BS: Best commercial in Europe

Subject: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: kendall
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 04:09 PM

Good advice to parents who are not qualified to have kids.


Rotten kid

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: frogprince
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 04:36 PM

I stumbled on this a few weeks ago and cracked up some.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 04:57 PM

This has been around for years. I think any parent knows this sort of scene. It is certainly a warning to those who are casual about having children - and a very funny piece of advertising for condoms.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 16 Apr 09 - 10:35 PM

I thought it was brillian -- shared with lots of people including my 20 year old son!

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: David C. Carter
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 06:40 AM

This has been on French television sometime now.

And as TRUBRIT says, We all thought it was brilliant.

My son,who is 21, was in stitches 1st time he saw this.

Cheers

David

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Emma B
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 07:14 AM

Too too funny!
And, as a supermarket shopper, horribly truthfully observed too

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: robinia
Date: 17 Apr 09 - 06:38 PM

What gets me is the man just standing there helplessly -- instead of picking up the kid at the start of the tantrum, and carrying him out of the store (more importantly, out of audience!).   I remember doing just that a couple of times when at age three or four my youngest tried getting what she wanted by screaming; I got a few shocked looks when I carried her out like a sack of potatoes, but she learned fast that that tactic didn't work. Apparently this kid has already learned that parents can be loudly bullied into compliance.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: 3refs
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 01:35 AM

I think you can take most things that happen in life, whether they be tragic, heartfelt or enlightening and turn them into something really freakin funny! This is a situation that I would wish on an enemy! Ah ha, ya bastard! Look what you get for being a &%$&*$$&&!

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 06:38 AM

Robina- 2 of my 3 kids tried that with me. But only once. Carried out of the store. taken home and not permitted to play or come out of bedroom for couple of hours. " Nope! You wouldn't let me do what I NEEDED to do (grocery shopping), so I am not going to let you do want you want to do." "By the way, your dinner is not going to be very interesting tonight and you can forget dessert, cause there isn't any."

Still the advert is funny in it's context. Just wonder how effective it was (is).

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: RangerSteve
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 08:59 AM

It reminds me of the time I was in a grocery store, one of those Super Mega Huge Marts the size of a football stadium. I walked in and heard a kid screaming, so I started shopping at the other end of the store, only to find the kid was at that end - it was like someone had put Pavarotti's lungs in a 6 year old girl. I have know idea what she was screaming about - she had passed the point of being coherent and was just shrieking for the sake of it. Her mother, clearly a yuppie, was subscribing to the new-age hooey that it's bad for the child's self-image to be reprimanded. I was in the store for about 45 minutes, and the kid never let up. I sort of regret not saying anything to the mother.

Otherwise, it's a funny ad.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 09:18 AM

Chongo tells me that this is exactly what young chimpanzees (and some...ahem!... "mature" ones as well) do when they don't get what they want.

Yeah, it's funny. It's also kind of horrifying. I decided already by about age 15 that I definitely did not want to have any children, because I could clearly envision just those sort of situations arising in my future, and I absolutely did not feel I could handle it or bear it. Accordingly, I have never produced any progeny. As it is now in practical terms probably too late for me to do so anyway, I seem to have succeeded in avoiding this particular trial... (smile)

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: kendall
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 12:38 PM

I raised three lovely daughters and none of them ever tried to pull that crap.

However, my second wife was a child and family therapist and she surprised me on a certain trip to a restaurant. We had a state protective case, a three year old girl who had been abused and neglected. In the restaurant she would not sit still; insisted on running up and down the isle bothering other diners. Finally, Anni said to her, "You can either sit here with us, or you can be alone in the car. Which will it be."? The child continued to misbehave, so Anni took her out to the car and locked her in. We had a table by the window so we could keep an eye on her. Five minutes later Anni went out and brought her back in. Never had another problem with her after that.
Kids are so easy to outsmart, I wonder why people have to resort to beating, slapping or spanking them.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 04:04 AM

Exactly so Rapaire. If parents take care of the first incident in the right way, there won't be another. Well barring medical conditions that predispose a child to acting out, but even these can be managed and most of the time you loads of joy. So these minor tantrums don't weigh very much at all in comparison to how much fun and wonderment you get bringing up kids.

