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Subject: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:03 PM

I just got a smoker from my friend who had seven or eight and needed to get rid of at least one. So I went and got charcoal (the real stuff, not those briquets they want you to use) and wood chips (hickory - it seemed like the right choice). And I smoked up some baby back ribs. They tasted good, but they ended up tasting and smelling more like bacon than ribs. The hickory, I know. But now I realize how little I know about smoking. And I need advice.

What to cook?
What type of wood chips? Charcoal?
Water pan - wet chips or dry?

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Emma B
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:08 PM

smoked duck breast is wonderful - there's a recipe here


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:30 PM

I've no idea how to *use* a smoker,
but I absolutely love smoked cheese, and I also love smoked Tofu (though I doubt that'd be on most peoples lists..), smoked fish - salmon or trout... or any oily fish is fantastic!
I've bought smoked garlic from sainsburies, which tastes great, and I also now regularly buy Maldon Salt companies smoked sea salt - which adds a lovely light flavour to anything you use it with.

If you look around your deli and smarter supermarkets, you might get some great ideas to experiment with?

Smoked duck breast sounds simply yum! In fact I expect a lot of game would work well treated in a similar fashion.

Does the smoker sorta dry and preserve stuff, or does it just flavour?

Be interested to know how you get on...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:31 PM

Turkey, trout, salmon, oysters, clams, chicken, beef, hams, venison...and experiment with vegetables as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:51 PM

Mmmm . . . smoked duck. Thanks, Emma!

My brothers do a lot of fishing up and down the west coast (from Alaska to the tip of Baja) and they always bring back loads of fish. I think I'll hit them up for some salmon. My family goes to Sierra Nevada to trout fish in the Summer. I'll bring some back this time. Does tuna smoke well?

And there's always pork shoulder.

And whole chickens, I'll try that one, too.

Can you smoke brisket, tri-tip, London broil?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 04:57 PM

Go to any recipe site and search up "smoked" and you should find quite a few hints from which to improvise based on what meats (and cheeses) you can get locally. Also ask your local butcher who will know what cuts are best tenderized via smoking and, probably, which woods go with which meats/cuts.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: DougR
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:11 PM

There are some excellent books on smoking meat. A few of them: "Home Book of Smoke Cooking, Meat, Fish & Game" by Jack Sleight & Raymond Hull: "Smoke and Spice" by Cheryl Alters Jamison and Bill Jamison; Dr. BBQ's Big-Time Barbecue Cookbook," by Ray Lampe.

All of these, with the possible exception of the first one listed, would be available from Amazon.Com Lots of recipes for brisket, sausage, different cuts of beef, pork, fowl, and fish.

Hope that helps. I have an electric Masterbuilt Smoker and use it a lot. Primarily brisket, ribs, chicken, and turkey.

We had quite a discussion on smoking meat a few years ago here on the Mudcat and you might want to check that subject in the archives.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: DougR
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:12 PM

Oops, forgot to add, google Smoked Food and you might be surprised how much information is available online.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:20 PM

Some cheeses are great when smoked.

Don't get caught smoking herb.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Jayto
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:24 PM

Brisket, pork chops, pork ribs (or beef if you want).

Brisket or beef ribs use mesquite

everything else use hickory.

I use Stubbs moppin sauce or dry rub while cooking. Then Stubbs sauce (reg BBQ) after when I finish.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: DougR
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:36 PM

Apple wood is good too, as is Cherry wood. Stubbs is good, but there are lots of good recipes out there for rubs for different types of meat.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 05:53 PM

Thanks to everyone for the advice. I usually make my own dry rubs and sauces when BBQing on the old Weber. But I see lots of smoke in my future . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:02 PM

I live near the American River in Northern California, a major salmon spawning site and a great place for salmon fishing. Smoking salmon is almost as popular sport here, as catching it. I had a neighbor in Sacramento who used to keep me supplied, so I never had the need to learn how to catch and smoke it myself. Then he got divorced and moved away, and I've been without a good supply for a long time.

But I became an expert at eating it - it goes great with beer.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Emma B
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:08 PM

and with a chilled Chardonnay too!

Smoked Chardonnay marinated Salmon


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Jayto
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:52 PM

When I lived around Seattle we always used Alder to smoke the salmon it was great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: The Villan
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 06:55 PM

Smoked Eel (Gerookte Paling) in Holland is a speciality. Its lovely served on toast.
If you are going to buy the eel live, just be careful the eel doesn't bite your fingers off before you get to killing it.

Gerookte Paling


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 09:15 PM

Personally,



I do

chedder cheese

(tricky to keep the temperature cool) and you want to do a triple smoke on it...and let it sit at the back of the frig for a month covered with plastic-wrap... and then dip in parrafin and bee's wax to preserve.



