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Subject: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 12:22 PM

The Feds are in the pursuit of a course to drop the charges against Ted Stevens. It looks like the whole thing was politically motivated, just like Stevens said it was. The prosecustion withheld evidence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/stevens_justice_14

          What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon in the Senate?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 12:52 PM

It should be pointed out that it was the Bush Justice Department that prosecuted the case, and the Obama Justice Department that dropped it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 12:56 PM

How would they be different from the rest of us?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 12:56 PM

Link

John


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 01:13 PM

Two important distinctions.

The Dem's used the jury's verdict because they thought it legit.

As Carol pointed out, it was Obama's AG that was called a "pillar of integrity" in this, and correcting the situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 01:19 PM

Rig, Mark Begich is no buffoon. He is a well-known, well-vetted politician. His history is open, and goes way back; his father was Congressman Nick Begich whose plane, along with Hale Boggs, was lost in the Alaska wilderness and has never been found.

(Besides, his brother Tom is a folk singer.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: DougR
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 01:26 PM

Ted Stevens is a Republican. Based on evidence presented at the time, the Bush justice department would have been crucified if they HAD NOT prosecuted Stevens.

This current situation is not a question of guilt. It's a question about why the prosecution withheld information from the defense attorneys.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 01:29 PM

Why the Bush Justice Department prosecution withheld information from the defense attorneys.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 01:37 PM

And why would they? And should they be prosecuted?



      "(Besides, his brother Tom is a folk singer.)"


          Well, I guess it's all right then!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 04:15 PM

I remember one juror's post verdict comment that Ted testifying for himself was the most damning witness presented.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 05:02 PM

Probably why he wanted the jury to come from Alaska and not DC.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 05:46 PM

Ted Stevens is a Republican. Based on evidence presented at the time, the Bush justice department would have been crucified if they HAD NOT prosecuted Stevens.

Being an occasional conspiracy-suspector (especially in regard to the Bush administration), I tend to think that they had to prosecute him, as you say, but then they fouled the process up on purpose, so that eventually he'd have to be let off.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 06:08 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Genie
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 06:22 PM

Didn't Mark Begich lose the Alaska Governor's race to Sarah Palin by only a very small margin, too?
He might possibly have defeated Stevens even without 'toilet gate.'

Still, I thought all along that he should not have been prosecuted for trying to proposition another adult (for consensual, non-commercial sex), even if was clear that that was what he was trying to do. It was great fodder for the comics, and it kind of did make him look like a bit of a hypocrite, but as far as I know, that's not against the law.

Glad Holder is trying to undo the injustice as much as is possible.

Too bad he can't similarly remediate the miscarriage of justice in the case of Don Sigelman in Alabama.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 11:06 PM

Genie, to the best of my recollection, Mark Begich has never run for Governor.

"Still, I thought all along that he should not have been prosecuted for trying to proposition another adult (for consensual, non-commercial sex), even if was clear that that was what he was trying to do. It was great fodder for the comics, and it kind of did make him look like a bit of a hypocrite, but as far as I know, that's not against the law."

Genie, who are you talking about? Not Mark Begich, surely.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Genie
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 12:28 AM

I thought he had, Ebbie. Run for governor, that is. I coulda sworn during the 2008 election campaigns, when Begich was running for Senator, that the news reported that he had come close to beating Palin for Governor. Do I have him mixed up with another Alaska Democrat?

But the people I really was mixing up were Ted Stevens and Larry Craig.
Now I can't remember what it was that Stevens was convicted of.

I still wish the current Justice Dept. could undo the horrible wrongs that were done to Don Sigelman - but that was a state prosecution, so I'm not sure they can do much.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 01:18 AM

Palin defeated Republicans Fairbanks businessman John Binkley and Gov. Frank Murkowski to become the Republican nominee. Neither of them has been involved in a scandal, as such. Murkowski, however, had a 19% approval rating. We didn't like the man. Binkley had run for governor before and never drummed up much interest.

Democrats former Alaska governor Tony Knowles and Congressman Eric Croft ran against Palin in the gubernatorial race in 2006. Neither of them has ever been involved in a scandal.

This year Eric Croft is running for Anchorage mayor, the seat that Mark Begich vacated when he replaced Ted Stevens and which is being held by an Acting Mayor. I suspect that he will win it; Croft has made a pretty good name for himself.

