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BS: BNP: What would you do?

GUEST,Jon 23 May 09 - 06:40 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 May 09 - 06:40 PM

I'll admit to a mistake above. I'd missed it was .org.uk, not .org.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 May 09 - 06:05 PM

I get this when I try:

"Timeout on server
Connection was to www.bnp.org.uk at port 80"

Probably a server down.

BTW, this British supporting party appears to me to be using American hosting services.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:38 PM

Is it just me or has http://www.bnp.org.uk/ (BNP homepage) moved, been taken down, something?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:14 PM

just recording it now, thanks


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:06 PM

There's a programme of Channel 4 right now called Hitler: The Rise of Evil


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:05 PM

to rifleman my mind does NOT change with every posting, i stand by every single one of them! i threw in the comment of the army becuase ins't what we are talking about( the bnp and bully boys)isn't that what are armed services supposed to be fighting, people who hate the freedom of speech? yeah i know we wre lied to and the reason they gave for going in doesn't stand up, but if it weren't for a minority there would have been peace in iraq years ago.


as for agreeing that our country is in a mess, if you think it isn't then you must live somewhere totally different to me. i was only agreeing with the statements NOT the way to fix it, that i admit idon't have a clue as to the way forward on a national scale is obvious on other threads.
i do want my vote to count and don't want to end up regreting who i put my trust and faith in. is that so bad?   if others thought about where their vote is going so much then NO-ONE would vote bnp would they?

so maybe you should look at your' own reasons for posting on this thread.


even if my mind wasn't totally made up that's the whole piont of us discussing something not just to say i belive this and i know that i'm right.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:42 PM

There are situations that test friendships, and there are those that stretch them beyond breaking point, and if in a friendship that point is passed then they individual has to weigh up the loss of a friend against loss of personal principles. The breaking point varies from friendship to friendship and relationship to relationship (historical example the English and American civil wars where it was know for brother to fight brother). That point could be something as trivial as supporting the wrong football team.

At the other extreme would you expect any friends that Ian Huntly once had to stand by them? Many people find the BNP and what it stands for so odious, that it is the action of standing for the BNP that breaks the friendship. If one person breaks off a relationship because the other had an affair, it is the affair that breaks the relationship.

With regards to gumption, who had more, the victims and survivors of Nazi persecution or the SS/Gestapo.?

Anyway I was going to leave this thread to other folkies at least for tonight.....


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:32 PM

"Why is the British Nazi Party aligned with hate groups around the world? KKK, Aryan Nations, Canadian Heritage Party? I've no doubt they have--in fact I KNOW they have--Stormfront members.

Would one of you British Nazi Party guests--hell, you're all guests because you do NOT have the courage of your convictions--not when you'd have to stand alone, anyway. There's a word for that: gutless. But, that's to be expected of people who fashion themselves after people like Hitler, Eichmann, et.al.

What's your timeline for the death camps? Any idea?"




I was kinda hoping a BNP person would answer this.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:27 PM

My last two posts were in response to a British Nazi Party guy. It was deleted by a clone.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:26 PM

Dear Nottingham.

Think back to what the Sheriff of Nottingham represented. Then think again if that is who you want to be. I am aware of the argument that John Lackland was a gifted administrator but he was a despot and oppressor too - and in the end defeated.

It seems to me that you have no understanding of the difference between right and wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:26 PM

the only two names of "guests I've mentioned are

GUEST,Scopes and Burning Bridges

"o thought this was suppossed to be a discussion not an all out war.oh shit, i am not equipped properly. as for your' jack russel(l)s they wouldn't get too far against steel toe caps!

No mention of "our brave soldiers" here

AND I,ve had a look at your postings on other threads, your mind changes with every single post you make. You really don't have a clue, do you sunshine?
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"The British National Party would probably make it into a parliament elected by proportional representation, too. It would shine a torch into the dirty little corner where the BNP defecate on our democracy, and that would be much more powerful than duffing them up in the street — which I'm also in favour of."

- Billy Bragg in an interview with The Guardian, 2004


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:24 PM

So, back to the topic. Why does the BNP align itself with so many hate groups?

