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fRoots magazine and folk clubs

Faye Roche 12 May 09 - 09:58 AM
Richard Bridge 12 May 09 - 10:01 AM
GUEST,Guest: folkandroots 12 May 09 - 10:05 AM
GUEST 12 May 09 - 10:09 AM
SteveMansfield 12 May 09 - 10:15 AM
Jack Campin 12 May 09 - 10:19 AM
Jack Blandiver 12 May 09 - 10:23 AM
GUEST,Faye Roche 12 May 09 - 10:42 AM
matt milton 12 May 09 - 10:42 AM
matt milton 12 May 09 - 10:44 AM
GUEST,Faye Roche 12 May 09 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,Faye Roche 12 May 09 - 10:52 AM
GUEST,folkandroots 12 May 09 - 10:52 AM
Smedley 12 May 09 - 10:53 AM
Leadfingers 12 May 09 - 11:05 AM
greg stephens 12 May 09 - 11:15 AM
Frozen Gin (inactive) 12 May 09 - 11:16 AM
Vic Smith 12 May 09 - 11:17 AM
The Sandman 12 May 09 - 11:20 AM
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Subject: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Faye Roche
Date: 12 May 09 - 09:58 AM

I stopped buying fRoots magazine some time ago, but I glanced through a copy that I found in my newsagents's last week and was surprised to see the subject of the editor's comment. Unless I dreamed the whole experience, he was extolling the virtues of small venues, which would seem, by definition, to include folk clubs.

Why I was surprised is that, reading this magazine, you could very easily get the impression that the UK folk scene either does not exist, or that the editor hates it with such a passion that he deliberately ignores it. (Apart from the Magpie's Nest, which isn't really a folk club!)

The magazine's focus seems to be split between African music (nothing wrong with that- it's good that it gets this kind of exposure, though there is also some great indigenous music from other countries, such as my homeland, Australia, for example) and the latest cute young Radio 2 Folk Award winners. Nothing wrong with that either, though some of them are vastly overrated in my humble opinion.

But... there is a lot of exciting music happening in folk clubs, with some unknown young bands who can knock spots off many of the award winners. fRoots must have a good circulation, as it is a lavishly- presented magazine that is available nationwide (and internationally for all I know.) To finance it, there must be a fair number of people who have enough enthusiasm for this music. Wouldn't it be nice if the magazine visited the folk roots of its home country as well?

I can't help thinking that if we had a good national folk magazine the club scene would be a lot healthier and less fragmented. If, for example, performances by new artists were sometimes reviewed, so that the said artists could benefit from wider exposure, wouldn't that be a good thing? There are quite a few young performers trying to break into the scene at the moment- how nice it would be if they could be more publicised; it might even draw a new generation of listeners into the scene.

BTW, I'm not grinding my own axe- I've retired from the circuit for now owing to pressures of work. But there are some astoundingly good new performers around, and it's a pity that the one national magazine in the UK chooses to ignore them.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:01 AM

Yes, I gave up on Froots long ago for similar reasons.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST,Guest: folkandroots
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:05 AM

I possibly shouldnt ask but I just wondered why you described the Magpies Nest as not really a folk club (not a criticism or disagreement with your description necessarily but just curious), as in my experience it follows the same structure as a number of other clubs/nights?


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:09 AM

the one national magazine in the UK

What about The Living Tradition?


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:15 AM

Faye, if you don't know it already, have a look at Living Tradition magazine.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:19 AM

Ian Anderson detests folk clubs and British ones in particular. Also, fRoots is about commercially recorded music, not grassroots performers (from anywhere) who aren't going to buy advertising.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:23 AM

I once got the phrase finger-fuck foreplay published in the letters page of of the Jan/Feb 1991 double issue Nos. 91/92 in a lette which also name-checked Sun Ra & Jim Eldon in the same sentence.

Respect.

Suibhne O'Piobaireachd

Hmmm - now there's an idea...


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST,Faye Roche
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:42 AM

Sorry, no time to log in just now so I have to be quick...

The Magpie's is not a folk club as I would define it. I've been there twice and left halfway through both times. The organisers obviously have a knack for attracting an audience, but I prefer to listen to folk music without the accompaniment of people having shouted conversations across the bar or jabbering down their mobiles.

