BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?

Subject: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: GUEST,jeddy
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:31 AM

it always amazes and annoys me when festivals say no dogs even just on the campsite. i understand in venues and rbut all sorts of crap and the festival gets the blame.
i understand round the food outlets but on the campsite? all the folkies that we know are responibe and ALWAYS pick up after and it infuriates me to see the lcals leaving not only doggy doos but loads of other crap too. it isn't hard to tell who is more to blame as we are only at these places for 1 weekend out of the year duh

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: GUEST,jeddy
Date: 19 May 09 - 11:35 AM

sorry that was garbled i left my arrow thing in the middle and it did wierd things basically locals leave the crap and we get the blame. the above post does make sense but it's more like i jig saw puzzle if you can find where it fits good luck

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 09 - 01:29 PM

Yes, they allow children who are a damn nuisance.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:04 PM

Doc Watson's son Merle was once attacked by a festival-goer's dog while he was walking through a campground. The dog bit him on the hands and he was unable to play guitar for several months.

Having your dog around may be a pleasure to you, but if it should bite someone, you'd probably be held liable for the victim's medical expenses, lost wages, and possible punitive damages. Unless you have very good insurance, Fido could cost you your house.

If you really feel like you need a pet at a festival, get a hamster.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:14 PM

I saw one of these being pulled through the crowds at Rochester Sweeps. Apparently a status thing for the younge male pwner. Poor animal did not look happy in that forest of moving legs and feet.

Don't think it is very kind to bring pets into a potentially upsetting environment.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:33 PM

My usual take is, go to the festivals where people wouldn't bring dogs that would bite. I've never had a problem with hippie dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Rog Peek
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:40 PM

it's not just the biting, it's the "Ooh he likes you." As the dog sniffs its way around you as if YOU had four legs and a tail!

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Rog Peek
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:41 PM

Yea, I know, it's just searching for its own arse. But that's not the point.

Rog

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Rog Peek
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:48 PM

In case there's anyone out there that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Dog's Meeting

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 19 May 09 - 02:53 PM

Having an area for those who have dogs makes sense. That way anyone who wants to keep away from them can do so. Dogs should be kept on a lead in public places anyway so stray sniffers shouldn't occur. We choose where we take our dog carefully because if we intend to go to events its not fair to leave Lottie for too long on her own. We use a dog crate when travelling which she also sleeps in at home so she's happy to be there. We tend to only take her to more informal gatherings where we can spend time with her.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:34 PM

RANT ON

Gee.....Didja' even bother to see if this had an older thread? Didja' even bother to look??? Of course not! Around here, no one gives the tiniest shit for any opinions other than their own. Learn something from previous threads? Hey....Fuck THAT!!!! Why, if I do that, my limpass opinion might go unnoticed............

Not much on this thread....only got a bit over 400 posts......


RANT OVER

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:41 PM

i think thats why some fetivals only allow dogs if you are in a caravan so they can't escape and are familiar. but when we were in the tent i must admit they escaped once, we tried to pin everythig down but it didn't work, to be fair it was our first time in a tent with them. we know alot more now though. i will say that we are not perfect dog owners have have made a few mistakes but we will own up to them and apologise if it is needed. however some people complain if they holw for 5 mins after we leave them but they are always sound asleep when we get back a few hours later. i agree that other peoples' children are more of nusance sometimes and nobody says a thing double standards methinks

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:43 PM

hey catspaw calm down! i really hate to think of you getting so wound up just over a post on the internet.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 May 09 - 04:58 PM

I love getting wound up! Makes me laugh generally. I know sarcasm is the cheapest form of humor but I've been sarcastic around here for over ten years. Plus, all I need is a cheap laugh, not one of those well crafted and expensive ones..............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Polly Squeezebox
Date: 19 May 09 - 06:03 PM

It's up to individual festivals to decide whether to allow dogs or not and, of course, dogs shouldn't be put into an environment that would cause them stress. Many years ago dogs were allowed into venues at a festival I was very involved with, and it was obvious that dogs taken into ceilidhs, dances or very crowded venues were out of their comfort zone. So that, together with the health consideration, led to a ban on dogs in venues - but not on campsite.

