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Origins: Barton / Eccles

Esther1977 13 Mar 09 - 03:20 PM
Paul Burke 13 Mar 09 - 04:04 PM
John J 13 Mar 09 - 07:34 PM
GUEST,Raggytash 14 Mar 09 - 12:37 AM
Roughyed 14 Mar 09 - 03:26 AM
GUEST,raggytash 14 Mar 09 - 03:55 AM
John J 14 Mar 09 - 08:02 AM
GUEST,Helen Jocys 14 Mar 09 - 08:55 AM
Leadfingers 15 Mar 09 - 08:04 AM
greg stephens 15 Mar 09 - 10:02 AM
greg stephens 15 Mar 09 - 10:06 AM
tijuanatime 15 Mar 09 - 12:37 PM
Esther1977 15 Mar 09 - 01:28 PM
GUEST 16 Mar 09 - 09:58 AM
Raggytash 18 Mar 09 - 12:49 PM
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Roughyed 18 Mar 09 - 05:51 PM
Raggytash 19 Mar 09 - 04:41 AM
doncatterall 19 Mar 09 - 09:14 AM
John J 19 Mar 09 - 03:32 PM
doncatterall 21 Mar 09 - 06:47 AM
Dave the Gnome 21 Mar 09 - 07:11 AM
Dave the Gnome 21 Mar 09 - 07:20 AM
GUEST,J Michael Taylor Trustee Robert Stephenson T 15 Apr 09 - 03:53 PM
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Subject: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Esther1977
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 03:20 PM

I am looking for songs related to Eccles/ Barton/ Trafford/ The Greater Manchester Ship Canal/ Salford. Any subject or era X


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 04:04 PM

There were ballads written at the time of the agitation for the Manchetser Ship Canal- I recall one in the vein of beaches, bathing machines and donkeys- probably some Roy Palmer book is one place to look.

As for Barton, there must have been a ballad or two about the Bridgewater Canal and Brindley's aqueduct, though I've never heard of any. Local Studies libraries probably best place to start.

Eccles was a place where nothing much happened bar the cakes- except Eccles Wakes- there WAS a song about that- a trip out from Manchester for fun, ending in IIRC fighting, fun and thickening around the waist. Probably Roy Palmer again.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: John J
Date: 13 Mar 09 - 07:34 PM

If you PM Bernard I'm sure he's be able to help you.

John


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 12:37 AM

Dig boys, load boys and haul away
digging up the cut me lads of manchester way




The Roving Navvy I think its called


The first railway fatality died in Eccles in Monks Hall Museum


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Roughyed
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 03:26 AM

It was the vicarage where Huskisson died. he was in teh Duke of Wellingtons carriage and lost his balance climbing into it after a stop. He fell into the path of a train on the other track which ran over his leg. He was taken by train at top speed to Eccles vicarage where he died 9 hours later. I seem to remember a song a bit like the Good Ship Kangaroo about the Ship Canal mentioning a lighthose at Pomona Dock.I'll have a dig about and see what I can find.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 03:55 AM

not going to rub heads with you roughyed, you must never do that but I think the meseum was the vicarage at the time


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: John J
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 08:02 AM

The Good Ship Calabar?

JJ


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: GUEST,Helen Jocys
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 08:55 AM

As the original name for Eccles was 'Ecclesia' maybe there is a song relating to its religious beginnings.

HelenJ.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 08:04 AM

John J - Just as a change from The Irish claiming all our songs , I THINK Calabah was originally an Irish Canal Song !


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 10:02 AM

"Away Down to Pomona" (the original song that transformed itself intoi the Cornish classic Away Down to Lamorna) refers to Pomona down in Trafford. It was a place noted for shenanigans in its time.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 10:06 AM

Here you are:
Pomona Pleasure Gardens

Pomona Gardens on the banks of the river Irwell were named after Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit trees, gardens and orchards and they occupied the site of Dock 2 and parts of Docks 1 and 3 of Manchester Ship Canal. By road they were approached along Cornbrook Road and by river they could be approached by steamer, a ferry boat from the towpath on the Salford side of the river and by rowing boat.

The gardens originally surrounded a private residence with orchards but in the 1830s these were converted into public Zoological Gardens and in later years pavilions were built for refreshment and dancing. Famous people of the day who visited these pavilions to make speeches include Benjamin Disraeli, John Bright and the Duke of Devonshire.

Now I'm going to sing of a nice young Lady Fair.
I met some time ago at the corner of Albert Square.
She had jet black eyes, I thought I'd like to own her.
In a voice so sweet she asked of me the way down to Pomona.

We met in Albert Square, that night.
I'll ne'er forget.
Her eyes shone like diamonds and the evening it was wet.
Her hair hung down in curls, that lovely little Donah.
We rode that night in great delight; away down to Pomona.