If that's your thing, fine, though I think it's a pity that what could have been a good club has become nothing more a drinking venue with live music. If that's the future of folk clubs then I'll give them a miss thank you.

The Living Tradition is a good magazine, but it's not nationally distributed is it? I've only ever seen it for sale in a few folk clubs.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: matt milton
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:42 AM

"Apart from the Magpie's Nest, which isn't really a folk club!"

Disagree with you there. I'd almost go so far as to say you were wrong.

"reading this magazine, you could very easily get the impression that the UK folk scene either does not exist, or that the editor hates it with such a passion that he deliberately ignores it."

Disagree with you there. I'd almost go so far as to say you were wrong.

"Wouldn't it be nice if the magazine visited the folk roots of its home country as well?"

I would say it does.

"fRoots is about commercially recorded music, not grassroots performers (from anywhere) who aren't going to buy advertising"

Its focus might be on recorded music - in that way it's no different from the vast majority of other music magazines on earth – but I think the implication behind the reference to advertising is a little snide. Particularly as the issues of fRoots I've read contain many of the names – big or small – I see cropping up regularly on the programmes of British folk clubs.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: matt milton
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:44 AM

Ultimately, I think the original post here is essentially way off the mark.

I agree in the sense that it would be very nice to have a magazine geared to live reviews; I used to really enjoy reading the live reviews in Melody Maker and NME when I was a teen and I'm disappointed at the focus of most music mag – relegating live reviews to a page or a spread.

But, instead of knocking fRoots for not being the magazine you'd like it to be, why don't you start your own? You don't like its coverage? Well, a blog won't cost you anything but your time.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST,Faye Roche
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:48 AM

Really must go now...

Matt, I don't remember ever seeing any reference to any UK performer outside the Carthy/Lakeman/Hardy/Rusby/Bellowhead/etc. circle. (Not knocking these artists btw- I like some of them.) I've never seen any reviews of folk club gigs.

I'd love to be proved wrong though! leave some examples here and I'll be back.

BTW, re the Magpie's, if you disagree with me that's your perogative. See my earlier reply.

Duty calls- back to work.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST,Faye Roche
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:52 AM

"instead of knocking fRoots for not being the magazine you'd like it to be, why don't you start your own?"

I knew that was coming!!!

I don't like most of the output of all the TV channels either. What should I do about that???

Actually, I have thought about starting an online magazine- just don't have time. And I believe that a magazine that claims to be devoted to roots music should cover just that- a cross-section of roots music from everywhere, not just the editor's preference.

Aargh- can't stay any longer, much as I'd like to.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST,folkandroots
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:52 AM

"Sorry, no time to log in just now so I have to be quick...

The Magpie's is not a folk club as I would define it. I've been there twice and left halfway through both times. The organisers obviously have a knack for attracting an audience, but I prefer to listen to folk music without the accompaniment of people having shouted conversations across the bar or jabbering down their mobiles.

If that's your thing, fine, though I think it's a pity that what could have been a good club has become nothing more a drinking venue with live music. If that's the future of folk clubs then I'll give them a miss thank you.

The Living Tradition is a good magazine, but it's not nationally distributed is it? I've only ever seen it for sale in a few folk clubs."

I've no idea what its other arrangements are but LT is certainly available in many Borders stores although I suspect they could get a bigger distribution but these things cost money, resources etc.

Re - the Magpies Nest it was a genuine question, and I accept that it can be annoying there at times with the noise you mention but on the other hand I think you exaggerate a little, and its certainly the case that the majority of the (mostly youngish) audience are there to listen to the performers. I just wondered if there was something about the format of their events you had an issue with.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Smedley
Date: 12 May 09 - 10:53 AM

The cover story in a recent issue of fRoots was about a number of 'up and coming' British folk performers.

Unless they don't count as 'folk enough'.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:05 AM

Ian A Anderson has run Folk Clubs himself in the past , and froots WAS originally Folk Roots whch grew out of Southern Rag , a local magazinea covering mostly Hants , Surrey and Berks , so if the magazine has NOT met your wishes , as a magazine , is that their fault ?


