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GUEST,jeddy 20 May 09 - 08:54 AM
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Subject: BS: stupid things with cars
From: GUEST,jeddy
Date: 20 May 09 - 08:54 AM

last winter when we had all that snow, in the carpark of our local park, for a few days i messed around skiding and sliding then when itried to be sensible the car went out of conrtol and nearly ended up in the river with one wheel four inches off the ground. thanks to a nice passer by, who rescued my car we were fine. is there anyone else who has had a silly things happen when they were trying to be responsible?
Jeddy is a member.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 20 May 09 - 02:36 PM

Small twisty country road with ice. Driver of car without snow tires or chains slid on icy road and got stuck so backend was out across one lane. We (in 4 wheel drive with snow tires) came around bend see car across our lane, manage to get around the stuck car only to smash into another car (also not 4 wheel drive, no snow tires or chains) coming from opposite direction it also having also lost control on ice.

Because we were in the wrong lane (to avoid the stuck car) we were at fault and had to pay for damage. Virgina insurance has no road condition or foul wheather clause. Didn't matter that the other 2 drivers were out in vehicles not fit for the conditions.

If we had stayed in our lane and hit the stuck car, we would have been done for not trying to avoid accident.

Goodbye $2000 and hello 3 years increased insurance premium.

Bummer!


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: GUEST,jeddy
Date: 20 May 09 - 02:47 PM

major gutted! when we in ireland we went back to someones' house on the way back took wrong turn and ened up on a small pier with no street lights tried to reverse and ended up in one of the biggest holes i have ever seen, it swollowed the bak right tyre. went back to the house after getting lost in the dark they came to help us and fell in the hole!!lol we were trying so hard not to laugh everthing was fine but couldn't stop roaring all the way back to the campsite.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: goatfell
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:10 AM

that is why i dont drive


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: gnu
Date: 21 May 09 - 02:02 PM

Oh... I thought it read "stupid things with ears". Must get my ears checked.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: goatfell
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:10 PM

the stupid things with cars are men and women drivers, they think that they own the road by the way that some of them drive


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: GREEN WELLIES
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:54 AM

Dont believe all the guff about road holding and range rovers.

I managed to spin completely - all the way round - on about half an inch of snow, whilst travelling on a completely flat road at about 15 mph.

My husband said its a very special tallent I have, and also because I'm a woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:24 AM

An empty parking lot isn't the worst place to find out what your car--and you-- will do under adverse conditions.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:14 PM

I had and Isuzu trooper and had driven in snow and ice before. Always take it slow, never jam on the brakes, let the wheel go where it until you feel control coming back to you. It is a combination of knack and practice.

But never encounterd black ice. Sneaky stuff.

On my way into to work at 5am one December, I hit a patch of black ice under just starting to stick snow. Did a 180 degree on a mountain road. Ended up heading in the wrong direction in the other lane with driver door slapped up aginst side of mountain. It could have been worse - might have gone the other way over the side.

A big truck (semi or lorrie) barrelling down after me. I managed to get the door open enough for me to clamber out and start scrabling up the hillside, but my right foot/shoe was caught between door and car. I had visions of losing my foot if I survived the truck hitting my Trooper.

The truck missed me, which was so lucky because he was losing control on the same patch of road I did. Shortly after UPS van came up behind me and the driver stopped, got my truck unstuck and followed me back up the hill to the first house. All I had was a few tiny scratches in the paint and flat left rear tire. Oh and torn up hands and hurt ankle from trying to get free of my vehicle.

People in the house let me call my spouse. He did not get chance to change tire until 11:30am as he spent the entire morning trying to warn away drivers from going down road before salt truck came. So many ignored him and you could hear them screeching and wrecking. (people are dumb)

Finally county deputy and state police arrived spent the whole morning helping cars get unstuck and taking reports.