We had scarce got in the cab; when she asked of me my name.
Of course, I gave it to her and asked of her the same.
She lifted up her veil, for her face was covered over.
And upon my life it was my wife I was taking down to Pomona.

She said, "Do you know me now, for we are not in the dark?"
Of course, I answered, "Yes, but it was only a lark."
"Then for your larking pay, forgetting your lonely Donah."
"You've had your say and now you'll have to pay."
"For taking your wife down to Pomona."


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: tijuanatime
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 12:37 PM

Have a look here


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Esther1977
Date: 15 Mar 09 - 01:28 PM

Plenty to go on there. Much appreciated X


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 09 - 09:58 AM

I've got a feeling you are right Raggytash and Monks Hall and the old vicarage are one and the same. It's not a museum any more it was a restaurant for a while and I don't think it's in use at the moment which is a shame.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 12:49 PM

I haven't lived there since 1980 so I expect it has changed a little since then, the parish church is an absolute gem though, always admired it even as a child growing up in Ellesmere Park. Is it George or Robert Stephenson who is buried at the back of the church, I seem to recall it was George but cannot be certain


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:49 PM

According to the excellent website "ecclesparishchurch" '...Some gravestones were saved, among them that of Robert Stephenson, son of the 19th century railway pioneer George Stephenson. George was Chief Engineer for the Liverpool to Manchester railway line, which opened in 1830, passing through Eccles. It was the first regular commercial passenger railway in the world and ushered in the Railway Age and the industrial development of Manchester. But the famous Stephenson's Rocket locomotive was actually built by Robert Stephenson. His gravestone can be seen outside the church, behind the East window'

It doesn't help with songs but it's interesting for a couple of ex sons of Eccles. I left in 1976 and I was the guest above but it seems you have to reset your cookie every time you post on this site recently


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Roughyed
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:51 PM

I have now reset my cookie three times but at least you know who I am! Hope you are well Raggytash and your lovely family.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 04:41 AM

Roughyed who are you, do I know you, the only catter I knew from Eccles was Piedpiper


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: doncatterall
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 09:14 AM

I'm from Eccles - Winton/Monton/Ellesmere Park


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: John J
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 03:32 PM

Good heavens Don, that's THREE places, nay four...how did you manage to split yourself up so much?!

Hope you're all well.

JJ


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: doncatterall
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 06:47 AM

John Boy

To clarify: lived in Anson St then Portland Rd then Catherine St then Marsden St before moving away

Don


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 07:11 AM

The song mentioned to the tune of the Callibar, or more correctly Brighton Camp/The girl I left behind me, is about Manchester canals and starts

"The SS Irwell left this port
The stormy seas to cross
She weighed the lead and went ahead
on a voyage to Barton Moss"

Not specificaly about Barton or Eccles as it ends up "East Nor' East of Bailey Bridge, just south of Salford Station" and goes around Pin Mill Brow at one point - Seems to be an amalgamation of The Rochdale and Bridgewater canals or maybe just artistic licence:-)

The Roving Navy as mentioned by Raggytash was written by Ian Woods with a last verse put in place by Gary and Vera Aspey on their 'From the North' album. Ian wrote it when living in Moore near Warrington and overlooking the Manchester Ship Canal; just in case you wondered what a Suffolk lad was doing writing about Manchester:-)

On the canal theme, Brian Peters does one about bringing the sea to Manchester which is about the ship canal as well. From a broadsheet I believe.

One song I will try my best to get for you is about Eccles 'Wakes'. Found by our local historian, Chris, and put to music by a fellow Swinton Organiser it was resurected resently at Eccles church during some festival or another. One line in it that has me realy puzzled is where the narator tells us that 'Banbury Cakes' were available. Does it pre-date Eccles cakes I ask myself or is it derived from a wakes song from further south?

A little local rhyme from Swinton -

Pancake Tuesday's a very happy day
If you don't give us a holiday we'll all run away
Where will you run to?
Down Folly Lane
I'll tell the teacher
and you'll get the cane

For those not in the know, Folly Lane links Swinton and Eccles.

Watch this space for the Eccles Wakes song...

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 07:20 AM

Someone has already posted the SS Irwell song - Here Lots of other good canal songs on the site as well - Enjoy:-)

For any overseas visitors confused by the mention of Eccles Wakes, it has nothing to do with a 'Wake' as in Ireland - See here for more details.

Cheers

DeG


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Subject: RE: Origins: Barton / Eccles
From: GUEST,J Michael Taylor Trustee Robert Stephenson T
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 03:53 PM

Robert Stephenson was buried in Westminster Abbey 150 years ago. He is one of only 2 engineers given this honour. The other being Thomas Telford.


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