God! I miss my kids.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 04:17 AM

Or when the child has a tantrum, perhaps there is another way.....

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 05:40 AM

LOL I don't know which is the funniest

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 12:15 PM

Best commercial in Europe?
I saw a variation of This advert on 'Dave' the other night between episodes of Red Dwarf.
As there was no preamble to the advert, the meaning was left until the end (under a different brand name) - Very effective!

Cheers
Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 12:46 PM

I'm trying to believe that last ad; I asked myself why there were no instances in which all the foliage simply disappeared. Then I saw there was already a reference to that under the screen at the link.

As a somewhat serious amateur photographer, I always hate it when I encounter an otherwise beautiful scene, with a whole jumble of heavy power cable strung accross the view...

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 01:00 PM

Volkswagen made a wonderful series thoughout the 90's. I felt the best one was the bankrupt lord of the manor going about his home as the removal men under the supervision of the auditor cleared the place out. It ended with him driving off in his Polo.

Ah never forget the Hemlet cigar ad's.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 01:01 PM

People really need training in good parenting techniques before they ever HAVE kids. It would save a whole lot of grief later.

Most people yell at kids or hit them, instead of adopting a far more workable stratagem such as the one Kendall described in his post, and they do it because they just don't know any better. It's like they've taken on the biggest job in the world, raising a child, without having ever done any training for it at all.

I was keenly aware already as a young person that I probably wouldn't have any idea how to properly deal with raising a child, but most of the young people I know back then simply stumbled into it in all innocence, mainly because they just naturally liked having sex.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 02:34 PM

That's some broad generalisation there, LH. I have had three of mine, helped with several others and had a fair amount of time in the past five years raising my grandson. I have yelled at him; I have had to count to ten. When he was very young, he was taken out of a store immediately on trying anything like the commercial. Now, he can be much more subtle or not. Last week he found out Mama's bathroom with the locking door (his choice to lock it, not mine) was a more effective time-out spot than on the sofa where he could continue to go on about how unfair life is and what a mean person I was being!:-)

He is very articulate and smart...been around adults more than kids and taken on some very sophisticated means of communication including turning every technique used on him, all the way round to try them out on us. He is a wonderful challenge and I wouldn't have traded our times together for anything, but I am very glad he's going back to preschool full-time now...the past four months have been enough for the full-time gig for me. There are no classes which can readily prepare you for that...it takes life experience, imo.

Anyway, I enjoyed the commercials and have been known to almost go to the lengths of the second mom, though I didn't get down on the floor like her!

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 04:52 PM

LH is right kat, I'm an old guy now, but like yourself, we worked and we depended on family support and saw the kids of an evening. Sadly here in the UK many young women see it as a well paid profession. They top the housing list, generous grants to have it furnished, rent paid for them and a decent weekly cheque. Britain tops the poll in Europe for teen single mums. It's not down to poor sex education, it's down to not having to work for a living. There is a housing estate behind me and it's a prime example. I can't believe the age of some of these young girls with prams. When the weekends come it's like the wild west. Well for them can afford to drink and party. I live on a small pension, at least I raised by family by honest hard work and had kids for all the right reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 07:25 PM

They may be enjoying it now, Victor, but I have the feeling it will catch up with them later.

I just can't believe how casually and thoughtlessly a lot of young women get into having children these days. Good God, don't they realize what a huge responsibility it is and how much it will require of them? Apparently not. Some seem to actually feel that it's a financial windfall for them! This town has a great many teen single moms as well. It's become quite a common phenomenon.

Kat - Sounds like you've been finding your grandson, as you say, a wonderful challenge! ;-) Good for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 08:42 PM

"Sadly here in the UK many young women see it as a well paid profession. They top the housing list, generous grants to have it furnished, rent paid for them and a decent weekly cheque"

Sorry mate. This is a political myth propagated by the right wing press, and sadly believed by some young girls who fall into the trap of believing it to be the only way out of poverty, when in fact it traps them there.

How do I know?

My evidence?

Me!

I am a single parent and when my world came crashing down two years ago I had to go on income support.

I made use of every form of benefit available to lone parents.

Single dads qualify for exactly the same as single mums.