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:15 AM

Well, I certainly manage to find reviews of up-and-coming folk artists in fRoots. Obviously not all of them, there wouldn't be room, but a good variety. Plus a lot of stuff about artists from other countries, a very well-rounded mag I would have thought. It obviously isn't exactly to my taste in every last detail, but it wouldn't be, would it? I think it's an excellent publication, and consistently so over many many years. Fair play to Ian A and his colleagues.
It obviously doesn't cover folk clubs in depth, but there's no reason why it should as far as I can see.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:16 AM

"Unless they don't count as 'folk enough'."

That's exactly it, Smedley, you've hit the nail right on the head. Some of the individuals and bands featured in fRoots have attained a certain level of commercial success, therefore, and to use a tried but trueism, in some people's eyes have `sold out` to `the establishment` I wonder if one of the testimonials for fRoots, by the esteemed individual, Robert Plant, is one of the roots, so to speak, of the discontent among the Cry Sell Out crowd? (indeed, in my opinion Mr. Plant is more folk than many so called folkies I've met).

I'll continue reading fRoots as long as Ian Anderson (no not that one!!)continues to edit and publish it.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:17 AM

Faye Roche wrote
you could very easily get the impression that the UK folk scene either does not exist, or that the editor hates it with such a passion that he deliberately ignores it.


Why, then has he been seen several times in recent years in the folk club that I run in Lewes, more than fifty miles from where he lives. He even did a gig there last year with Lu Edmonds and Ben Mandelson last year - and one of the best nights of the season it was.

Faye Roche wrote
(Apart from the Magpie's Nest, which isn't really a folk club!)


Why ever not? Please explain! Recent guest list there includes The Copper Family, Belshazzar's Feast, Ben Paley and Tab Hunter, Sara Grey & Keiron Means, Faustus, Jim Moray, Tom Paley, Ken Lansbury, Spiers & Boden. If the Magpie's Nest isn't a folk club, then neither is ours at the Royal Oak at Lewes, because these are the same people that we book. Could it be that the Magpie's Nest isn't really a folk club because - horror of horrors - it is run by young people who want to do it their own way?

Faye Roche wrote
the latest cute young Radio 2 Folk Award winners. Nothing wrong with that either, though some of them are vastly overrated in my humble opinion.


I'm afraid that this is a very unfortunate ageist statement. Surely if we don't get enthusiast and talented young people into folk clubs then the whole movement is going to die. One of our best nights in Lewes this year was presented by a 19-year old in a duo with a 14-year old (see a photo of them in action at http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4307) . We didn't book them because they were "cute" and "young", we booked them because they were superb musicians and singers and that is what we are after.

Faye Roche wrote
Wouldn't it be nice if the magazine visited the folk roots of its home country as well?


I'm afraid that this statement is a straightforward untruth. There is always a high proportion of articles on British artists - I, myself, have written articles on very many in the last few years for fRoots on people ranging in age from Sam Lee to Reg Hall. In the current issue, the cover article is on two superb English singers, Ian King and Nancy Wallace and a mass of other up and comers and there are articles Eddi Reader, Rachael McShane of Bellowhead and Heidi Talbot. In the main review section there are reviews of 16 albums of British performers who perform British traditional song and dance music. Now, it is true that a proportion of these performers choose to perform outside the folk club scene, but if the attitude displayed by Faye is in any way typical, then is that surprising?
Another area that fRoots covers that no other does - Songlines included - is the traditional music of young people and groups from immigrant communities. Some of these that I have heard are of an extraordinary quality.

Faye Roche wrote
I can't help thinking that if we had a good national folk magazine the club scene would be a lot healthier and less fragmented. If, for example, performances by new artists were sometimes reviewed, so that the said artists could benefit from wider exposure, wouldn't that be a good thing? There are quite a few young performers trying to break into the scene at the moment- how nice it would be if they could be more publicised; it might even draw a new generation of listeners into the scene.


Again very unfair. Recently, I approached the fRoots editor with an idea for an article about someone who has been on the English folk scene for 40 years and I wanted to mark the acheivement. His reply was "Oh, go on then, but can't you write something about some of the exciting young performers that are coming through?" You have much more chance of getting into fRoots as an young folkie than as an old stager.

Fay Roche wrote
But there are some astoundingly good new performers around, and it's a pity that the one national magazine in the UK chooses to ignore them.


