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Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs

GUEST,Ana 26 Mar 09 - 06:01 AM
Jack Campin 26 Mar 09 - 06:18 AM
DMcG 26 Mar 09 - 06:30 AM
Little Robyn 26 Mar 09 - 03:00 PM
GUEST,Ana 28 Mar 09 - 12:11 AM
Little Robyn 28 Mar 09 - 03:36 AM
Leadfingers 28 Mar 09 - 06:12 AM
Fred McCormick 28 Mar 09 - 06:50 AM
Snuffy 30 Mar 09 - 08:26 AM
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Subject: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: GUEST,Ana
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 06:01 AM

My ancestors emigrated from the UK some 5 generations ago, to the Southern Hemisphere. I'm really interested in tracking down some of the melodies/songs they MIGHT have been exposed to.
The main areas they came from were Cumbria, Warwickshire and Argyll.
Can anyone tell me of the old songs of these areas?
Many thanks


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 06:18 AM

We had a discussion here about songs from Warwickshire a while back, and the consensus seened to be that there weren't any known to be from there specifically.

Cumbria has a lot of dance tunes and a few songs, I'll leave that to the locals (there are a few on Mudcat).

Argyll has the opposite problem. It's a very large area, from Mull and Oban down to Kintyre, and has a lot of tunes and songs. Might be an idea to say *where* in Argyll.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 06:30 AM

"English COuntry Songs" lists "Bedlam City" and "The Garden Gate" against Warkwickshire, but as mentioned above few songs are actually solely associated with one area.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: Little Robyn
Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:00 PM

Hi Ana, which country did they go to?
Have you heard the song 'Always Argyll'?
"I'll soon have to think of NZ (or Australia) as home,
But the truth will be always Argyll"
But that's too recent for your ancestors.
Some of my ancestors came from Padstow, in Cornwall, but all knowledge of the Padstow May festivities were lost/forgotten within 2 generations - perhaps they never indulged anyway???
I have resurrected the music over here!
The NZ Folklore Society put lots of effort and time into finding folk music that either came over with our forebears or originated here from folk sources - indigenous folk (but not Maori - that's a whole different ball game).
We didn't do very well - mainly we came to the conclusion that most of the early settlers in places like Christchurch, Auckland and Wellington didn't really indulge in anything other than 'Parlour singing' around a piano. There are lots of old music books and loose sheets of Scottish songs or National songs in the junk shops but although I've spent hours going through them, it's still only stuff like Annie Lawrie or Bonny Dundee or The Ash Grove - all the stuff kids had to sing in school assemblies years ago.
Dunedin had more Scots in the population so bagpipes and dancing and Highland games were indulged in here.
But the main thing we found was poetry - sometimes printed in newspapers as political comment, sometimes in collections and occasionally someone would put a tune to a poem and hey presto, a 'NZ folk song'.
So we came to the conclusion that (big generalization coming up)either our ancestors didn't know the songs from their homeland, they didn't believe in that pagan stuff and had never indulged, or else they came here to forget about it.
Australia, on the other hand, had lots of people who didn't want to be there and had fond memories of home. So if you're in Oz, you'll have a better chance of finding music brought out from various places in Britain.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: GUEST,Ana
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 12:11 AM

Thanks for your replies and ideas!
Yes Robyn - they did settle in NZ. I'll do some tracking down of the NZ Folklore Soc - sounds good.
The places they came from were Ayr, Kilkrennan/Loch Awe, Fenwick, Caithness, Bridgetown, Pennybridge and Baddesley-Ensor.
As my heart is in singing the 'old songs' it would be good to sing some that just maybe echoed in their early lives.
Cheers
Ana


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: Little Robyn
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 03:36 AM

Ana, the NZFLS is no more. The best person to look for is Phil Garland, in Christchurch. He was the one who went travelling around the South island in search of "The great NZ folk song", back in 1969.
Did your family head for Otago during the gold rush? Quite a lot of Scots did that and settled in Dunedin.
Are you still out here?
I'm in Hawke's Bay.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:12 AM

NOT Traditonal , and not 'purely' Warwickshire , but there are a WAD of good songs that deal with the Industrial Rvolution and Birmingham.
Especially with relation to the canal Network 1


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 06:50 AM

I don't think anyone has yet mentioned George Dunn, who came from Quarry Bank in Warwickshire. A cracking singer, who has a double CD; Musical Traditions CD MT CD 317-8 Chainmaker. http://www.mustrad.org.uk/records.htm .


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Subject: RE: Origins: Help requested - UK regional songs
From: Snuffy
Date: 30 Mar 09 - 08:26 AM

Quarry Bank was always part of Staffordshire until the creation of West Midlands county in 1974


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