BS: BNP: What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:04 AM

Oooh, and tha twas me getting the 600, too!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:06 AM

it is dangerous to bring 'concerns about this' and 'concerns about that'into a debate about the facist and racist nature of the BNP. I have concerns that one of my local pubs no longer sells real ale. If BNP voice the same concern that does not deminish their evil and devisiveness.

Anyone can make a public statement that they will "do SOMETHING about an issue". What we are waiting for here is honest and transparent answers about what what their SOMETHINGS are.

The first thing they can do is stop denying the criminal records that a number of their members including senior members have. Secondly stop denying their venomous activities for which their is more than ample documentary and film evidence. Thirdly stop denying their links with fascist and race-hate organisations around the world, or at least for a start provide an explanation why it is in the public interest to engage with such. Fourthly - stop lying on television - Bronz lied about his arrest and conviction this morning.

Fifth - keep your nasty slimy grubby hands away from the worker coop movement. We dont want to catch any nasty diseases from you.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:31 AM

I just looked at the DIGG sight and I have never seen so much bile and hatred in one place before.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:32 AM

Richard, you say that the posts are all about the same time.
I wrote the words and posted them only here.
There is an implied criticim and doubt in your post.
I really am not responsible for what others did with it, however soon after my original post, am I?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 08:39 AM

There is no country in the world that allows uncontrolled, unrestricted immigration.
No British party advocates that either.
That does not make them all racist.
The problem is that our respectable parties will not talk about acceptable levels or how they could be enforced.

That is how BNP, with its very unBritish values and ideas, are able to gain support in areas of high immigration.
It is too easy for those of us outside those areas to pass judgement on them.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 11:31 AM

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8644741474

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:09 PM

BNP Press officer explains how black peoples genetic inferiority is to blame for their being more disposed than whites to violence crime etc ...

       HERE

Would any BNP supporters, perhaps MBSGeorge, like to explain or justify the points made here?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 02:32 PM

Love or loath George Galloway (I personally am generally pretty indifferent) this cross examination of a racist woman very effectiveley boils the whole issue down to its fundamental point.

"Life was sweet when we ruled the world"

The English Master race is missing its empire.

here

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 03:47 PM

i had a listen and it is clear that the woman doesn't have a clue.
when she claims that her ancestors come from london, i wonder how far back she went.
when george asked why she was superior to him she had no anwers.

this is a classic example of the fear that the BNP can spread, people are frightened but don't know why.

people are scared of being overun but don't know who by.
these people are scared of something that they have been told to be scared of, and alot of them listen without question. WHY? for too long we have been told by government that THEY know what is best for us and we have meekly accepted it. when we try to challenge the government now, they think we haven't got a clue and ignore us.

it is that sort of mentality that will let the BNP get more power.

it is our duty to inform people there is more to it than that and to inform them of their choices and that they have a right to choose, and what those choices could lead to.

i hope tht woman begins to wonder why she could not answer GEORGES questions, and starts to delve deeper into the reasons behind the thinking.

take care all
jade x x

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:51 PM

That woman's views are revealing Jedy.
This report polled the views of 1000 BNP voters.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/who+voted+bnp+and+why/3200557

Here is a sample.
Not surprisingly, BNP voters regard immigration as the top issue facing Britain. Fully 87 per cent of them told us it was one of their top three or four concerns. (This compares with a still-high 49 per cent among the public as a whole.)

But when people are shown the same list and asked which three or four issues "are the most important facing you and your family", the figure falls to 58 per cent. True, this is three times the national average of 20 per cent, yet it means that for almost half of BNP voters, immigration is NOT among the worries of day-to-day life.

We also find that most BNP voters do NOT subscribe to what might be described as "normal racist views". Just 44 per cent agreed with the party in rejecting the view that non-white citizens are just as British as white citizens.

Yet the feeling is widespread that white Britons get a raw deal. Seventy seven per cent of BNP voters think white people suffer unfair discrimination these days. But that is also the views of 40 per cent of the public as a whole.

The average British voter is more likely to think that discrimination afflicts white people than Muslim or non-white people. And only seven per cent of the public think white people benefit from unfair advantages, while more than one in three think Muslim and non-white people receive unfair help.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 04:54 PM

I simply followed a train of logic Keith. You say that you wrote and people copied. That could happen two ways - "pull" ie people found and copied all on their own, or "push" ie you wrote and then you or someone close to you alerted people to what you had written.

What you wrote here was on Facebook and Digg within about half an hour of your writing it.

How likely is it that bnp scum are watching either you or me that closely - that they know what we posted within about half an hour?

That seems to me to make the "push" theory more probable.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 06:15 PM

How so, Richard? We know that there are a few genuine Nazis (a term I prefer to use rather than the laundered initials BNP) hovering round the Mudcat these days.

As the inscrutable sage Cantona reminded us "When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea".