With the price of

Beef

so cheap - it is a good time for jerky - that will last a year. Tri-Tip is easier than a whole sirloin.



Salmon

- whole half slabs - on the skin - include the head. Again - watch the heat - it MUST be cool.



Rub with: Fresh squeezed lemon juice

1-TBS salt

1tsp cracked black peppe
r
1tsp sugar



Enjoy, You are in for some delicious eats. A wet-mopped brisket that falls apart is your destination.



Sincerely,

Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: GUEST,harpgirl
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 09:21 PM

Turkey!!!!!! hig garg...going to amsterdam anytime soon?


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 09:37 PM

Gargoyle -

My friend is Mark Soden, who I've known for 25 years at least. He knows his stuff - hell, he won the World Tri-Tip Challenge a few years back. And I haved asked him for advice. But I also want to know what you guys think.

Thanks.

No, he's not a thief or a merchant or a craftsman, he's just a BBQ junkie. I think his wife wants him to down-scale, hence the gift to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 09:50 PM

Harpy-

Delighted - you are still around...and no longer masquerading as our dear friend Abby Sail.

No more NL and DE ...now the middle east and western Europe

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: jeffp
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 10:08 PM

Alder is good for salmon.

Fruitwoods are great since it's nearly impossible to oversmoke with apple or cherry.

How to Grill by Stephen Raichlen is a great book. It covers grilling and smoking. I have never had a failure using his books. The Barbecue Bible website has a forum with a lot of experienced people.

Turkey breasts and Pork butts are magnificent smoked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Jayto
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 10:42 PM

I boil brats in beer with onion, garlic, pepper etc... and then I smoke them low for a pretty long time. I then take the onions and all out of the beer and sautee them in butter, worchestire sauce and lemon juice to use on the brats. I use hickory to smoke the brats. man it is good.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Acme
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 10:59 PM

Back up a little, please. What kind of smoker is this?

I use a Luhr Jensen type, an aluminum box with a stack of shelves that load into it from the top. An electric element on the bottom and a pan for the wood chips. Hopefully it's still working since my crazy-ass catahoula leaped a gate in the garage and took the smoker with her when she landed on the other side. That would be a disaster, but I would replace it with something similar.

There are cast iron barrel-shaped smokers for Texas style barbecue that have charcoal and probably wood chips and have smokestacks and tow behind pickup trucks. There are backyard grills that have smoker features along with their LP fuel that heats up the wood chips.

My smoker doesn't cook meat as much as flavor it; at least, I choose not to leave it in that coolish box for as long as it would take to cook some meat. I do salmon in it all the way usually, after brining it (it's detailed, I'm sure I've posted my recipe and instructions here before). Salmon might take the time involved to smoke two or three pans of wood chips (I use alder for salmon). I put a chicken in for a single pan's worth of chips, and bake it in the oven rest of the way. Same with turkey breast, maybe two pans, tops. Too much smoke flavor not only is overpowering, it isn't good for you.

In cool weather I do cheddar cheese the way my father taught me--put it on the top shelf and leave it in for 30 minutes. That's enough.

So, as with computer problems when we ask what make and operating system, please give us some of the hardware and power supply information.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Gurney
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:42 PM

You do have to differentiate between hot-smokers and cold-smokers.

Hot smokers are a way of smoke-flavouring food whilst cooking it. They are small and usually in one piece.

Cold-smokers are a way of preserving and drying food in smoke. The smoke usually comes from a firebox through a tube into the smokehouse.

Slightly different techniques ars needed, because cold-smoked food is usually as dry as possible before smoking, often salted for a while to dry it out.

I only hot-smoke, but people here who have access to large quantities of fish, for instance, usually cold-smoke. There are people who make a living from cold-smoking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 24 Mar 09 - 11:53 PM

This one is cylinder-shaped, with a tray for wood chips. It uses charcoal. There are several layers upon which to place food. So far I've cooked ribs, pork shoulder and one whole chicken.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Gurney
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 12:47 AM

Hot-smoker, Michael.
Most of them that are available here use methylated spirit burners. You use meths in the USA, but don't call it that. Impure ethyl/methyl alcohol with purple colouring and a bitter taste to stop Shane drinking it.

I prefer to cook fish in mine, oily, dark-fleshed fish that aren't so nice cooked in other ways.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: DougR
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 01:23 AM

SRS: You can always put the meat in the smoker and apply a couple of hours of smoke and finish it in the oven inside.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:11 AM

Oak is the best and hot smoked sea trout is sublime.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 07:34 AM

We smoked some snig (eel) one time, but when it came out of the smoker, it tasted vile.

Even the cat turned her nose up at it !

Agree with Dave H - smoked trout (sea or no) is indeed sublime.

I love smoked venison, and my beloved loves smoked salmon.

