Show of Hands - Bellowhead

Subject: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:14 AM

SHOW OF HANDS - BELLOWHEAD

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:21 AM

Link didn't work for me Vic.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:24 AM

It worked for me! :0)

SOOOO funny! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

(apart from the folk award bit, of course..ahem...)

I bet Jackie'll get her own back on you....in fact, methinks you is a marked man.. ;0)

Spluttering wildly down here in the West Country!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Vic Smith
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:28 AM

Dave Hanson wrote -
Link didn't work for me Vic.


Try this one, Dave
SHOW OF HANDS - BELLOWHEAD

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:47 AM

1st link broke
2nd link broke my ribs i laughed so hard.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 11:04 AM

This was actually made by Steve and Phil.... all publicity is good publicity!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 17 May 09 - 11:11 AM

Hysterical. Cheers!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 May 09 - 11:14 AM

Oh wondrous! Just had to rate this 5 stars on YT...

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 12:27 PM

"This was actually made by Steve and Phil.... all publicity is good publicity!"

Oh....well, in that case, I can even laugh at the bits that I thought I really shouldn't! :0)

VERY funny. If you've not opened it yet, OPEN IT!! And if you can't get Youtube on your 'pooter, go round to someone who can!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 12:33 PM

Are you *sure* it was made by them? Or are you pulling our legs? ;0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:19 PM

That is excellent. 'If I'd wanted pub singers I'd have booked ... '

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:42 PM

Of course I made it up. It is a very funny video, but I'm sure that some of the humour( and certainly some of the reactions) is sparked by schadenfreude.
   Why are some people so offended that some very good musicians, who did the folk club trail for years, have made good! In Buddhism 'Mudita' is the quality of joy at the achievement of others, rather than jealousy or ill will. Try it, it makes life brighter.
    I posted that little fib to check those who were sniggering down their sleeves rather than laughing out loud, as I did, to the inventiveness of the film.
    SoH are playing tonight at the Exmouth Pavilion, seats 500, sold out weeks ago, could have been 4 times that. No ticket, so will enjoy Topsham Folk Club instead. It sounds like some correspondents would wish SoH to still be doing floor spots at Topsham and Exmouth, and dreaming of what might have been. They've made it! be generous! Rejoice!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:44 PM

The funniest thing I have seen since Victor Meldrew found the cat in the freezer!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 01:49 PM

OH!!   What a *refreshing* post to see on Mudcat, Tug...YIPPPEEE!!! I hope everyone in Exmouth enjoys the show, I'm sure they will...watching those two local lads made good.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say..

Absolutely...REJOICE!

..and I kinda knew you were making it up..honest... ;0)



Lizzie The Gullible. LOL :0)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 17 May 09 - 02:08 PM

Now the rest of us know what Joan Crump looks like....cute moustache *LOL*

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 May 09 - 03:24 PM

Ah yes.... :0) LOL

'I vould rather stick pinz in mein eyez zan listen to za moozik of Show of Hans!'

(Sorry, falling off my chair over here, with giggles)

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Barden of England
Date: 17 May 09 - 03:40 PM

Priceless!!!

John Barden

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:04 PM

"Now the rest of us know what Joan Crump looks like....cute moustache *LOL*"

That's the bit that ain't so funny - I missed that implication first time round.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Gweltas
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:10 PM

This was really hilarious and such a wickedly clever idea, brilliantly executed. Thanks a million for posting the link, Vic. It has been quite while since I have had such a good laugh!

However, on a more serious note, I'm wondering if the original film makers, from whose film this clip was "borrowed", would have a case for infringement of copyright and misuse of material ? The only reason I mention this is that I found another clip on you tube last night which seriously abuses and misuses recording of a song written by a friend of mine, which it turns out was used without requesting prior permission from the author, who has now alerted you tube regarding copyright infringement and requested that it is deleted forthwith.
I've sent him this link to cheer him up ! LOL

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:20 PM

This is an unnatural thread. The backlash should have started by now. Joy - support - nitpicks - doubt - anger - sides - equilibrium: that's the way it is here. Will someone please pick a nit, it feels weird.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:32 PM

"That's the bit that ain't so funny - I missed that implication first time round."

ya do have to have a sense of humour around here....

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 17 May 09 - 04:47 PM

I didn't miss the implication nor do I find it funny.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 17 May 09 - 06:02 PM

I didn't miss the implication nor do I find it funny.

Oh goody. Everything's going according to the script.

Any minute now . . .

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:44 PM

I missed the implication ( sorry Joan Crump, don't know who you are) at the risk of starting some flaming going off, could someone explain to someone who is clearly not part of the in-crowd.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:54 PM

Well, the thread was started by someone who runs a traditional club, and has had posts from people who have disagreed with each other on previous threads.

I suspect people are reading more into the thread than was originally intended. Joan Crump is the Artistic Director for Sidmouth Folk Festival (and a Mudcat member).

Kitty

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 07:59 PM

Ah, simples, thanks Kitty.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:01 PM

Yeh, I was a little supriswed to see Vic posting this, unless he just thinks it's funny and deserves to be enjoyed. he normally supports SoH, as on current froots and folk clubs thread.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Cllr
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:28 PM

I love SoH and Bellowhead, I nearly fell fell off my chair laughing.
I have seen a number of treatments of this film - one on blogging and another on wow are the best IMHO anyway thanks for posting it.
cllr

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Phil Beer
Date: 17 May 09 - 08:36 PM

Not Guilty I'm afraid. It wasn't me M'Lud. Very funny though. Best laugh I've had for a while.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zimmerman
Date: 17 May 09 - 09:21 PM

Diane Easby

nor do I find it funny

You're not fooling anybody - this has your fingerprints all over it. Fair play to you though - who'd have thought you had a sense of humour.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 May 09 - 12:54 AM

As I already commented earlier on another thread, I am wondering how exactly the current Sidmouth organising committee feels about being likened to the 3rd Reich.

