BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 08:15 PM

wow, GfS,,,sometimes you just, as my Mom used to say, "talk to hear your head rattle"

You should have paid attention to your mom!!!!! Now look at you!!

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 08:07 PM

wow, GfS,,,sometimes you just, as my Mom used to say, "talk to hear your head rattle"

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 07:41 PM

Well, certainly a lot better than those babes, Hillary(ious), and Pigfacey.,,Sorry, I meant Ms. Clinton (Ms.-short for miserable), and our Windbag of the House, Pelosi,...you know, the one with the armed guards, who wants to take away your evil guns..(her's aren't evil), and who flies around constantly in private biz jets, and now requisitions the military, to fly her around, while promoting the peasants and serfs, to pay carbon footprint taxes...what a crock of shit!!! Some of you still don't get a clue, and think this mental case is on your side, speaking for you??..Its down right laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic!

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 07:19 PM

Well, at least they look tasty!

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 07:16 PM

From: Amos
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 03:52 PM

My, Wes, you have too much time on your hands!!!


What??..On his hands?????

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 07:12 PM

Right, Wesley, but the Torah says that...

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 03:52 PM

My, Wes, you have too much time on your hands!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 03:45 PM

Tasty Bat 1

Tasty Bat 2

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 02:32 PM

That's a bird of an off-color, clearly, and possibly bats.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 01:54 PM

Pelosi is a bat..who'd want to eat her??????????

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 01:49 PM

But clearly, sir, some of these birds are bats.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 01:28 PM

Ah - Bat's aren't birds.....

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 11:50 AM

Right. And the Jews can't eat carnivorous birds, like the bat.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Penny S.
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 05:51 AM

The Egyptians, and they had a lot of influence on the OT, believed in a 360 day year. They were, however, aware, that there were 365 days (I think they were not aware of the quarter), and told a tale of one of the gods envigling 5 extra days out of it by gambling with the light of the Moon (may not be quite accurate here) in order that new gods should be born, after Amun had cursed the mother with not being able to bear children on any day of the year. The resulting children were Isis, Osiris, Set, Nut and A.N.Other, and the extracalerary days festivals. This would create problems for a monotheist society.
Try doing maths with 365.24....... and the wish of the two cultures to use 360 becomes obvious. And using a pi of 3.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 12:53 AM

Bill, I keep tellin' them, that 95% of all forest fires are caused by trees!!

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 10:02 PM

I think that's Fallacy_of_the_undistributed_middle

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:32 PM

Hmmm - does drinking mother's milk cause crime, since almost all criminals drank mother's milk?

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 06:03 PM

Maine Dog, I completely understood your post, and where you're coming from. I agree, an am encouraged.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:57 PM

Picnics are notorious for attracting ants. They are responsible, therefore, for the deforestation of the Amazon. It stands to reason.


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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:37 PM

My, we have strayed far from the topic. What was that deleted post? Is there something wrong with me that the rest actually made sense?

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: MaineDog
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:06 PM

I suppose we could put hospitals on the list of undesirable institutions because they too attract sick people.
Hospitals attempt to cure sick people with their own techniques (drugs, surgery, radiations, etc.)
However some patients don't get cured because they insist on clinging to their dangerous lifestyles : overeating, smoking, excess drinking, crack, whatever. So, should some nay-sayers blame hospitals for the problems of their patients? Maybe for a lack of counseling, or education, or insufficient followup, but not for the fact the the hospital can cure certain types of cooperative patients.
MD

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 12:02 PM

And vice-versa. Think of all those stary-eyed buskers...

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 11:12 AM

It's well known that Taylor guitars give some of their profits to Scientology.....

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 11:00 AM

YEah!! ESPECIALLY Taylor guitars....



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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 10:59 AM

The problem is not so much with Christianity as with some of the people who are drawn to it:

The problem is not so much with ___________ as with some of the people who are drawn to it

Fill in with :

Atheism
Republican Party
Democratic Party
Black and White movies
Foreign Countries
Vegans
Witchcraft
Antique Cars
Taylor Guitars

Or fill in your own boogie man....

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: MaineDog
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:53 AM

The problem is not so much with Christianity as with some of the people who are drawn to it:

The poor can feel justified in their poverty and crap on the rich;

The sexually challenged can feel justified in their fears or impotence and crap on those who are successful.

The emotionally fragile can find people who will stroke them all the time.

Mediocre musicians can often get to play in front of an audience who will appreciate them.

The uneducated can dump on the educated and find Bible verses to justify their ignorance.

The lazy can say "I don't need to work because that would deny the Lord's provision."

The sick who are afraid of doctors can say "Jesus will heal me" and so get to Heaven sooner.

When people start forcing others into these errors, we get real problems. I've seen many of them first hand.

In a thorough reading of the Bible, the "contradictions" point to a middle path of sensibility on most issues, and the reasonable can find their way thru.