It's up to individual dog owners to decide whether they will attend a festival that doesn't allow them to take their dog. We choose not to attend, even some festivals that we have loved in the past before becoming dog owners. It's up to dog owners to be responsible, in general, festival goers are far more considerate (in the matter of cleaning up after their pets or general rubbish) than the local public using a site. As to the matter of dogs biting/insurance, the festival aspect is irrelevant. If you are a dog owner you should be confident that your dog will not cause a risk to people (unless, of course, those other people physically attack you).

Zak, our bearded collie/sheltie cross loves festivals and gets very excited when we start packing up the motorhome. He seems to enjoy attending singarounds where he can sit under one of our chairs, and I think we've now persuaded him not to give that one bark he did to show his appreciation of a song when others started applauding.

Some 'festival dogs' have their own fan clubs, and many in the south of England remember those such as Benny, Jester, Trooper, Sheba and other doggy friends who have enriched festival campsites.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: mg
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:05 PM

wHY WOULD I bother to see if this had a previous thread? If I was having a conversation with a bunch of people would I check to see if a different grouping of us had discussed Sarah Palin before? If the answer was yes, would I ask for a transcript that I could read so I did not repeat myself?

If the same group of us met regularly to discuss Sarah Palin would I even then check for old minutes, or transcripts or recordings to avoid any redundancy? No..my opinions would still be quite fresh to me and people would wait with bated? Baited? breath to hear them all over again.

PS No dogs anywhere not on a leash. We have nasty ones here. And no pit bulls period if you ask me, despite how loveable they are. Too many three year olds with faces ripped off. mg

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:21 PM

Spaw, you are a bad influence, causing good, upstanding citizens much grief. For instance, while idling on the sidewalk while my dog poked about in a vacant lot, a motorcycle roared out from a nearby intersection and went popping and snorting down the two blocks to the traffic lights. Not a kid but a paunchy upper middle aged 'broke dick mamaluca'.

Hearing myself mutter the epithet made me laugh out loud.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Peace
Date: 19 May 09 - 08:28 PM

"dogs at festivals yes or no?"

Might depend on your food laws . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 May 09 - 10:35 PM

Perhaps I should clarify: It was I who was idling on the sidewalk, not the motorcycle.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Sooz
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:52 AM

We don't go to festivals if we can't take our dog. She gets a couple of long walks (although not the 5-6 miles she would get at home) and then chills in the motorhome while we go to concerts etc. We did take her to a concert once but she wanted to sing along so we took her out again!
We expect to have to keep her under control on the campsite and we always pick up after her.
Quite a few festivals have missed out on our custom but by now we know where we are welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: GUEST,jeddy
Date: 20 May 09 - 06:14 AM

it does seem a shame that we can't support and enjoy the festivals we want to because of the actions of a few. to mg thankyou i couldn't have put it quite so elequently!

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Ref
Date: 20 May 09 - 06:27 AM

Unless they are guide dogs, please leave them at home.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Sooz
Date: 20 May 09 - 06:58 AM

On their own?

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 20 May 09 - 10:55 AM

My dog is coming with me as I cross from Vancouver to Quebec and then.... wherever. No choice. But She lives well in the car and I will not put her in the position of being where she is unwanted.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Maryrrf
Date: 20 May 09 - 11:16 AM

Isn't it nice to have both, and let the festival organizers decide if they want to allow dogs at the festival or not? That way, those who own dogs or enjoy having dogs around will have festivals they can attend with their canine friends, and those who don't can stay away if they really feel like dogs are a deal breaker.   There are several festivals I go to on a regular basis, some allow dogs and some don't. I never took my dog to festivals, by the way, she wouldn't have enjoyed herself and the crowds would've made her nervous. But I greatly enjoy the 'dog friendly' festivals where the pooches are part of the fun. Many of them include a 'dog parade" where they strut around with their owners and seem to relish the attention. I can enjoy the dogless festivals too, for the music and vendors, etc. A lot depends on the site of the festival as to whether it can reasonably allow dogs. In all cases it needs to be implicit that the dogs be under the control of their owners at all time, and that they have current rabies shots. Owners of course have to clean up after their dogs too. I've never seen a major problem with dogs at festivals. To me having dogs around (friendly, well behaved dogs, that is) is a plus.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 May 09 - 11:26 AM

Hey Ebbie.....If you're just idling maybe I could rev you up a bit. I say "a bit" not because of you but me....Ain't a lotta' lead left in the pencil here....................