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jun 09 - 07:00 PM

Well, Kevin, it would be vanity for me to suggest that they thought me dangerous to promote me to "Redwatch", and why would they watch Keith at all? He is fairly right-wing on most topics.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:17 AM

Richard, within minutes of my first post an anonymous guest posted an attack on it from a BNP perpective.
It said I was lucky to be in cosy Hertford and have other people to fight my battles for me.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:22 AM

Richard, an old post of mine.
There are others.
I have always and only opposed them.

From: GUEST,Keith A o Hertford on tour - PM
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 05:01 AM

Josh, we all here share an interest in our music and are a forum of friends. If you are not into our music, why have you started this discussion?
if you are here to recruit for BNP then you are really not welcome.

Non UK folks, BNP is an extremist movement, but immigration is a main stream political issue

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 03:35 AM

I doubt that they have a target list of people to watch Richard.
They are just being opportunistic.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:26 AM

Because it is a nasty thing to be accused of fool.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 06:11 AM

This is in danger of degenerating into a witch-hunt. Keith is no more a BNP supporter than I am - some opportunist low-life has seized on his post and exploited it, as such people do. And someone, somewhere, must be having a good chuckle at the paranoia now making itself evident here.
FFS, leave Keith alone and concentrate on the real problems.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 11:34 AM

"They probably figured they were there to plunder the country side, pillage the villages, loot the towns, and rape the women, just like the immigrants now. "

There ya go Riginslinger you ahve soething in common with people you hate...which, for me is a very soboring thought.

Non-white immigrant, that's me :-)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:06 PM

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/about/gensynod/agendas/feb09/gsmisc903a.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:34 PM

Keith's story is realistic i think Richard.

BNP lies tend to be along the lines of "The BNP aren't racist because..."

ie - BNP supporters don't usually deny being BNP supporters, they generally lie about the BNP to persuade people to take another look.

Keith has made a point of dissociating himself from them.

This is not consistent with BNP behaviour.

Unless anything else were to be uncovered I would be satisfied that Keiths assurances are sincere, as much by their tone as their content.

Wringing out further hypotheses from the available evidence won't get us any further however and Keiths response doesn't look like changing no matter how many different ways the evidence is represented.

Richard, it is clear that these circumstances have made you feel very uncomfortable and with good reason.

A bit of trust and mutual understanding wouldn't go amiss here.

It is not pleasant to have ones identity misused and it is also not pleasant to be cross examined over something that one hasn't done.

Why would someone steal Keiths words?

Why would someone steal Richards name?


It is perfectly possible that you are both victims of the same person.


The uncertainty of course makes it difficult to lay to rest, but the variety of possible hypotheses does mean that for now at least, the barest minimum fairness requires that Keith be granted the benefit of the doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:50 PM

"There ya go Riginslinger you ahve soething in common with people you hate...which, for me is a very soboring thought."


             Wrong you are, Rifleman. I don't hate anybody. I simply think North America and Europe need to update their immigration policies before they find themselves completely swamped in wall-to-wall humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 12:56 PM

The worm is impersonating someone else now.

I don't think anyone could do a better job discrediting the BNP with words than this person is doing by their public actions.

Fundamentally, I think this is a troll, and may not care a bit about the BNP but for it's effectiveness as a trigger. Get sucked in if you like, fight with the troll or with each other, but this is a weak person looking for you to entertain him.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 02:45 PM

Ok Riginslinger The Troll here's my final shot, I,ve wasted far too much time on you, so......

" Wrong you are, Rifleman. I don't hate anybody."
Right out and up front, Riginslinger, you're a liar.

Jeri is right, you're a very weak person, a troll, who is looking to be entertained, you've kept me and my family entertained, briefly, laughing at you, as it turns out. I know how to respond to people like you. Well Riginslinger or whatever your name is, time's up. In closing I'll say this, I am as you probably know, one of those people you want to control, a non-white immigrant, but this timewe are not going to allow your type to tell us what to do and when to do it, this time we fight back, see you in the arena.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 03:08 PM

I should note that I hadn't read the post immediately preceding mine by Riginslinger (with whom I don't agree) before I posted. I was referring to the Facebook wanker, no matter who that might be. I have suspicions, but I don't believe he ever used his actual name that I know of. It's just a   person who knows how to get up people's noses.

Judging by the attention trolls get by some Mudcatters, people enjoy trolls up their noses. There's a song in that.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 03:21 PM

Jeri I think you're comments apply to both "the facebook wanker" *LOL* and Riginslinger the Entertainer

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:19 PM

Well, I thought it was worth a try, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: plnelson
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 04:29 PM

The success of the BNP in the recent election (not to mention UKIP) should be a wakeup call to the major parties.   

The impression I had was that BNP and UKIP drew much of their strength from the frustration that many people feel over the economy and many aspects of EU membership.      British voters were promised a referendum awhile back on the EU.   