Lucky for me I have an education so once I had picked up the pieces I was able to point myself in a new direction so I am out of the trap.

Most unemployed single mums don't have the options I had.


And I would like to inform you, as you seem to be otherwise misinformed, that life for a singlee parent surviving on benefits is a miserable limited existence with no sense of purpose or opportunity.

I would also like to inform you that there is no luxury whatsoever for a single parent on benefits. The state ensures that your child has a roof over their head and food on the table, but to describe it as a "well paid job" or to assert that single parents see it as a well paid job are both grossly inaccurate statements.

If it wasn't for the safety net provided, I and my daughter would have been in serious trouble.

But strangely, getting out of the benefits trap is very hard to do.

I'm out, but only because I knew how to get there, and I had had a taste of what was out there so I had the will to escape, and finally, I had the will to reach "escape veloicity" and reenter the real world.

It is easy to judge when you are on the outside.

Having been there, I will never judge them again.

When you have nothing, and you are on your own with a kid, it is an exhausting life and a soul destroying one.

If young girls see having a kid as a route to the easy life it is because they are "informed" about it by the mail and the express as they "expose" the whole "scandal"

There is much more that I could say, but I think i have given a rough outline of the main points.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Ref
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 10:17 PM

Kendall hit the nail on the head. The same tactic worked with my daughter quite well. We never hit either of our kids, but I won't deny that tactic to anyone. Some of our friends have made good use of a sharp reminder to the hindquarters, though never on a frequent or prolonged basis. Kids come with very different personalities and learning styles.

I'd be interested, perhaps in another thread, to hear how that child wound up. Sound's like Kendall's wife was giving her the kind of human engagement an abused child needed.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 11:06 PM

What you say doesn't surprise me, lox. My impression of the single young mothers on welfare here is that they are living a hard and marginal existence. There are a few who were probably taken in at first by the same melodramatic right wing "welfare mother" propaganda you describe, and there's the odd one who's dumb enough to want still another kid to "increase her benefits", but I am sure most of them just feel trapped...as you describe. It would be very surprising if they didn't. Being on welfare with (or without) a child means having just barely enough to survive, and not one bit more, and it's hard as hell to get out once you are in that hole. (the various welfare regulations seem to actually work against one getting out...)

If I gave the impression in my earlier posts that I think they are all out on a lark and having a grand old time on social assistance...no, I don't think that. Hardly. I feel sorry for people on social assistance. I think they're in a bad spot and most of them know it full well.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: Victor in Mapperton
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 04:03 AM

Good on you lox for making the break. None of the young mothers living near me seem down in the dumps over it. It's not just single mothers, there is a good crop of lazy young men living with some of them on and of from time to time. There are a number driving new people carriers with disabled badges in the window, either claiming it for themselves or a child. I am yet to see any of them that look remotely disabled.

They are able to afford taxi's Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights to go to local niteclubs, and none seem to be wearing sackcloth. It's the poor kids I pity,what are they being exposed to. You see a string of guys leaving the estate weekend mornings.There is a nickname given to the estate, I wouldn't say it here.

Poverty today is among the young couples that both work for a living, they pay full wack, at least they can take pride in themselves and their kids.

Subject: RE: BS: Best commercial in Europe
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 04:38 AM

Trying being eligible for it and not getting Social assistance. Because my husband a university student had cosigned on a $10,000 saving certificate (it was his grandmother's - she just wanted to ensure he inherited the money) he and I and our infant son were not eligible for any welfare, not even food stamps. And though he was still under 21 and in university he could not have any of the death benefit when his father died, because he was married and not considered dependent.

Neither of us had wealthy parents, but we made do. Juice and milk was for the baby. Koolaid for us. We would share a Pepsi on a Saturday night as a treat. I made soft toys and even little alphabet, number and colour and shape books for our baby out of old clothes from my mom and siblings.

I didn't really feel poor until we had major expenses like dead car or fridge. And then again about 5 years ago when my daughter fell ill. We couldn't afford to by insurance for her and even if we could, it would not have been enough to save her. That is where the economic dividing lines are really drawn. Insurance and health care (even cosmetic care) are in place for the wealthy and healthy.

Marx was right.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need .