Would the friendless SoN answer that?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:22 PM

I understand the meaning of Nazism, Jack.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:07 PM

Why is the British Nazi Party aligned with hate groups around the world? KKK, Aryan Nations, Canadian Heritage Party? I've no doubt they have--in fact I KNOW they have--Stormfront members.

Would one of you British Nazi Party guests--hell, you're all guests because you do NOT have the courage of your convictions--not when you'd have to stand alone, anyway. There's a word for that: gutless. But, that's to be expected of people who fashion themselves after people like Hitler, Eichmann, et.al.

What's your timeline for the death camps? Any idea?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:57 PM

Doers anyone notice that the British Nazi Party people have no names?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:56 PM

to rifleman,
god you know how to make me laugh!!!!

if you had been reading this tread then you would know that i HATE the bnp,however it really does make me question your' ability to argue with reason when you resort to threats from your' dogs.

"i'm not properly equipped for war"


was supposed to be a dig at the present government, for our brave soldiers. which you would have seen if you would get your' head out of your' arse and read things properly.


as for the threat i was making, if any of your' ankle biters tried to have my feet then i would doubt that they could get through steel toe caps and yes i would kick them. do you honestly think anyone would just stand there and let them?




still chuckling.....you should be a comedian!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:22 PM

From: jeddy - PM
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:29 PM

o thought this was suppossed to be a discussion not an all out war.oh shit, i am not equipped properly. as for your' jack russels they wouldn't get too far against steel toe caps!

Now THIS is a threat, and the true colours of the BNP shining through.
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Mind you, the left can be equally as bad as the right, with the old propaganda.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:17 PM

oh, and ellie....

I suppose you would like to go back the the imperialistic "good old days" of the British Empire, where our economy thrived on the back of exploiting as much of the rest of the world we could get away with.

Stripping other countries of its wealth and resources, and exploiting their workers in the process.

oh, and Ellie as you are so interested in history, find out how many of the Indian army died in the 2nd world war defending the freedoms that you now enjoy and then tell me that you are not proud to have Indian people living here ... and Nepalese.

And while you at it. think about how we should be proud to live in a country where asylum seekers often give up everything in their own country, often including family members where they know they can be safe from persecution.

and when you start going on about how good living was 50 years ago, then as a history expert tell me how many working class people left school at 14 years old, tell me whether the infant mortality rate from childhood diseases has gone up or down.

Do you have your own colour tv, automatic washing machine, dare I say a car, a hifi, a computer? Has the standard of living really deteriorated that much over 50 years?

Your the historian... go on tell me.......

How many wars have there been between EU member states since the Treaty of Rome? Do you even know what the Treaty of Rome is?

Do you want to go back to the good old days when people with disabilities and learning disabilities and mental health problems were largely institutionalised?

We have a long way to go, a hell of a long way before we finally get to a fair, equitable, and socially just society, but step by step we are getting there, governments make wrong decisions on the way, and have different outlooks on the best way to get their (the traditional labour view of planned interventions against the traditional conservative view of laissez faire.

But... popularist finger wagging is no evidence of the BNPs ability or even willingness to act in the interest of ALL British people, irrespective of race and ethnic origin.

You refer to history, there is no evidence from the history of BNP and its spin-offs that it is not a neo-nazi collective of racist bigots, no matter how much you rant.

Anyway, I have a life to live, and I've wasted enough of my bank holiday weekend on you lot already.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 03:00 PM

Err- fascinating. The EU is Marxist? For heaven's sake try really hard to read a little bit of elementary EU law. The EU started life as the Common Market - with free movement of workers, goods, services and capital.   That's what it was for: the benefit of the marketplace. The underlying concept of the EU is capitalist.

And if I have to pick a broadcasting company that is the least biassed and most balanced in the world - I'll pick the BBC. I have some idea what I'm talking about, having been an entertainment and media lawyer for over 30 years. The BBC of course was the main source of truth to those occupied by the third Reich: maybe that's why you don't like it.

If the BBC is telling lies about you, why not sue it? Before you shoot your mouth off, I know the answer. Honestly I do. One of my fields of expertise is libel advice. Now speculate how I might know.