Top of my A-list of who might have produced this vid is someone scarcely likely to have collaborated with me, though you'd all have had my complete absence from proceedings categorically confirmed the moment the ridiculously-named "Zimmerperson" started flinging out wildly-off-beam accusations yet again about me, who he knows neither from Adam (nor Eve).

I don't actually find The Producers wildly funny either. But at least that was a Mel Brooks personal choice and not an unwarranted attack on someone who has striven long and hard to raise the level of tradarts programming here in England.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:39 AM

I love these moments. I like to wave at them as they pass by.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Marje
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:41 AM

Thanks for posting that, Vic, it's really set me up for the day! Great stuff, I'm still grinning.

Marje

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Shaw Farmer
Date: 18 May 09 - 04:59 AM

Seth Lakeman! a cream guzzling pasty head! RAOFLMAO!

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 18 May 09 - 06:34 AM

The evil of the Third Reich may be, to some extent, ceremonially diffused by appropriate humour. This doesn't do that - rather it lifts it into another context altogether and by doing do trivialises the deaths of millions. This is is not funny in the slightest - it is vile, and it is shameful.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 18 May 09 - 06:40 AM

Oh dear.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 18 May 09 - 07:12 AM

This is one of the rare times I disagree with S O'P. Not on whether the thing is funny or not - the sequence has become one of the internet subtitle standards for whatever send-up you fancy - but the error was in making such a film in the first place.

Some events are beyond art, especially popular cinema, and re-writing them for anctors in wigs and costume was pathetic. It invites pastiche for the tastelessness of the original film.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Joe P
Date: 18 May 09 - 07:31 AM

'Some events are beyond art, especially popular cinema, and re-writing them for anctors in wigs and costume was pathetic. It invites pastiche for the tastelessness of the original film. '

Which events are you specifically referring to? Either way, surely revisiting such events as the holocaust, the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich etc through film and other art forms, is sometimes the only way to communicate the seriousness of such things to a new generation. History lessons and documentaries just dont do it for some people, and not having films like this will reduce the understanding of the events that could so easily repeat themselves.

Whether people should profit from such films is a different matter.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 May 09 - 07:52 AM

There are over a hundred Bruno Ganz as Hitler memes, audio and video snatchings from Downfall, the 2004 German film. What makes this one particularly distasteful is that it purports to represent people   known to us who are merely trying to run a festival, not a political campaign, fer chrissake. I mentioned The Producers before as just a bit iffy on the pastiche front, but that film was meant to ridicule evil through tastelessness. This is a step much further as it implies a lot more than shambolic lack of organisation (not that I would concede even this failing upon the present Sidmouth team).

It is the wrong way to satirise the shortcomings of music programming and should not have been made. But as it has been, I deplore the OP's decision to give it publicity.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: LesB
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:08 AM

Oh ye of the unpronouncable gaelic sounding name. Get a life!
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:14 AM

So let's see: the story so far. Show Of Hands think its funny and the person running Sidmouth thinks it funny and so do lots of viewers judging by comments here there and everywhere, apart from Deirdre Spart and some person named after a garden creeper. Any word from the Bellowhead camp?

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:19 AM

I first saw the film used in a similar vein but the protagonists were Sheffield United and West Ham.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Zimmerman
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:35 AM

OK Diane, I was only joking when I fingered you as a conspiritor in the making of the clip. It was the Show Of Hands reference that made you an irresitible target.

It couldn't have been you - you've got the bile but not the guile.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:45 AM

Have I?

What I surely do have are the ears never to make the mistake of scripting that SoH never play out of tune.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 18 May 09 - 08:55 AM

Oh ye of the unpronouncable gaelic sounding name. Get a life!

You wouldn't know life if it fucked you up the arse - which is presumably why you fund this deplorable bullshit in some way acceptable.

As for the pronunciation: Sweeney O'Pibroch.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Nicholas Waller
Date: 18 May 09 - 10:38 AM

"Some events are beyond art" -

Good idea, but which ones, and who is to say? We probably need some sort of National Committee to issue licences to soi-disant artists.

Then we can weed out those aiming to make money from entertainments constructed of unacceptable material - child abuse and murder, warfare, rape, religion, domestic violence, unfair social relations, mining & shipping accidents and natural catastrophes and so on - backed up with lethal legal force.

Andy Hamilton informed us on Have I Got News For You last week that he was chided by clear-thinking Government minister Hazel Blears, who said that clever "wordsmiths" like him shouldn't go around offending people by deploying their fancy words.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: glueman
Date: 18 May 09 - 10:57 AM

All Quiet on the Western Front, Dreyer's Joan of Arc, Paths of Glory are films that handled history with greatness. This looked like a loada crap from the fancy dress shop.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: Folknacious
Date: 18 May 09 - 11:12 AM

Have you seen the whole film? I have: it's shocking, gripping, disturbing, strongly acted and filmed. The subjects are certainly not glorified: the message is very clear

But I still didn't mind the SOH Bellowhead clip. Not only is it funny in itself, but by taking the scene out of context it by-the-by reduces the original participants to ridiculous cartoon characters, no bad thing on a different level. But not how the scene works in the film.

It's back to that thing about the difference between intentionally giving offence and deciding to gratuitously take it. The latter is a self-important luxury.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 May 09 - 11:12 AM

Very funny. Perfectly tasteful. Not rude to Joan Crump at all. That's my opinion.

Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 18 May 09 - 11:21 AM

Der Untergang (Downfall as we pirates say) be Oscar nominated and did win galleons of awards. Not all treasure is silver and gold, mate.

Downfall