Smoked Lancashire cheese or Cheshire cheese - wow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 09:10 AM

Out hyar in The West we-uns jist slice up tha buffler in chunks about a quarter inch thick and hang 'em out on tha clothes-line ta dry in the sun. Takes a day er so in Summertime, but the dust from the passin' cattle herds adds that sartain flavor ya cain't git any other way. In wet weather, which we ain't got much of, er in the winter, we smokes 'em over buffler er cow chips.

Ah cain't honestly rekermend either method.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Jayto
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:47 AM

Hickory man Hickory for God's sake man Hickory!!!! lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Acme
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 10:51 AM

Doug R, that is how I often cook food if I want smokey flavor but don't want to deal with the consequences of slow cooking meat (takes a long time, and sometimes it either doesn't "feel" completely cooked or it can come out too dry). I sometimes cook the fish all the way in the smoker, but I don't typically leave a whole chicken in it for hours, I let the oven bring it up to the proper temperature and be sure I'm not only cooking it completely, I'm killing any bacteria that could grow in the milder smoker temperatures. I'll put Italian sausage in it for a pan of chips for good flavor, but then it is cooked all the way in a skillet.

The smoker is a great tool, but you do have to keep in mind that if it operates at a lower temperature, you want a good and fresh supply of meat and you need to pay attention to final cooking temperatures.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:07 AM

What do you mean ' Hickory ' it's not the Wizard of Oz you know.

And we don't have hickory trees in the UK.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:10 AM

No hickory? What sort of backwards country doesn't have hickory?

Well, anyway, don't use pine....


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:13 AM

Pine ? smells OK tastes foul.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Jayto
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:25 PM

They don't have hickory chips for sale? We are covered up with hickory here in Ky.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: DougR
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:36 PM

Michael: you might enjoy a email newsletter devoted to grilling and smoking food. Google the BlueSmoke Gazette.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 02:44 PM

Oak can make a nice smoke.

Smoked oak also makes a nice wainscoting, but it's hard to chew.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:03 PM

Thanks, Doug, I'll go check that out.

Thanks everyone for the advice, comments and stories.

So far I've cooked ribs, pork shoulder, and one whole chicken.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Jayto
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 03:05 PM

I love anything smoked though. I keep pushing hickory but in the end I love anything smoked.

I really don't think mesquite is good with pork though. It just doesn't seem to compliment the flavor to me. I am not saying it is not good but that is one combo I try not to use because it is one of my least favorites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 04:10 PM

Mr. Morris

When the thread has run its course - please post the recipe/procedure for your friend's award winning tri-tip.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 06:56 PM

I find hickory smoke gives too harsh a flavor. Fruit woods such as Apple or cherry are milder.

http://www.thesmokering.com/default.jsp has all you'll ever need to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Bert
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 09:54 PM

Mackerel


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Gurney
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:41 PM

Yes, Bert, oily fish. I don't smoke white fish unless I have lots.

Michael, I always make arrangement that the food juices DON'T drip into the sawdust, because that spoils the smoke taste, for me. Tastes burned, rather than smoked.

Fir and pine often taste too resinous. Not all of them, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Acme
Date: 25 Mar 09 - 11:42 PM

A little bit of smoke goes a long way with some dishes. I will put chicken breasts in the smoker for a few minutes, then cut them up and saute them with onions and green peppers and they're fabulous in fajitas. But you don't want to smoke them too much.

Salmon, though, can go for two or three pans, easily, and I like to cook it all the way in the smoker, even after the last pan of chips finishes smoking.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:42 AM

For hundreds of years we have been smoking kippers and salmon over OAK in the UK, simply the best.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:44 AM

And before anyone jumps in, yes they will probably be a bit overdone by now.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 09:10 AM

DON'T use scrap wood. My very own brother did that -- plywood bits, painted wood scraps, even some particle board.

When the local fire chief (our cousin) found out he convinced the brother to toss EVERYTHING a thoroughly clean his smoker. Seems like the glues and the paints put off neat-o fumes like cyanide and sublimed lead and worse.

Ten pounds of crappie hit the trash...a tragedy, especially if you've ever wasted the time filleting crappie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: Goose Gander
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:54 PM

So I made some slaw and baked some buttermilk biscuits and ate so many pulled pork sandwiches that I made myself a little sick.

Now I think I'll pick up some tomatillos and make chili verde with some of that pork.


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Subject: RE: BS: Smoker - What To Cook?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 04:35 PM

They asked me how I knew - The brisket was cooked thru?

So I chaffed and laughed - at dispersions of my craft.

Now laughing friends deride - Tears I cannot hide.

So I smile and say - when a lovely flame dies.

Smoke Gets In Your EYES.

Sincerely
Gargoyle


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