And before you tell me I know jack about inner cities, I teach some of the time near the Elephant and Castle, and am frequently the only white person on the street or in the bus on the way home. The oafs I see making trouble are more often than not white, rather than black. Over 90% of my students there are not WASP.

Beowulf, this is not the mischief making of Ratatosk the messenger.



Anonymous Guest with capital letters - you need to consider the roots of all the economic evils you cite. It was not Marxism. It was capitalism. But please, astound us with your ability and learing and explain how you are going to create an economy for the good of the people. If you have any ideas, the world is waiting right now for a way to cure the economic mess - and the last recession was cured by what the USA then thought of as socialist construction programmes (and the Germans have condemned as simple Keyesianism). But consider, the only two programmes showing any sign of working so far are the UK under Gordon Brown (at last showing SOME socialist principles in some places) and the USA - under what too many Americans call Barak Obama's socialism.

Also explain how you are going to create a National Health Service without black doctors and nurses, a nationalised rail service without the thousands of West Indians who came here when the UK was desperate for their labour, a functioning economic environment when many facilities depend on immigrant workers. Where will you buy a tin of Tennants and 10 cheap cigarettes after 9 pm when there are no Asian run corner shops? Have you been to a Post Office lately? Who served you? You cannot expect all these contributors to the wellbeing of the country to stay and work here without a level laying field and an equal opportunity of success.

What are you going to do about farming? The fields are still here (apart from the ones covered in new houses). Who lives in the houses? You do. Who buys cheap imported food? You do. Who works in the fields for the food we do grow here? I somehow don't believe that's you. Everyone picking the crops near my home appears Eastern European.

What are you going to do about building? THe builder about to start work on my house is Hungarian. Why? Because he came consistently well recommended, without a single report of the ripoffs from ENglish builders (the ones who made Esther Rantzen rich). Have you watched the TV programmes about workmen from hell? Who are they (mostly)?

Who were the banks and bankers who were fooled out of their money (our money)? Why, mostly English and Scottish companies, run by the English and Scottish, and regulated by the English and Scottish. How are you going to do that differently?

Who dismantled exchange control, so that foreign speculators could bankrupt our banks? Why, the only Englishwoman you admire, Margaret Thatcher. The same person who laid waste to our industries and the jobs of our workers for doctrinaire capitalist reasons.

Education: come on, what are you going to do? Remember I have recently been teaching in two universities, one where hardly any of my students are white, and one where almost all are. I also not long ago taught in a college of further education (I hope you know the difference) - and the managers who reneged on my entry deal were white and the idle and talkative students who made teaching there unsatisfying were the white ones.

Law and Order: You do remember the corruption of the old Sweeney don't you? Who ran it? White men like you. Name our most famous criminal gangs? The Krays and the Richardson Family. White men like you. I have a friend who until recently rented his used car lot from Charlie Richardson. Don't tell me I don't know.

I suppose you still believe that Mussolini made the Italian trains run on time.

Sometimes I despair about evolution, I really do.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 02:30 PM

oh and Ellie - members of the folk world - i.e. those of us not hiding behind anonymity probably each have more interest and knowledge of history in their little fingers than the whole of the BNP.

A large part of folk song reflects the social history - and folk song played a major part in the civil rights movement.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 02:23 PM

You will go some way to beginning to look respectable when.

(1) You voluntary send a dossier to the Crown Prosecution Service of all illegal activities (including incitement and conspiracy) by your members not just publically, but also in private meetings

(2) You voluntary appear as witness for the prosecution for all the above.

(3) The BNP denounces combat 18 and all BNP members who have had any contact with them.

(4) That you openly admit the details of all BNP canditdates with criminal convictions related to incitement and violence in your election material.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 02:14 PM

ellie to whom are you talking to?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Ellie
Date: 23 May 09 - 02:07 PM

Oh you poor soul! The Bloated Broadcasting Company ! Is that the best you can do ? I think the whole world and their dogs now know all about them ! I suggest you read up on your history, that is if you know any. I think that you are probably a child of the lib/lab/con who wasn't taught history but have been brain washed with Marxism. Never mind it's not too late. You could always do an Open University degree and catch up !


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 01:51 PM

So you repatrition policy (of which compulsory has not been ruled out by your leader) will only apply to non-BNP members?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Jeri
Date: 23 May 09 - 01:51 PM

I personally ! think they sound ! over ! excited.