Ted Stevens would be hard to mistake for Idaho governor Larry Craig; Stevens is 84 years old, for one thing. lol


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 01:19 AM

By the way, Riginslinger, I'd be interested in why you thought of 'buffoon' in this connection?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:02 AM

the Bush justice department would have been crucified if they HAD NOT prosecuted Stevens.

Now, there you go again, Douggie - trying to make chicken soup out of chicken shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 08:09 AM

"By the way, Riginslinger, I'd be interested in why you thought of 'buffoon' in this connection?"


             Well, I knew he was a Democrat, and I've seen what the Dems have been doing at the national level since the election, so I just thought, you know...


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 10:14 AM

Frankly, my dear, you didn't think. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 10:18 AM

Well, at least I didn't announce that Alasks "did" end up with a buffoon...


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 10:43 AM

Hmmmmm. That's an improvement.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 10:55 AM

I think if one examines our Governor in light of her candidacy for Rep Veep and her current eye on future national participation in politics, the thread title is almost appropriate, even if Rig done up with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: kendall
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 12:39 PM

Washington DC where the only industry is destroying others.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 12:50 PM

Maybe not the only industry. I think some of them folks is perfectly capable of destroying themselves too. Foot in Mouth is pretty common back there.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 01:15 PM

Not you and me, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Apr 09 - 02:29 PM

Of course!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Genie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 02:04 AM

Ebbie, Tony Knowles is the one I was thinking of that I got confused with Mark Begich. Thanks for clearing that up.

Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 10:31 AM

It looks like the Republicans are asking Begich to resign, what the seem to determine is his illgotten seat.


http://aprn.org/2009/04/02/republicans-call-for-begich-to-resign/


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 11:08 AM

Which is ridiculous. Begich was campaigning for the Senate seat before Stevens got in trouble.

What they - and others - seem to forget is that Stevens has not been adjudged innocent of the various charges; it is only established that the prosecution was flawed. Which is deplorable.

There are lots of stories about Ted Stevens.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 11:33 AM

I like this straight forward response to Governor Palin's suggestion :

Democratic Party Chairwoman Patti Higgins said a special election was unwarranted.

"Ted Stevens was convicted on seven felony charges of accepting gifts that he then never reported, as required by law. The fact that the Obama administration has decided to not pursue a case that the Bush administration lawyers handled in a faulty manner does not take away the fact that Ted Stevens broke laws," she said.

Governor calls for Begich Resignation


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 12:07 PM

Does that mean if Begich resigns, Alaska will end up without a buffoon?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 12:57 PM

Are you thinking of a bassoon, Rig?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 02:47 PM

If Alaska ended up with a bassoon, how would that solve the problem?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 04:03 PM

It's more tuneful.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 04:13 PM

I see!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Genie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 05:02 PM

Or maybe they'll just end up with a baboon?   Playing the bassoon?


Ebbie's right. The fact that someone gets off because of prosecutorial misconduct does not mean the person was innocent, just that due process was not afforded him or her.

Sad to say, there are many cases of people getting away with serious violations of both law and ethics simply because an attorney or the police or a judge also broke the law with regard to their case.

Heck, we well may have some real terrorists set loose because the Bush Justice Department obtained evidence via illegal (not to mention unethical) means.

Anyway, Alaska already has a buffoon.   She thinks the fact that parts of Siberia are close to parts of Alaska makes her status as Alaska's governor count as substantial foreign policy experience -- because when Vladimir Putin "rears his head and enters American air space" it will have to be Alaskan air space. Like he would never dream of flying from Moscow to Washington DC or Miama over Europe and the Atlantic Ocean.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 05:36 PM

To my mind, a female buffoon is even worse than a male one. Perhaps I expect better of women. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 06:40 PM

Do female buffoons also have bright red private parts? Or is that baboons? Or bassoons?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 07:10 PM

Ted Stevens would be hard to mistake for Idaho governor Larry Craig; Stevens is 84 years old, for one thing. lol

Some of you need to Google these folks before you post. First you had Craig mixed with Begich and/or Stevens, and now you have him mixed up with C.L. "Butch" Otter. Governor of Idaho. I didn't know who was governor, but I knew it wasn't Craig.

Larry Craig was a Republican U.S. Senator from Idaho. He resigned his seat, then he un-resigned and finished his term, after the scandal in Minnesota. He didn't run for re-election last year.