AND

As for "WHY WOULD I" from mg.....Well, maybe because this ain't a normal group conversation unless you been standin' around shootin' the shit at the bar for the past dozen or so years AND then if anyone actually read the "Create A New Thread" page, that's the preferred and suggested method!

Now do I really give half a pile of gnat shit about it? No.....I just enjoy poking at this topic occasionally as I do at people who post without reading the thread and say the same thing that's already been said 20 times before as though it is a brand new idea! These folks constitute many members of Ebbie's "Broke Dick Brigade."


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Rasener
Date: 20 May 09 - 02:12 PM

I know Sooz and she and her husband are responsible dog owners. As shge says, she leaves the dog in the motorhome when she goes toan event at the festival.

My only personal issue, with people who take their dogs into a room, is when you have people who are allergic to animals. My wife and daughter are very allergic to animals, such that we have had to give a dog and cat away becuase of their allergies.
Dog owners need to be considerate about that.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: GUEST,jeddy
Date: 20 May 09 - 02:41 PM

spaw,    i don't know if you are as intellegent as you try to make out you are, but have you thought that some of us haven't had access to a computer before now and it's a new experience for us to be able to join in.   though i do enjoy the verbal ping pong. and about allergies i hadn't thought of that even though i am allergic to cats. we had three before trying to live in a camper van (don't ask it was a disaster) i was always having colds but loved them loads so i understand how hard it is to do the right thing.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 20 May 09 - 05:08 PM

Aware of allergies. Just don't come near me wearing any type of fragrance! I have to leave the room. And don't sweep the floor. The worst "illness" I've ever had was a result of old dust. We all need to be aware of the many "allergies" and "sensitivities" most people have these days. Including those who do not even realize why they feel unwell. Fortunately, I am not allergic to dogs; life is "hardly worth living without one."

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: mg
Date: 20 May 09 - 05:33 PM

I think we have reached a tipping point with near insanity over animals being "family." I have seen three dogs in church now, one very big. I am constantly harrassed by loose dogs when I am walking. On a TV show a woman brought a little dog with her to work and expected everyone to accomodate it. I wish no harm to animals but I want them outside and leashed or fenced. Taken to extremes, you have a situation like the chimp that attacked that poor woman..and besides being allergic, many people are deathly afraid of some animals...I am not and I will stand my ground with dogs and I will call the police on their idiot owners if they let them run loose and harass people..if they are just loose of course I don;t but if there is aggressive behavior then I for sure will. .mg

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:22 PM

One of the reasons I fell in love with Whidbey Island, in addition to environmentalists, Democrats, folk dancers, lots of musicians, etc, was that almost every vehicle had 1 or more dog passengers. There are several off-leash parks and an off-leash beach where we can enjoy Puget Sound as we meet other dogs and owners, dogs and humans making new friends and enjoying the natural world. We try to always be aware that not everyone loves dogs like we do so dogless people, although welcome. are given respectful distances. Solitary walkers or sitters are given their meditative space. Irresponsible dog owners are rare, but they do exist. Just like lots of other ways in which humans are irresponsible to one another.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: GUEST,Doc John
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:18 PM

Dogs = dog dirt: no thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Acorn4
Date: 21 May 09 - 05:33 PM

There was a thread on this about Shrewsbury Festival last year as someone was bitten.

A dog's hearing is different to humans, and sometimes the music can be a discomfort for them , so perhaps not in venues.

Not sure what the final decision has been on Shrewsbury and dogs this year.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:00 PM

iv'e noticed that spaw hasn't got back to me. i feel very sorry for anyone who gets bitten at a festie it must ruin thier weekend though whose fault it is we can't say some people have no common sense.they try to fuss them in the dark sometimes not very sensible! as for shrewsbury i would be GUTTED if they banned dogs coz it's one of our favorites( that dosn't look right does it)?
one of our dogs apparently bit someone but nobody thought to tell us till two years later very dubious.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 May 09 - 07:12 PM

So what was I supposed to get back to you about jeddy?

