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Lyr Req: Apple Praities

Jack Campin 06 Apr 09 - 08:14 PM
Peace 06 Apr 09 - 08:31 PM
Suegorgeous 06 Apr 09 - 09:02 PM
Jack Campin 07 Apr 09 - 05:18 AM
Jim Dixon 24 Apr 09 - 12:35 AM
Jack Campin 24 Apr 09 - 08:55 AM
GUEST,suegorgeous (away in Poland) 24 Apr 09 - 09:38 AM
Snuffy 26 Apr 09 - 04:36 AM
GUEST,suegorgeous away in Poland 27 Apr 09 - 07:00 AM
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Subject: Tune Add: APPLE PRAITIES
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 08:14 PM

Kerr's Merry Melodies, the biggest-selling Scottish music book of all time, has a page of Irish tunes including this one:


X:1
T:Apple Praities
S:Kerr's Merry Melodies book 1, Glasgow c.1880, p.41
M:C
L:1/8
Q:1/4=90 "Slow"
K:A Minor
(AB)| c3 c B2 A2|(Be3) (d2 B2)| A3       A   B2 c2|d2 B2 HG2
(AB)| c3 c B2 A2|(Be3)   e2 d2 | B2 ({cB}A2) .A2.A2|A6    :|
A2 | A3 B ^c2 d2| e4   (^f2^g2)| a3      =g ^f2 d2|e2^c2 HA2
A2 | A3 B ^c2 d2| e4   (^f2^g2)| a3      =g ^f2 d2|e6
e2 | a3=g ^f2 d2|=g2^f2 e2 d2 |=c2      A2 =g2 e2|d2 B2 HG2
(AB)|=c3 c B2 A2|(Be3)   e2 d2 | B2 ({cB}A2) .A2.A2|A6    |]


That has got to have been a song. Anyone seen words to it anywhere?

Asking this question has made me realize I've been playing it differently from the way Kerr printed it for about the last 30 years. I do bar 3 a note lower, as |G3G A2B2|, and I'm going to keep on doing it that way.
To play or display ABC tunes, try concertina.net


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Subject: RE: Apple Praities - are there words?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 08:31 PM

Jack,

I've look for about 15 minutes with Mr Google and can locate nowt. I've sent a message to you separately.


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Subject: RE: Apple Praities - are there words?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 09:02 PM

Is this the same tune with that name that Andrew Cronshaw plays on The language of snakes? if so, I've also often thought it sounds like a song, or would make a fantastic song melody...


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Subject: RE: Apple Praities - are there words?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 05:18 AM

Cronshaw says he got it from the same place I did. I've never heard anybody but me play it.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE LADS WHO LIVE IN IRELAND
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 12:35 AM

Well, here's a song that at least mentions apple praities—or is it praties? And what the heck is a praitie/pratie/praty/praity anyway?

From Irish Song Book, No. 1 (New York: Wehman Bros., 1909), page 124:


THE LADS WHO LIVE IN IRELAND.

1. My name is Ned O'Manney. I was born in sweet Killarney.
I can fight, dance or sing. I can plow, reap or mow;
And if I met a pretty girl, I never practise blarney.
I've something more alluring, which perhaps you'd like to know.
I'm none of your bulgrudderies nor other shabby families,
But can unto my pedigree a pretty title show.
Oh! I'm of the O's and the Mac's, and likewise the sturdy Whacks,
That live and toil in Ireland where the apple praties grow,
That live and toil in Ireland where the apple praties grow.

2. I could a deal relate, if I could but trace my pedigree.
My mother was a Hogan, but my father I don't know.
I've ninety-nine relations in a place they call Roscarberry,
And each unto their name has a Mac or an O.
My uncle was a Brallaghan, my aunt she was a Callaghan,
And as to my character, why, I can plainly show:
I'm a rantin', rovin' blade, and I never was afraid,
For I was born in Ireland where the apple praties grow,
For I was born in Ireland where the apple praties grow.

3. May heaven still protect our hospitable country,
Where first I drew my living breath and heard its cocks to crow.
Adieu to its green hills and its lovely bay of Banty,
Where many a pleasant evening my love and I did go;
Where shoals of fish so pleasantly did sport about so merrily,
Beneath its glassy surface their wanton tricks to play.
Oh! those scenes I did enjoy, like a gay, unthinking boy,
With the lads who live in Ireland where the apple praties grow,
With the lads who live in Ireland where the apple praties grow.

4. Saint Patrick was our saint, and a blessed man, in truth, was he.
Great gifts unto our country he freely did bestow.
He banished all the frogs and toads that sheltered in our country,
And unto other regions it's they were forced to go.
There is one fact, undoubtedly, that cannot contradicted be,
For trace the Irish history and it will plainly show;
Search the universe all 'round, tighter fellows can be found
Than the lads who live in Ireland where the apple praties grow,
Than the lads who live in Ireland where the apple praties grow.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Apple Praities
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 08:55 AM

A praitie/pratie is a potato.

Those words don't fit the tune at all - seems to be a pastiche of "You're welcome in the garden where the praties grow", which is in 6/8 (there's a YouTube upload of John McCormack's version).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Apple Praities
From: GUEST,suegorgeous (away in Poland)
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 09:38 AM

So an apple pratie is a kind of potato?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Apple Praities
From: Snuffy
Date: 26 Apr 09 - 04:36 AM

A mythical potato that tastes like an apple, I'd guess.

BTW the French (pomme de terre) and German (Erdapfel) words for a potato are literally "earth apple".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Apple Praities
From: GUEST,suegorgeous away in Poland
Date: 27 Apr 09 - 07:00 AM

In German the more usual word for potato is Kartoffel.


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