Many sincere Christians believe that God will never contradict his written Word (the Bible) with a prophecy or leading. If you think god has called you to do something stupid, like abuse a child, you should back off, spend some time reading the Bible to determine if that instruction came from God or from the devil!

MD

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 09:19 PM

Hey, Bill, it was so silly, it wouldn't be worth it...and it probably did cross a line(risque). I was only offering an explanation to frogprince, as to why my other posts made no sense. Thank you, though.
Regards!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 09:09 PM

If it was a harmless quip, you can always ask Joe Offer to replace it. It obviously crossed some sort of line.
Mudcat has rules about what is tolerated, and even though some posts are in that gray area where it is hard to decide, this is not a Democracy!...though you have been here long enough to know that 'censorship' is applied pretty lightly as a rule.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 08:53 PM

Frogprince, I understand your post....the one that would have made it coherent, was deleted. It was just a harmless, tongue in cheek quip, meant for Amos, in reference to an earlier post. Now, you just have the other ones. Sorry, it doesn't make sense, now.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 08:48 PM

Actually sorta pissed off! Back in 1962-63 radio stations were banning that song..it was too, 'un-American' was the excuse. It countered the status quo.....it was upsetting, and 'not quite the same, as the Kingston trio'..(a nice 'safe group' of folk singers). So I tell some of you the truth on here, and in the post deleted, joked with Amos), and I guess it wasn't 'Safe' enough....I know my posts run contrary to the 'Johnnie come lately crowd'..I know they are unsettling...but so was the spirit of the earlier protest songs!!!!! A whole group of you are as 'asleep' as the parents of the 'baby boomers' were, when that came out!...You've lost your edge, and stand for being a watered down version, of what it was folk singers did, in turning this country upside down, back them!..Now you ARE the 'establishment'...and a far more complacent version of the first!!!! Where's your spark??? Too busy, being what you rebelled at?????? Too Afraid?? Jeez! Shake things up a little! There was a time when we stood up against the corruption in our government, and forced government policy to end a war....now?...now, its a joke! we're still arguing about the bullshit that is being fed to us, by the same people, and think you're accomplishing something! Ya' might as well get so mad, you'd throw your Martinis across the pool!
Art, Remember the 'Ice House'?? Lloyd Thaxton?? the concerts at Griffith Park? 'The Troubadour'?? 'The Ranch'(recording studio, in Malibu)? Hangin' in Topanga, with Crosby, with his orange Harley??..and who it was, The Byrds sang back up for?? Yeah, I was there!!..So I'm not overly impressed, that its all gone soft! Actually, we may have met back then!! We've all just gave up, for the 'easy life' and gone through, husbands, wives, and families, with complete abandon, because frankly, some just got too fucking lame, to handle it! Remember the expression, "Turn on a lame, and what you get, is a 'turned on lame'"???
Oh well, had a great time...never sold out!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:55 PM

Gfs, I don't know how anyone could refute those last couple of posts...because I don't know how they could make any coherent sense of them, to know how to respond. What else would you like to claim "would have been censored"? Lawrence Welk? Joe McCarthy?
Bulwinkle? In a word, "what are you "on" about?

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:50 PM

Oh, horseshit.

Why would anyone want to ban that???

Your version of telling it "like it is" just happens to have gaps in it big enough to drive the Vatican through, is all.

Fix those, and all will be well.

A

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:38 PM

Being so 'hip and 'liberal', you would have even banned this...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8SfiCnwF28

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:35 PM

Absolutely!!..Well sorta' It just confirms what I've known all along...that when someone comes on and tells it like it is, (even while obviously teasing)..you'd censor them. I bet you 48 years ago, you would have censored this: http://www.mudcat.org/blickifier.cfm

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 02:17 PM

Banned in Boston!

(Any chance you can learn from that?) Joe Clone

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 01:43 PM

There's a physical thing called a year, something like 365.3 days long if I recall correctly, whicch is why the calendar adds in a leap year every fourth round. This is just physics; no-one can miss the number being greater than 360, no matter what any diatribe says, if they perform rigorous measurement. Having a loosey-goosey map does not mean you live in a loosey-goosey territory.



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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 01:33 PM

Hey guys, The calender year in the Bible was a lunar year, the one we use now is the Gregorian calender. What's the big deal?? Actually, to steal a quote from Janis..'It's all one big day!'

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 12:46 PM

Ah, damn; sometimes I think too much and my brain folds up on itself! Thanks, FP, for deflating an unnecessary bubble.



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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 12:40 PM

Alternative method: hold a propane torch on the bulb until it's glowing hot...

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 12:30 PM

Amos? Hellooo;

Touch the positive nubby on the end of the battery to the contact in the center of the bulb base. Hold the wire from the other end of the battery to the flange of the bulb base. Oooh, look: miraculous! : ).