They commented, with a chuckle, on the NPR Diane Rehm Show this morning that Sarah Palin had asked Begich to step down, citing the loss of Stevens' seat due to bad publicity of the trial. Rehm asked her weekly news roundup guests what they thought of those chances. The answer, with a guffaw, was "If you're asking what's the percent chance, 1 to 100, that he'll step down, I'd say it is a minus 50."

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Genie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 09:06 PM

Art, that would be MANdrills you're thinking of. (Not to be confused with WOMANdrills?) ; D

Stilly, methinks you've similarly gotten some Mudcatters mixed up with each other. I mixed up Stevens with Craig (not because I didn't know the difference but because I wasn't paying that much attention to the news story). I know very well which one is which.   I also mixed up Begich with Knowles, because I actually had, in my memory, conflated two different Alaska stories (but I recognized Knowles's name and identity when Ebbie mentioned it). Someone else mixed up one of those guys with Butch Otter.   


Sometimes some of us do make mistakes, but someone's always quick to point out the error here at Mudcat. As for googling everything before you post, heck, this is just a BS thread on a message board, not a newsroom or a textbook.    :x

Genie


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 09:23 PM

So Begich was never in the bathroom with Otter?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 09:34 PM

lol

So many choices.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 09:36 PM

Well, if Stevens is a complete buffoon, I'm sure he'll be in line for an Obama appointment to a cabinet position. Maybe he's being groomed!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 09:44 PM

As is quite common, I've noticed, you haven't understood the discussion. No one has called Ted Stevens a buffoon. Except you, even though you may never have heard of the man before. Nice going.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 10:49 PM

"The Feds are in the pursuit of a course to drop the charges against Ted Stevens. It looks like the whole thing was politically motivated, just like Stevens said it was. The prosecustion withheld evidence.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090401/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/stevens_justice_14

          What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon in the Senate? "

Huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 11:38 PM

That was a collective "you," as in "you all," or the Texan "Y'all," but if the shoe fits. I detected both errors in your posts. I didn't ask what you'd been smoking, and I removed the name and substituted the general "you" to remove what might be perceived as an accusatory tone. Seems it hit a mark anyway. Oh, well.

;-D


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 08:20 AM

Jeez! I needed a proof reader when I was writing the script...but not a nit picker.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 11:27 AM

ENDS UP with a buffoon?

They'ge got Palin.

Or, did you mean ANOTHER buffoon?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 11:29 AM

Greg, Besides Palin, they've got Ebbie living up there, too!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 11:32 AM

Ah ha! Takes one to know one!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 12:51 PM

I actually don't know one. I've just read!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 12:54 PM

Just noted that Gov. Palin's sister-in-law was arrested for burglary. Damn. I just love family values.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 01:07 PM

Yeah, it seems like the further you get from the church, the more pure the values.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 02:04 PM

From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 01:07 PM

Yeah, it seems like the further you get from the church, the more pure the values.

That being said, and in the same vein, The further you get from government programs, the more freedom you have, as well!
GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 06:55 PM

Jeez..(Several hours later)..I just re-read my last post...and how true that is!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 09:01 PM

Yes, you might not survive, but you certainly have freedom.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Apr 09 - 11:59 PM

UMMMM.....what was it, one of our founding fathers said....Gee, I think it was Patrick Henry.........


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 01:19 AM

"I actually don't know one. I've just read!" GtS

That was funny. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 02:36 AM

Winks back


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 09:41 AM

"UMMMM.....what was it, one of our founding fathers said....Gee, I think it was Patrick Henry........."


               Patrick Henry said, "If you don't have national health care, you might end up dying from an infected mosquito bite."


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:01 AM

I skimmed an article about the governor's sister-in-law. Seems she had been to that house a couple of times before, as had her four-year-old daughter. Seriously. She burglarized a house and took her daughter in with her at least one of those times. This time the owner caught her in the act and while they were waiting the child got out of the car and wandered into the house. Police said the child indicated she had been in the house before.

A free-range family like this on the loose probably explains why the long-running soap opera Guiding Light was cancelled by CBS. Too much competition and the Palins don't require the selling of commercial space to keep their goofy story going.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 01:08 PM

Begich better hurry home from Washington. His house might be next!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 02:17 PM

?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 03:11 PM

From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 09:41 AM

"UMMMM.....what was it, one of our founding fathers said....Gee, I think it was Patrick Henry........."


