot of funny stuff to cause problems. I'm not about to put Sing Out on any of my permitted lists for these filters yet, though.

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 12:46 AM

Firefox (on an Windows XP PC) worked fine for me... wow, they have jazzed up the site, so there's plenty of potential for Java problems...

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 01:30 AM

Well, I got the latest Java add-on for Firefox, and it still crashes my browser. Is it Windows Vista that's the problem?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not I
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 04:17 AM

You have gone to the Java Control Panel and you have selected the Firefox/Netscape Option then try the Debugging option in Java that will keep a log of events.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

My current "irritation" is Google infestation Everywhere! Even with the opt out enacted places like Max's lovely kingdom (that was once one of the cleanest - quickest loading sites on the net) has continual "ET phone homes" to googleads.g.doubleclick.net and pagead2.googlesyndication.com

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 06:25 AM

Joe -

I suspect you got "the latest Java" from Microsoft?

While I don't actually know that there's a significant difference, I've been getting "the real Java" updates direct from Sun Microsystems since a minor problem with what I got from Mickey seemed to go away when I went direct a year or so ago.

I can't say going to Sun is a "solution" for you without figuring out the details of your problem, but my Vista with Sun Java doesn't seem to have any problems with the site.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 09:12 AM

Interesting, Garg...I get no ads at all, even the ones that used to appear at the bottom of Mudcat pages. I have the "AdBlock Plus" Firefox add-on, which (I'm pretty sure) does it for me.

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 12:44 PM

no problem here with Firefox

but I'm not impressed with the new site
too gimmicky and cluttered with widgets, etc.
and the on-line version of SingOut! mag
is not something I'd like to read on line
if they're going to do an on-line version
make it more readable and different from the print version
scrolling up and down columns and left to right panels
and zooming in and out is too much bother

definitely not impressed!

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: Stewart
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 12:57 PM

oops, that's me,

Stewart

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: bobad
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 02:49 PM

"My current "irritation" is Google infestation Everywhere! Even with the opt out enacted places like Max's lovely kingdom (that was once one of the cleanest - quickest loading sites on the net) has continual "ET phone homes" to googleads.g.doubleclick.net and pagead2.googlesyndication.com "

Adblock Plus for Firefox eliminates those irritations.

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not I
From: treewind
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 03:45 PM

That page shows up 34 error on the Validator at http://validator.w3.org/
which might not help.

For one thing, the <embed> element is widely used and totally non-standard. <object> is the right way to do it.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not I
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 04:11 PM

Joe - I hope you have it worked out - what was the solution?

I had finished (an hour before) dumping all my cache of Java "CR-APPlets" because of a peculiar "JAVA worm" I appear to have picked up from Germany 18 months ago....and recent scans showed its location ... so JAVA was fresh on my mind when your situation came up ... my real concern was something far more serious (from Mudcat discussions) that thankfully was not there.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Art and bobad - it is not the popups - I get NO advertising....the sites have been blocked in the browser Firefox and in Zone Alarm and in At-Guard...and through Google's Opt Out....However, they are the EveryReady Bunny they keep loading and loading and loading in the background....overtime - the HD keeps saving the stuff as RAM cache.

It is in the event log traffic that is not visable in the browser but going on behind the scenes - within a 1.25 second period 30K of "data cached" to the machine - as I entered the Mudcat from a "a new complete shutoff and cache/RAM dump."

googleads.g.doubleclick.net TIME 1:15
googleads.g.doubleclick.net TIME 1.25
............maps.google.com TIME 2:06
pagead2.googlesyndication.com TIME 1:14

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 04:46 PM

Recent articles have mentioned a complaint that Firefox is something of a "memory hog." On a Vista machine, where Vista needs lots of room to play, and with lots of java thrashing about, it may be as simple as an "inadequate machine" (?). Vista really needs about 2GB RAM all by itself to be efficient, and if you have the "popular" 1GB the additional load from Firefox could bog things down, particularly on a site that needs lots of (java) add-ins.

Since Firefox in particular requires you to add on lots of plug-ins to tailor the system you want, you may just be bogged down with an excess of riches there, to add to the misery(?).

(I don't know much about memory needs for the other browsers mentioned, and comments about Firefox are just comments - unconfirmed.)

Java also has been "commented" as not fully backward compatible, and some recent/current versions have trouble with pages set up using "obsolete" versions. You can have more than one version on your machine, and IE (through IE7, so far the beta IE8 doesn't work with much of anything) does a pretty good job of invoking "whichever" a site needs, if the latest version doesn't work. In IE, you can set individual versions to "open only when needed" and/or to prompt before using (or turn them off entirely). To "work the problem" directly, you almost have to get the troubled site owner to "admit" to what version was used to build the site - and often they won't know.

(Random thoughts while taking a break from cleaning out the basement.)

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Sing Out! Website crashes Firefox, not IE
From: olddude
Date: 12 Mar 09 - 06:28 PM

firefox version 3.07 works fine in both Vista and Linux for me
I suspect it is the java version. Get the Java runtime from sun not microsoft ... I agree this is probably the issue