There are; it's a very exciting time for young performers coming into the music, and not surprisingly, they don't all want to approach it the folk club way and many of them have have had articles written on them in fRoots but sadly, for Faye, they are cute, young and have won awards.
*****
As for comparisons with another magazine The Living Tradition, it should not need more than a cursory glance through both to see that they are trying to do different tasks. I have written extensively for both magazines over the decades, but these days I do write much more for fRoots because it is plain to me that it is superior in design and in the standard of writing in the contributions.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:20 AM

Ian Anderson detests folk clubs and British ones in particular. Also, fRoots is about commercially recorded music, not grassroots performers (from anywhere) who aren't going to buy advertising.[quote]
I totally agree.
Ian A Anderson has run Folk Clubs himself in the past , and froots WAS originally Folk Roots whch grew out of Southern Rag , a local magazinea covering mostly Hants , Surrey and Berks , so if the magazine has NOT met your wishes , as a magazine , is that their fault ?[quote]
which club has he run?
he used to play in folk clubs,blues mainly, as a singer he wasnt a patch[imo] on Joanne Kelly or her brother Dave ,who were both great blues singer.
Pooter Sings The Blues.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:26 AM

By the way, it's Jo Ann Kelly

Jo Ann Kelly

with links to a couple of other sites featuring Jo Ann Kelly's work


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:31 AM

Oh yes, and there is this item

Louisiana Blues - Jo Ann Kelly


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:39 AM

Jack Campin wrote
fRoots is about commercially recorded music, not grassroots performers (from anywhere) who aren't going to buy advertising.


Well, why did he publish the articles that I have written for him in recent years on grassroots, non-commercial traditional performers that I have encountered in Egypt, Louisiana and The Gambia.
If you could see the extreme poverty of the compounds where people like Suntou Kouyate, Jali Sherrifo Konteh live, you would be amazed that they have the energy to devote to their vibrant music. The only albums that they have had released - and they are superb musicians - are the ones that I financed out of my retirement lump sum. Ian Anderson accepted articles on both of them - and I didn't have any money to advertise them.
The best band that I have heard in recent years was one I heard in The Gambia in February, the Sofa Nyama Band and I have an article on them in next month's fRoots. (no album, no advertising!) I was invited to the compounds of six of the eight members whilst I was there and if any Brits were to see their living conditions compared with ours and the enthusiasm that they have for their traditional music in spite of it, then they would surely be humbled.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions about fRoots but please get your facts straight in your accompanying comments.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Mitch2
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:45 AM

I haven't bothered with fRoots for years so I can't comment on its current content, but a quick glance at its website reveals that its past few issues have followed the usual theme: African music (which I like, by the way, but not to the exclusion of everything else), more African music, some other European artists (probably some good stuff in there as well, but...) and more African music. There does seem to be a cursory nod in the direction of a few new names that are unfamiliar to me in one recent edition, but I gave up on the magazine as it does give the impression that the editor has a deep-rooted dislike of English folk clubs and the musicians who play in them- until they win an award, that is. I agree, the movement needs a widely-available magazine along the lines of the old "Folk Review" (anyone remember that?).

Incidentally, I have met the erstwhile editor twice: once about 30 years ago when a friend of mine booked him into his club as a musician, and again about two years ago. I think I can honestly say that a ruder, more conceited, more arrogant individual would be hard to find.

Oh, and while we're at it, the Magpie's is my local. I haven't been there for a long time for the same reasons given in the original post. The format is fine, the choice of guests is good, and it's a good venue. Shame about the audience.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:48 AM

Maybe you should return to The Magpie, Mitch, then the audience will, at least, meet your exacting standards...


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Jeri
Date: 12 May 09 - 11:49 AM

I used to get fRoots too and stopped because it was too expensive for me to buy something that wasn't to my taste. I think it's a good magazine and quite a few other people seem to as well.

This is like going into a packed club and discovering you don't like it, so instead of just leaving, you demand they change. It's not their problem, it's yours, and you don't look very bright when you publicly announce you want the world to change to suit your tastes.