               Patrick Henry said, "If you don't have national health care, you might end up dying from an infected mosquito bite."

He Also said, "Pay for my transgender operation, or give me an abortion!" or..something like that!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 03:46 PM

Yes, but he wasn't in his right mind when he said that.




                  "Begich better hurry home from Washington. His house might be next!"

                         Responding to SRS:

    "Just noted that Gov. Palin's sister-in-law was arrested for burglary. Damn. I just love family values... I skimmed an article about the governor's sister-in-law. Seems she had been to that house a couple of times before,"


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 03:56 PM

If we want to poke sticks at all the politician's families..(which is not only stupid, it's indicative of a cruel person who ran out of reality)..let's not forget Billy Clinton's brother...and his drug dealing!!..Oh, I forgot, He must be a hero, to all those on here, who like that particular drug!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 04:20 PM

"If we want to poke sticks at all the politician's families..(which is not only stupid, it's indicative of a cruel person who ran out of reality)." GfH

Ye gods. Whence all the sudden virtue?

*******************8

Speaking of Sarah Palin, a politician, and her family, the estimable Levi Johnston will be on record when the interview with Tyra Banks airs later this month as saying that Palin allowed him and her 16 year old daughter to share a bed.

Oh, am I cruel?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: EBarnacle
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 05:18 PM

As Chico Marx said, "Everyone knows there is no sanity claus."


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 06:56 PM

"If we want to poke sticks at all the politician's families..(which is not only stupid, it's indicative of a cruel person who ran out of reality)..let's not forget Billy Clinton's brother...and his drug dealing!!..Oh, I forgot, He must be a hero, to all those on here, who like that particular drug!: GfH

As I recall, Roger Clinton is Bill Clinton's half brother. Just as Diana Palin is Todd Palin's half sister. She is charged with dealing Oxycontin. Roger Clinton pleaded guilty to 'distributing' cocaine.

The way I see it, when a politician's family member is a screwup she or he is a valid target - IF the politician has made a big deal of his or her integrity and "family values".

And even then, we haven't made public some of the things that are KNOWN about certain Palin family mambers. Wanna hear some gossip? I'm not going to give it UNLESS they/he/she get in further trouble.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:14 PM

Great Ebbie, I've always been curious about those things, too!! While you're at it, find something on Vince Foster, too...Maybe even three kids killed in Mena, Arkansas, during the mid Eighties, on the train tracks. Don't forget to get the ENTIRE, both side's stories on both!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:14 PM

Ebbie, please, by all means proceed.

Politicians are fair game once they've crossed the hypocrisy line. Usually spoutting off about family values when there's not a value in site not worth selling.

I don't remember Bill C claiming he was a man of values or principles (did he say he was a chuch going man) but that didn't stop those of lesser values from jumping on his behind spoutting about purity.

Keep the dirt liquid.

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 10:18 PM

The rare Alaskan Buffoon now has spoken that she's an eye on the oval
office. It's no wonder she's rare, when ever she's seen it's a big joke. Reminds me of Quail & that other idiot that just left office, what's his name?

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 02:10 AM

So, there you have it, Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen! Barry is correcto mundo!! It is NOT just in one party!!..Besides, corruption is the only thing going on in Washington, that IS Bi-partisan!! They buy out, and make 'contributions(read:bribes) to both sides....at the same time!!..You all know that!!!don't you??...I'm sure you do!...So, what agenda do they have going, that has been furthered, no matter who 'wins'????...Be interesting to see who figures it out. I thought it would be Little Hawk, a while ago...but he hasn't been on much, in these posts, lately.....come on 'catters, Let's get to the bottom of this....without bi-partisan bickering!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 02:37 PM

Both of these sides are bad news. It's time for a third party.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 03:09 PM

Time to throw some of their fucking asses in jail, impeach some, and try them for treason, and corruption charges!!! ...and perjury!....taking an oath, that they had absolutely NO INTENTION of keeping!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 03:32 PM

Gosh - I would hate to be judged by the actions of my sisters-in-law. I have some loonies who married into the family. Palin has her own problems. She is hardly responsible for her sister-in-law's crimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:14 PM

MBut Mary, she is resposible for herself & her family's action, including her husband & children. She married one & spawned the others

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:21 PM

Yeah, but she didn't marry he husband's half sister.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: heric
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:38 PM