As a USAian I don't have an opinion about the future of UK EU membership or immigration policy, but I get the distinct impression that ever since Tony Blair decided to support the US in Iraq (see my blog entry a few years back:
http://blog.pnart.com/?p=13 ) there has been a growing body of UK voters who don't feel that mainstream politicians listen or respond to them.   And that the politicians will do whatever they bloody well want to do. This leads to extremism and social unrest.   The way to undermine the BNP is for the Tories and New Labour to be more responsive to the voters (and get their ethical house in order while they're about it)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: MBSLynne
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:22 PM

A little late in posting to this Mike. I don't come on Mudcat much any more but I had to look at the other thread where she "outed" herself after the comments on the Middle Bar group and I now have to come on this one to say I also agree with you and find I can't continue to be a friend of this person...sadly.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Jun 09 - 05:53 PM

I just had a look at the Redwatch site - I'm not in the zone.... yet.
As well as photographs, the pages request personal information about the people they have photographed.. a possible breach of the data protection act?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 05:42 PM

Heads up, guys. We're not allowed to call people racists in the Mudcat. I've just been told by the guy in charge.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 09 - 06:09 PM

Whew!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 04:28 AM

It looks like there has been a practical demonstration of what the BNP mean by voluntary repatriation this week in the Lisburn Road area of Belfast.

If they came to power at which point would the thugs be brought in to persuade people that repatriation would be preferable.

Also if BNP policy of requiring those completeing military national service to keep a semi-automatic firearm? What will be the main purpose of that?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:29 AM

mmmm.. i wonder. like when they target someone it isn't scary enough, without having drive by s.

take care all

jade x x

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 19 Jun 09 - 11:19 AM

It was the perfect example of what can be expected from the BNP and their thugs. I won't be running away though, they can expect a fight from me, in a VERY big way. So much for 'talking' to these animals, and 'staying within the law'.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Dan Plews
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 12:14 PM

I've been reading the threads on the BNP and just wanted to thank one of the contributors to another thread (I found his last posting on this one so hope he's reading)
Your comments made me laugh loud and long. I've included them below for anyone who missed but might enjoy them. Apologies if that's not the done thing.
Dan Plews

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 07:39 PM

Bnp are rubbissh, [really rubbisah, most rubbish people i ever herd of],
you can see this for yousdelf, just look at the bnp people=ie
= they are look like evil bastards, and look like thugs, and very bad people, i seen them on telly, they look very bad [lilke fighting people, ie them people waht like to make trubble, and they all got really short hare, [like skinheds], and you can tell they are bad , just by look at them, and they piss me off.


there new idea is= give all ex army people guns, and they idea is = all ex army people hafe to carry guns, i am ex army, if they give me a gun, i will shoot them [the bnp;s], not the coloureds.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 12:29 PM

bloody hell, Dan THAT took me 5 reads before I got what the person was on about, mind you I'm still not quite sure what he means by a short hare

right I'm off to get some fresh hare......

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Emma B
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 12:38 PM

jOhn's off the wall humour was always a welcome addition to mudcat - good to see his posts again
- but don't mention hampsters :)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 12:39 PM

i got it. the spelling isn't important it just has to make sense, like i can talk about spelling!! lol

giving guns to everyone who only makes it through basic training is bloody scary.talk about giving someone the go ahead to murder!!!!!

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: meself
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 01:15 PM

Troll alert.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:29 PM

"Troll alert."

and the troll is whom?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: meself
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:34 PM

The latest mysterious "guest". If he's a friend of yours, and you can vouch for his good character, then I withdraw my remark. But I'm suspicious of someone who revives a dead BNP-related thread in order to ridicule a poster critical of the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 05:27 PM

Fuck the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 06:57 PM

quite!!!!

jade x x

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:44 AM

Even if we're not concerned, the blackface morris issue is generating heat on the Stormfront fascist forum.
From member 'Bonny Green Garters':It's time for me to confront my 'friends' in the Morris and show them what is really happening in our once Great Country... Before any more of them decide to remove me from their Facebook 'Friends' lists...
And, from the same morris-dancing nazi: I was once part of a black-faced Morris side doing our occasional annual Summer weekend tour of Brighton. We were apprehended by some Black youths shouting, ''Hey! I know why you guys black your faces ! " Nervous embarrassed dismissive silence from my middle-class middle-aged liberal dancing mates.. "It's cos Black is Cool !!" the Blacks replied. So I suppose that's alright then..

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 11:44 AM

I think that's rather witty of the black youths. I'd have asked them to sing a song at that point.

But I have just had a flash of light! I know what to do to the BNP.


Give Bearded Bruce honorary membership. THen he will have his own band of stormtroopers and ACTUALLY be able to invade "populist" countries in stead of merely dreaming about it.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:16 AM

"Fuck the BNP."

no thanks STD's are not my thing, sorry

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:27 AM

i think i would give them a rogering, if i had the right equipment!!, using condoms of course!

jade x x

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:50 AM

Jade, you shock me! I thought you to be a woman of impeccable taste! :-) :-)

The 'right equipment' IMHO would be a red-hot poker. They don't like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 02 Jul 09 - 11:57 AM

"i think i would give them a rogering, if i had the right equipment!!"

*LOL*

Jade, I have a longgggggg barge pole, well over ten feet, that you can borrow ;-)