                   ...well, you either appear to lack clue AND be willing to advertise it, or you appear to have an axe to grind.
I'm guessing it's the axe.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 May 09 - 12:00 PM

Captain Birdseye obvioulsly does NOT like Mr A , but for your informaion , Dick , before Hot Vultures , Ian ran a Blues club in Bristol and a mixed Folk Club in Weston Super Mare


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: matt milton
Date: 12 May 09 - 12:12 PM

sorry if my posts sounded a bit tetchy, but I just didn't really recognise the magazine being described. The last two fRoots covers have had Nancy Wallace & Ian King and Mawkin Causley. I can remember a cover that had Bella Hardy on it not too long ago, shortly after she released her debut album.

The album review policy that they have, with the "quickie-mini-reviews" supplementing the in-depth ones, means that up-and-coming artists get page-space that they wouldn't get in other mags.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: matt milton
Date: 12 May 09 - 12:17 PM

I also think that whoever complained about audience noise at the Magpie's Nest must have been simply highly unlucky in the night they attended. It just doesn't describe the experiences I've had there. Two occasions I've played floorspots there, if anything, I found the audience was a lot more atttentive than at plenty of other places. I've heard people play there totally unamplified. How would that be possible if it was the uncivil din of a place that was described?


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 May 09 - 12:19 PM

Leadfingers wrote :-
Ian ran a Blues club in Bristol and a mixed Folk Club in Weston Super Mare

Then when he lived in the Guildford area, he ran an excellent folk club there - and who remembers the wonderful Farnham Folk Days that he organised? What about all the years he and Maggie ran an agency, efficiently arranging bookings for many of the top names on the folk club scene? What about all the fine albums of British folk acts on the various labels that he has run over the years starting off all those years ago with "Village Thing"? Who produced the best recorded album that The Copper Family ever made? His drive and enthusiasm have been second to none and he seems to get nothing like the credit he deserves for this.

However, he broadened his horizons to find that there are fascinating traditional musics beyond the British Isles and the USA and reflected this in the magazine that he edits. Result? He regularly gets slagged off on Mudcat and elsewhere in the British folk scene. Is this fair?


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 09 - 12:25 PM

Matt

I regularly attend the Nest and Sam and Joe have done an extremely good job with the place and its offshoots, however there is sometimes a problem with people who wander up from downstairs to chat and play with their mobile phones but it is a small minority and the vast majority of attendees are there to listen


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 12 May 09 - 12:42 PM

Great magazine, fRoots. Considering it has an entire globe to cover, these tiny islands do relatively well.

If you want a magazine that concentrates almost entirely on UK folk, try Living Tradition or English Dance and Song. Both of them are alright, but in my opinion fRoots is better written and far more mind expanding.

fRoots does not exist as the house magazine of the British folk scene, and frankly, why should it? That's not its remit. If it had been, it would have probably collapsed years ago...

Meanwhile Faye (and maybe others) might enjoy this: Spiral Earth

And what Jeri said hit the nail on the head.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: GUEST,Phil Beer
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:09 PM

I very much agree with the previous post. What Froots does is to create a level playing field in which english music is absolutely on a par with everything else on the planet as it should be. That one thing alone makes it a worth while excercise. It sometimes introduces me to music I would not otherwise get exposure to. Perversely, I have in the past checked out things that it has been disparaging about to discover the odd gem. Overall it does a good job, is well presented and well written. There are plenty of other places to go if your tastes are extremely specialised aand a universal view doesn't appeal to you.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:12 PM

His drive and enthusiasm have been second to none and he seems to get nothing like the credit he deserves for this.[quote]

However, he broadened his horizons to find that there are fascinating traditional musics beyond the British Isles and the USA and reflected this in the magazine that he edits. Result? He regularly gets slagged off on Mudcat and elsewhere in the British folk scene. Is this fair?
listen Vic,if I want to listen to roots music,which I sometimes do,I switch on my wireless and listen to rte lyric,tuesday night FM 96 to 99 Reels to Ragas,I find Froots unnecessary.
let us deal with the first quote,
his drive and enthusiam for what,promoting his magazine,why should I find that Laudable,why does that deserve credit?
I can listen to roots music without his magazine,I do not need to be told what I should like ,or what he thinks is the next best thing since sliced bread ,I prefer to make up my own mind,.
many of us on this forum have run folk clubs, I have been involved in running three,neither do any of us expect praise for doing so.
he regularly gets slagged,Quote
well VIC,thats something that happens to all of us, it is part and parcel of being in the public eye ,I recall someone calling me a drug taker a little while ago,thats not fair either,
I am still waiting for an apology,and as you very well know I was right.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:21 PM