Actually I read in the supermarket that she did.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:52 PM

lol, heric. Buddy Tabor, a Juneau singer/songwriter, wrote a hilarious story about having his wife run off and then seeing her picture on the cover of Weekly World News (or something like that), standing beside her Bigfoot lover; how embarrassed he was to show his face at the checkout counter.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:53 PM

But which half?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: pdq
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 08:06 PM

The lower half.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 08:09 PM

PDQ, It has been said that why do women have the 'lower half' as you suggested?...answer: So men will talk to them!
Just a joke!!..Take it easy!!! Its on me too!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:49 AM

The current AG did not ask for the case to be dismissed because Ted was innocent of charges. He did it because the prosecution did not give evidence to the defense as required for any criminal case.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 01:59 PM

And if they'd turned over the evidence to the defense, there's not much chance he ever would have been convicted in the first place. All they managed to do was to get Begich elected to the Senate.
                   It's now time to investigate who was behind getting Begich elected, and how much they had to pay the prosection.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 06:34 PM

"And if they'd turned over the evidence to the defense, there's not much chance he ever would have been convicted in the first place. All they managed to do was to get Begich elected to the Senate."

Whoa, Nelly! Not so fast, Rig. That statement is not even close to being true.

Snippets, from HERE:

"But the dismissal will not declare Stevens innocent. Nor will it rewrite the facts of a case in which Stevens took thousands of dollars in favors and freebies from wealthy friends."

"Michael Sklaire, a former corruption prosecutor, said the decision to dismiss the case was more about punishing the prosecutors for withholding evidence than about exonerating Stevens. When the case against a drug dealer falls apart, Sklaire said, the charges disappear but the defendant can't really say he's innocent because he still got arrested with drugs."

"Those that came to mind, she (juror) said, were the $2,700 massage chair, a custom stained-glass window worth $3,200, and a $29,000 fish sculpture. None of those had anything to do with the home renovations or the disputed testimony."

"At trial, he (Stevens) said he didn't disclose the items he received because they were not gifts. The massage chair, for instance, remained in his house for seven years but Stevens said it was a loan. He said he assumed the stained-glass window was paid for, since his wife takes care of such things. The fish statue was a donation to his foundation, he said, and only remained on his front porch because that's where the donors shipped it."


One of the most disturbing, if not damning, facets to this case is the question: What was a Senator doing in bed with a bigtime oil man/lobbyist in the first place?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Alice
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 07:11 PM

Speaking of mistakes and buffoons....
today Palin referred to Alaska as a sovereign state.
what the heck? The states in the United States are not sovereign states.
ooops


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 07:46 PM

"What was a Senator doing in bed with a bigtime oil man/lobbyist in the first place?"


                         Maybe he sold petroleum jelly!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 01:04 AM

Actually, according to 'states rights' each state is(was) a sovereign state. Originally, (check your history, circa. the time of the founding fathers, Bill of Rights, and the Constitution), we are(were) supposed to be united sovereign, states, with a central (federal government) with both limitations, as to its powers, and duties to perform, such as protecting the borders, tariffs, etc etc. If you want to look it up, its there, and the reason a lot of people are up tight, at the federal government getting too big, and invasive, of the states rights. (This is why certain laws, vary from state to state...in case you weren't sure of that. Just, as of recent, 23 states, re-declared it..( I think as a reminder to the federal government, that they in fact are not in favor of some of the feds policies, regarding this issue!)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 08:52 AM

...according to 'states rights' each state is a sovereign state.

According to John C. Calhoun, perhaps, but this business was settled by the Civil War.

Of course, modern "Lost Cause" proponents continue to refuse to acknoledge the fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 05:25 PM

All & all, it appears Alaska will not soon lose it's buffoon or whatever you might want to call her

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 05:28 PM

Would that be the bouffant buffoon?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 07:01 PM

If Alaska lost all of its buffoons, who would serve in the Senate?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Alice
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 07:57 PM

definition of sovereign state
Sovereign state, a state which administers its own
government, and is not dependent upon, or subject to,
another power.

Our states are all united under a federal government, so even though each state has a government, they are not technically sovereign governments.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 08:02 PM

Not only that - a sovereign state most commonly is a nation.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 08:19 PM

Not only that,..Ebbie you are right!..(Takes an Alaskan, they have a little better insight into that).
She'll still argue with me though...