Glad to see you joined.

Was I supposed to say I'm a dumb shit? Well, hell, I already knew that and so does everybody else around here but thanks anyway for the moral support!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 21 May 09 - 07:51 PM

i guess we could make a dumb shits club. i had to join really since i love this mudcat thing, thanks for making me welcome!

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 May 09 - 11:51 PM

Spaw, I do not want to hear about your pencil. And since when does the 'Broke Dick Brigade' belong to me?

"spaw, i don't know if you are as intellegent as you try to make out you are..." Jeddy,

It's worse, jeddy - Spaw is even more intelligent than he 'tries to make out'. He's just not smart enough to hide it.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 09 - 07:22 AM

LOL Ebbie.......Kinda' like that guy you wanna' kill because he drives just fast enough to be driving too slow.

I've noticed as I get older that fewer and fewer conversations involve my pencil.............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: topical tom
Date: 22 May 09 - 09:59 AM

Dogs at festivals? Not a problem if they are on leashes at all times and
kept away from dense crowds, food and dining areas. Even better: they should be restricted to the camp site unless they are guide dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: kendall
Date: 22 May 09 - 02:19 PM

Absolutely not. Who wants to walk in dog shit and track it into their new 100k motor home?
Sure, if the owners were bright enough to pick up after their mutt, but how many do?
You can see the land mines in daylight but in the dark you dont see it and you dont know you stepped in it.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 02:59 PM

so kendal does that mean you will NEVER go a festival on a farm? like stainsby for example. as for spaw i want nothing to do with your' pencil. nobody likes a smartarse. oh shit i'm in trouble then! so are you one of those that have a lot of letters after your' name or are you just bloody old and have lived through every era in history?

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:17 PM

Hey.....I'm only as old as the women I feel but ain't nairy a solitary teeny bopper will let me get close.................****sigh****................................


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:00 PM

lol i don' blame them if you try to chat to them about your' pencil, or is it coz you're very ugly and that's why you are so smart?

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: kendall
Date: 22 May 09 - 07:32 PM

Bee dubya ell, any dog that bites me will never bite anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:09 PM

is that becuse you would kill it or coz you are infected with something? don't know where you are but i heard a story on talk sport years ago where a bloke was walking trough his local park when he was unexpectedly attacked by a dog. he lifted up and threw it on some railing spikes killing it.   abit o.t.t but okay , he then left it there for the kids to see on their way to or from school.(thats the bit i have a problem with) so although i hope it never happens to you i do hope you would be responsible enough to own up.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: kendall
Date: 23 May 09 - 06:16 AM

Cruelty is another issue. I am never cruel.I like dogs as I like most animals, but I will not tolerate being bitten.

My older brother used to walk every day and he carried a golf club. An old woman asked him what the club was for and he said, "Dogs."
She said "That's cruel." he replied, "Not if they stay on their property."
I appreciated his clarity of thought. It's a talent so many people lack.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 07:43 AM

are there alot of dogs attacks where you are?   because round here the only stray dos are the ones who take themselves off to the park to play. there will probably come a time when we have to make that call , hurt or get hurt. there are a FEW owners round here that have dogs that are aggresive towards our dogs and just don't give a toss. so i see where people are coming from.   one of ours is tempremental he doesn't bite but does make a lot of noise, even that i find unexceptable and he gets atime out round a tree.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:42 AM

Why stop with dogs? That's discrimination. Lets get pet pigs, horses, goats and all onto the festival grounds.

A regular festin du merde

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: kendall
Date: 23 May 09 - 09:24 AM

Everything has a place. It's when we put them where they don't belong that starts trouble.
Those little yapping bastards that yap all the while their owner is gone really get up my nose. My dog seldom barks at all. Too much bother I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 09:42 AM

well you have all seen ferets on leads, i think a pig wouldn't look too out of place.

Subject: RE: BS: dogs at festivals yes or no?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:09 PM

I think a few children could do with a lead at festivals!