Thanks for the Spiral Earth link Spleen: bookmarked.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:24 PM

Gosh, there is some whining going on here. Ian Anderson is so obviously second to none in England as a tireless promoter and magazine publisher on the folk scene. He deserves hand-woven medals. You get all sorts of stuff in his magazine, from stark naked bright young things on the front to slightly more grey-haired old gits like me inside. Now, obviously it would be even better with me naked on the cover, but you can't have everything.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Banjiman
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:34 PM

It seems that those he has treated well and given coverage to like him and his magazine alot.

It seems that those and that he and his magazine have treated less well or ignored don't.

No surprises there then!


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:36 PM

Banjiman,bullseye.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: TheSnail
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:41 PM

It is unfortunate that the editor's comment that Faye referred to is no longer available on line. It was a little... odd. Can anyone reproduce it here so we can see the point of Faye's remarks?


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:48 PM

Well, I wouldn't say I've been well, or badly covered. I don't believe any live gigs of the Boat Band have been covered in 20 years, even though we've done a couple of thousand. But our records get reviewed, which obviously can be good bad or indifferent (depending on the reviewer or the record!). A bit of a boost would have helpful when we we were getting going, but hell, fRoots did come from Southern Rag and reflected that same hinterland. And we never played in the south, or only rarely.
We had a little feature in the Roots Salad section a couple or three years back, so that was OK.
So I think I am neither prejudiced for or against fRoots in terms of coverage of my own activities. I just think the guy works hard, covers a lot of music and musicians, and has kept going through thick and thin. Fair play to him.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Banjiman
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:50 PM

"But our records get reviewed! "

"We had a little feature in the Roots Salad section a couple or three years back"

"So I think I am neither prejudiced for or against fRoots in terms of coverage"


Come, come Mr Stephens..... that's a whole lot more than most acts get!


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:53 PM

Possibly. But then, we've played a whole lot more gigs than most acts do!


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Banjiman
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:55 PM

..... over the centuries is that Greg? LoL.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:55 PM

Dick Miles has returned once again with his "drug taking" accusation that he has trotted out on a number of occasions in the past on Mudcat. I won't get into a public slanging match with him because, as many people know, this serves no purpose.
Suffice to say that this accusation does something to twist the meaning of the original statement which was made by Ian Anderson on the fRoots Forum. If anyone is really that interested send me a private message and I'll give you my interpretation of the sequence of comments.

A public forum is not the place for such vexatious stuff.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:56 PM

I hold no particular view on the magazine fRoots, though this thread makes clear that whenever anyone goes out of their way to make a difference anywhere they had just better expect a load of detractors.

I Don't read the mag (English dance and Song and Whats afoot' give me most of what I need, along with the web) but am really glad that some people put in such hard work to produce it.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: greg stephens
Date: 12 May 09 - 01:56 PM

I've been around, Mr Banjiman. I've heard the chimes at midnight. Obviously, these days I am asleep by then.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 May 09 - 02:02 PM

Ian Anderson **loves** Seth and Show of Hands these days.

What more can I say?   (she said, cheekily...running off into the bushes, spluttering)

;0)


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 May 09 - 02:04 PM

Vic Smith,is a regular contributor to the froots forum,and appears to be a friend of the editor of Froots.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: folkandroots
Date: 12 May 09 - 02:06 PM

Lizzie

I think you'll find that Ian and Froots whatever your opinion of either have covered both artists you mention for quite a number of years to be fair.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 12 May 09 - 02:10 PM

And fRoots gets a thumbs up from the esteemed Mr Beer, above.


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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs
From: Rain Dog
Date: 12 May 09 - 02:11 PM

I have never been reviewed in fRoots so maybe I should stop buying the magazine. Of course I haven't released a cd or played a gig but is that any reason for fRoots to ignore me? Why haven't I been featured on the front cover? I walked past a folk club once so doesn't that give me the right to have a whole issue devoted to me?


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