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 12:18 PM

PBS ran a program concerning how people learn. Part of the experiment took place at MIT, no less, on graduation day. It was sponsored by Harvard. The interviewer had a AA battery, one short piece of copper wire about 6 inches long and an appropriate flashlight bulb. He asked at least a half dozen new MIT engineering grads if they could make the bulb light up. All but one could NOT! So, do we judge MIT by its alumnus? Is it fair to knock their school because some of it's participants couldn't make a simple electrical circuit?

With one piece of wire, if that is interpreted rigorously and no cutting is allowed, neither could you, probably. It is not impossible (you could stick the bulb in the ground or something) but how would you complete that circuit with only one connector? THe battery requires a return path to its negative terminal from the second filament contact on the bulb, now?


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Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 11:36 AM

These days I'm a pew sitter. I'm from a fundamentalist background. From 1960 through 1963 I was enrolled in Moody Bible Institute, Chicago. Moody has always been a bastion of fundamentalism.

Fundamentalism asserts that several historic doctrines are "fundamentals", absolutely essential to the Christian faith. Of these, I've found only one to be unique to fundamentalists, distinguishing them from other relatively conservative Christians. That one is the inerrancy and infallibility of the Bible.

At Moody, we were taught to defend the Bible against claims that it contained errors and inconsistencies. Generally this involved narrative details which could, in fact, easily be explained plausibly; decidely "straw" problems, by comparison to the numerous substantial problems that we simply managed not to see.

We were not taught tbat a year is 360 days long; I've never heard that one before in my life. Nor were we strictly held to creation in 7 24 hour days, as taught by just a small fraction of fundamentalists so far as my experience indicates. I am not trying to paint fundamentalist Christians as a mass of people at that level of mentality.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 12:45 AM

I scarcely see a fundamentalist accepting YOUR definition of fundamentalism. Inerrancy and mathematical precision do not belong in the same arena. Granted some (or even many) so called fundamentalists DO make such errors but they are not spokesmen for the various groups who make their fundamental beliefs known. What hath Jerusalem to do with Athens?

PBS ran a program concerning how people learn. Part of the experiment took place at MIT, no less, on graduation day. It was sponsored by Harvard. The interviewer had a AA battery, one short piece of copper wire about 6 inches long and an appropriate flashlight bulb. He asked at least a half dozen new MIT engineering grads if they could make the bulb light up. All but one could NOT! So, do we judge MIT by its alumnus? Is it fair to knock their school because some of it's participants couldn't make a simple electrical circuit?

You make a straw man of fundamentalism because you do not understand it and many pew sitter fundamentalists do not understand just what they believe either. You can't judge it solely by its constituency.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 11:40 PM

Toquing one's thoughts around in order to make the Bible inerrant is a real good way to undermine a mind seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:53 PM

...is an oxymoron.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:45 PM

Oh, he wasn't claiming that Christian fundamentalists originated the idea; I guess the idea would be that some fundamentalist he knows "rediscovered" it in the Bible recently. I think it was supposed to come from the Old Testament. That would allow at least three possiblitlies. 1. There is evidence in the Old Testament of belief in a 360 day year; it filtered in from the Babylonians. 2.There is evidence there for that belief, which was derived from some other source. 3, also entirely possible; my acquaintance just got the "fact" from someone who wasn't even competent at literalistic fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible.

Further drift; actually, competent fundamentalist interpretation in an oxymoron. If you're a fundamentalist, the Bible is inerrant. Therefore, it's consistent throughout; in history, morality, details of prophetic forecast, and everything else. To make the Bible absolutely consistent, you have to twist the plain language severely on a regular basis.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:06 PM

I believe it was those rascally Babylonian fundamentalists who started all this 360 day stuff. 360 degrees in a circle and all, which has no rhyme or reason being there. 52 weeks in a year, 12 signs of the Zodiac ( well, OK 13 but who's counting?) 13 cards in a suit, 4 suits to four seasons, Tarot, Zoroastrianism and you say a Christian fundamentalist claim this was THEIR idea? Well apple pi my eye. Oh, and ask Papa George, it's pronounced "pee"!

In a curved universe it just may equal 3.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 04:31 PM

"... just 360 days in a year..."

umm-hmmm.. and pi=3

"...proved it to him recently with Biblical references."

from false premises, anything follows.

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 03:58 PM

frogprince, Hare Krishna, Hare Hare!!...and 'Kumbayah', for good measure!

Subject: RE: BS: It's not delusional if it's religious?
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 03:36 PM

I just learned something interesting from a fundamentalist acquaintance; there are actually just 360 days in a year. He says someone proved it to him recently with Biblical references. I haven't had the chance yet to ask him if he can point out chapter and verse for me. He has never been diagnosed as mentally ill or mentally deficient. I've heard a whole lot of fundamentalist "truths" in my life, but this one was new to me; I don't know if there is any basis for it in literalistic Bible interpretation, or if it simply came from someone who has been sniffing too much glue.