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 10:04 PM

Good gracious, why not! (If you more frequently made sense I imagine I would do less of it.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Apr 09 - 10:08 PM

100....want to argue now??


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 01:21 AM

Nope. 101


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Apr 09 - 10:26 AM

102 Good!..You must have had an epiphany!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Apr 09 - 10:42 AM

It looks like Palin is reving up to help Lisa Merkowski(sp?), so the will put the Republican women against the male Democrat in the Senate.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Apr 09 - 10:54 AM

I don't understand, Rig. In what way is Palin "helping" Murkowski? At this point, Palin is in such deep doo doo in her own state she is in no shape to help anyone else.

And the male Republican representative in the House has come out to help the "male Democrat in the Senate".


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Apr 09 - 01:26 PM

There was a headline on Yahoo yesterday that Palin was preparing to raise money for Murkowski, so it looks like the battle of the sexes--or genders if you'd rather. Traditional party lines have been blured.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Eb
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 11:16 AM

They are both Republicans, of course; evidently Palin wants to reassure Murkowski that she's not going to go after Murkowski's Senate seat. (Not that that would worry Murkowski much.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 03:00 PM

Yes, but Ebbie seemed to indicate that the Republican Congressman was supporting the Democratic Senator. I think that was the issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 10:37 PM

That Guest was me. My cookie crumbled.

Don Young, the Republican Representative, supports the Democratic view that Senator Mark Begich should not resign his new seat because of 'Uncle Ted's' misfortune. I don't know how Young feels about Begich further than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 11:06 PM

This is an uncharacteristically difficult thread to follow.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 11:27 PM

That may be my fault, heric. I tend to veer and lurch in conversation.

Although it's not my doing that 'buffoon' was used in connection with Alaska politics. (I do like 'bouffant buffoon' though!) Buffoon has a connotation to me that is applicable only in fairly specific cases and I don't think that it qualifies in Alaska.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Apr 09 - 07:27 AM

I suppose the point is, the word "buffoon" relates well to the concept of the modern day American politician. Following that rationale, of course, if Alaska ended up without any buffoons at all, there wouldn't be anyone out there--or up there--to run for public office.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Apr 09 - 02:20 AM

Rig, I tend to agree with you, that politicians are pretty much all buffoons! I think the better attempt to hide that fact, while running, the more 'electable' they are....oh, with one exception...Nancy Pelosi...she's an out front, flaming buffoon, and the morons up near San Francisco, keep electing her...It defies gravity!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Apr 09 - 05:37 PM

If you got a Bagich, scratch it!

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Apr 09 - 09:44 PM

Good description of the senator - Bag Itch, I like it!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 10:27 AM

Rig, I will never understand you. Why are you slinging mud at Senator Begich? You know nothing about him. I have never met him but he has a good reputation in Alaska, and reputations count in a place as small as Alaska, population-wise.

So just knock it off. It ain't cute.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 12:04 PM

Okay, okay, I was just following up on the previous poster. Sheees!


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 12:22 PM

Art's take on things is a pithy pun. There is a difference, you konw.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 01:14 PM

Yes, but... In any event, he seems to have been placed there by the dark forces of evil, though he himself might not have been aware of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST, Eb
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 06:15 PM

sheesh


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 07:25 PM

Why else would Bush attorneys botch the prosecution so badly that Stevens was convicted when they certainly would have known their misdeeds would come to light in short order.

               Why did the Bush handlers want to get rid of Stevens?


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 12:37 PM

I don't know. Share your theories.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 12:57 PM

Actually, all I have are questions. If we were looking for conspiracies, one could be that somebody like George Soros, who participated so completely in getting Obama elected, wanted to be sure he had a friendly Congress, so he bought the prosecution in the Stevens case to ensure the outcome of the election. Of course, Soros wasn't the only well heeled Democratic Obama backer, so...


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 06:24 PM

Good god, Rig. You've got theories to fit either - and both -
side(s) of the aisle. Bit cynical, wouldn't you say?

'Twould be seemly if you came up with a reasonable rationale.


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Subject: RE: BS: What if Alaska ends up with a buffoon
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Apr 09 - 07:05 PM

Well, the other rationale--the prosecution blew the case intentionally so there would be good grounds for appeal--is somebody else's theory. I didn't like it, but didn't want it go get left out.

                      It's hard to imagine that the prosecution did what they did for no reason. That would be the hardest theory to believe of all.


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