I had nightmares about that wreck for sometime. The terror of that big rig coming at me and I couldn't get out of it's path.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: gnu
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:23 PM

Dick... an empty parking lot is the BEST! All drivers should take advantage of meesy around in same to get used to how to handle the situation. Plus, it's fun!


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:27 PM

I've found some of the stupidest things I've seen done with cars, have to do with attempting to make repairs. I think this calls for a song. I heard Bryan Bowers sing Workin' on the Good Old Car last night:
    Here come the neighbors with a bunch of stupid questions,
    full of even dumber advice,
    And just about the time you get a bead on the bugger,
    You get a dose of rust in the eye,
    And it's hard to take the pain as you try to bend your head,
    The way the Lord didn't mean it to go,

    Nothin' like workin' on your good old car,
    Save yourself a little bit of dough.


Be sure to follow the link and watch the video.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:49 PM

VT - all 4WD drivers should do an off-road course. I think you sound as if you were on the right track, and possibly your experience in the US has taught you a lot.

I bet the thing that caught you out on the Isuzu is that many of them do NOT have automatic-locking front hubs.

At the top of a silppery descent: -

1. If humanly possible, walk it first, noting specific hazards.
2. Lock the freewheeling hubs. It may be worth SLIGHTLY deflating the tyres (if you are going to be able to get them up again). The lower contact pressure (bigger footprint, see) may save you from the surface melting of the ice that produces a frictionless water bearing between the tyre and the unmelted ice. Also, the slight concavity of the middle of the under-pressure tyre may let the shoulders of the tread dig in a smidgeon and produce SOME directional volition.
3. Engage low-box.
4. Select first gear.
5. Move off by jumping off both footbrake and clutch. Or leave them alone. Turn the engine off. STILL leave them alone and start on the key. You will get a little lurch as you get into motion but with luck you will not have disturbed fixity between the tyres and the road.
6. Do not touch either again (and certainly not the handbrake) until you have finished the descent or come to rest.
7. Steer smoothly. Anticipate. Make no sudden course changes. Do NOT have the wireless or aircon on. You may need the heater, but do not run the fan. You need your ears about you. If it is not too cold, opening the widnows will let you hear better what the tyres are doing.
8. If you hear or feel the tyres start sliding, you MAY be able to regain control by slight acceleration (!) - but you are going to need to slow down again later.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:50 PM

Great song! I was half expecting one more verse about left over parts and not knowing where they go.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:51 PM

I think I coud re-write it to a psalm setting...


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: gnu
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:16 PM

If all the yuppies did a 4WD cousre, it still wouldn't matter. They all step on the gas in cold weather and accelerate and THEN think the can decelerate as well... just don't work that way.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:22 PM

You are wholly right gnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:28 PM

PS - does 135 (speedo) and still gaining way in a 740 Volvo count as stupid?


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:23 PM

yes i rather think it does. but at least everything will want to get out of your' way in that tank!!

i am sometimes tempted to drive like i am in a volvo, you will come off worse but refrain as we can't afford the repairs and don't know how to do anything on this. lack of funds spiols all my fun i think i might have been a stockcar racer in my previos life!


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:33 PM

Thanks Richard. My suzi was an automatic. And I had put in lower gear at top of hill.   I was ready, I thought.

As I hope to learn to drive in UK and will be learning in a manual, your instrux will come in handy. But handier yet is the driving course offered by Essex County Council. Done in your own vehicle, somewhere near Lee Valley Park (I think) they set up hazardous road condtions for you to practice on.

There is an insturctor who talks you through what to do in different situations (one of them is losing control of car on slick surface).

I believe it is only for ECC employees though and we have to pay for it. But I think well worth it.

I was always a defensive driver in the US. But I don't know how I would be here. There is so much going on and drivers seem much less predicatable too.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:15 PM

VT The automatics had manual front hubs. So by not locking them first you were in effect in a 2WD vehicle.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:17 PM

PS - KtC will I think tell you that I am press-on and maybe aggressive but technically competent.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 09 - 09:51 AM

Not a car, although I have done many stupid things in them as well, but the most embarasing was on my 25 year old Honda CX 500 custom bike.

Cooly walk up to it, as it leans on it's kickstand, shining in the sunlight. Don the shades and helmet in view of onlookers on a busy street. Smile with satisfaction as it fires first time with a throaty roar. Casualy backheel the stand out of the way, pull the clutch, snick it into first. Look round, nothing coming. Set off smartly and then fall off as you realise that you have not taken the front disklock off...

Glad I can laugh, although it hurt more than my pride!

:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: jeddy
Date: 24 May 09 - 07:43 PM

giggling out loud!!!!!

its nice to know that other people do things that are just as stupid as me.thanks for sharing.
it's cheered me up after a stressful night looking for the lost debit card arghh.

ps we found it in the first place i looked, typical.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: open mike
Date: 25 May 09 - 12:03 AM

i hope no folkies have done that silly ghost riding trick...

here is a video of a slippery sliding 180 degree turn that happened
while driving in near-blizzard conditions the winter before last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZKi1OO37k4


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 May 09 - 08:44 AM

Ah yes the lockable hubs. I remember them and my poor frozen fingers trying to turn them to correct postion in the dark.

I had not that morning as it was not snowing when I left home. In fact snow had only started as I approached that descent. Might very well have made a difference.

Should have known that it would not be sticking so readily unless there was ice beneath.

Think the most annoying blizzard driving I have had was when idiots in front of me following to close to car in front of them, rear ended them on a curve (same road as both events above) and caused another car coming from other direction to slam into them. I managed to slide off the road onto shoulder and into ditch some 3 car lengths away, but had good view of the curve and the repeating scene of numbnuts going around me and sliding into the accident clogging up the curve. 12 vehicles smashed up in the end with long streams of cars from both directions backed up. I was stuck in slush, mud and snow for something like 6 hours. Froze my buns, I can tell you. Had to keep getting out to clear snow off my emergency lights, so following drivers would be warned of problem ahead. Not one bastard stopped to ask if I was ok. Not even the emergency crews (there were injuries). I had to ask driver of fire truck to stop the following traffic in order to give me oppourtunity to pull out of the ditch, else I would have been left there rest of afternoon and night.

Meanwhile I am freaking about getting up that goddamn mountain (the one I wrecked on previously) to get back home, because the snow was just getting deeper and deeper.

I was lucky, though. At the bottom there was a plough behind which cars were queuing to go up hill. State police had set up so only one way traffic in turns (up and down) to follow the plough.

Now remind me why I miss snow?


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: jeddy
Date: 25 May 09 - 02:04 PM

that sounds really horribe and somewhat scary.
i can't believe no one helped you, selfish bastards you could have been really hurt and no one would have known.


in uk we are lucky and don't have bad snow normally, but i only mess about in car parks when they are either empty or very close to it like GNU said it is good fun, buti also think that instead of having that test in front of a computer so you can take your driving test they should make you do a few hours on a skid pan(pen?). because nobody in this country prepares you for skidding. that is inviting trouble is it not.


what training do they give you in other countries?


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 May 09 - 03:10 PM

4WD owners should remember that, while thay may have a lot more "go" in slippery conditions than 2WD counterparts, they tend to have even less "stop" (they're generally heavier)


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 May 09 - 03:36 PM

Which is why I always followed at a very great distance and took it slow much to the annoyance of other drivers. Damn lot of fist shakers.


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Subject: RE: BS: stupid things with cars
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 May 09 - 10:37 PM

Last Summer, Lady Hillary and were visiting The Rockbound Coast and got a wheel into a ditch trying to turn around.

Fortunately, that drive wheel was close enough to the side of the ditch that I was able to put it into contact while Lady Hillary engaged the clutch. [Remember those?] The car climbed out and my trouser legs got a good coating of mud.

Look calm and motor on.


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