I don't know why I keep reading this, but it makes me wonder if now in the UK feels anything like Germany when the Nazis were on the rise. They looked good to an awful lot of people despite what they were beneath the righteousness.

As for the name calling and other stuff, what do you think if you're on the street and someone comes up to another person and slaps her? You immediately want to defend the innocent person. You get the same thing when you attack these manipulative bastards people here. I agree, BTW, but you'll just make them into low-rent martyrs.

The US elected Bush and look how he turned out. He wasn't nearly as bad as the BNP sounds. Remember, anything that can go wrong, will.

Here are some nice videos I found.

I'd like it if any thread about the BNP would be open to members and regular guests only. These opportunistic nasties find us via Google or other chat room/forum and he can just come in here and pile on.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,beowulf
Date: 23 May 09 - 01:42 PM

Totally agree with the last two comments. Most of the others are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think this country will be the same in 30/40 years time. Thankfully I probably won't be around, but my grandchildren will and they won't be thanking me if I don't make a stand now. I have watched my country deteriorate over the last 50 years and I'm glad my old dad's not alive, he would be going frantic, he gave up 6 years of life for you cretins.
Judging by your comments you probably live far away from an inner city, so keep having a pint in your sleepy vllage local while it still stands.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Ellie
Date: 23 May 09 - 01:27 PM

The Nazis and the Fascists are the lib/lab/con who are trying to create a new EUSSR. No thanks - I don't want that. I just want my country back the way it used to be. I don't want to live in a New World Order of Communism ! I'll be voting BNP come hell or high water. You can make what stupid inane comment you like. I will not be changing my mind. I've had enough of all the sleaze parties. They've had fifty years of doing exactly what they want. I was never asked if I wanted to live in a multiculti country ! We were doing just fine as we were until the traitor Edward Heath sold us out to Europe for the price of a boat ! The then governmebt knew that the Brits would never sign away their sovereignty, so they made up a pack of lies called the Common Market and bought in their Marxism under cover ! If you're happy with the way thimgs are and you want to live in a multiculti Marxist Hellhole then keep voting for them. I think for myself !


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 01:10 PM

Just like it was for millions of Europeans under the Nazis.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Ellie
Date: 23 May 09 - 01:06 PM

Every party uses models even the liebour party when they film their elections is all done using fake people and fake scenery ! Nothing wrong or unusual about that ! As for the BNP, roll on the day when they are in power. Our country will be a far better place for them !


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:52 PM

I believe the reason for having three Jack Russels is: -

one on one foot

one on the other

and the other somewhat higher and in between...


I also think that "Burning Bridges" was intended to imply a threat to me. Phone first chaps. I'll have the chain saw running.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:36 PM

Be careful, you don't want you jack russels to catch rabies....


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:29 PM

o thought this was suppossed to be a discussion not an all out war.oh shit, i am not equipped properly. as for your' jack russels they wouldn't get too far against steel toe caps!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:12 PM

I have no intentions of going anywhere, Lox, I do love a good fight, and so do my dogs (three fiesty Jack Russells who have a;ready had a "BNP experience")


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 23 May 09 - 11:51 AM

Rifleman,

Keep your passport in your drawer and don't buy your ticket just yet.

They aren't going to get into government.

They will be looking to disrupt our society come june the 4th and to stir up discord and hatred.

We won't let them.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 23 May 09 - 11:22 AM

"Yes Lox I am a BNP voter"

The sad sod keeps asking why why? Jesus is he(?) so thick???

" believe the BNP might target other sites though"

and that's exactly what the like of GUEST,Scopes and Burning Bridges are doing here.

The way forward, you say? Then just maybe I need to make sure my travel documents are in order.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 May 09 - 10:44 AM

Re. reports that the "construction workers" in the BNP pamphlet are actually American models, and the Spitfire was being flown by a Polish Air Force pilot. It was reported on the news this morning that the "NHS doctor" is likewise an American male model. Plus, the "aged couple" are actually Italians. That only leaves the mother and baby and the soldier in full dress uniform. What nationalities will they turn out to be I wonder?

Sounds like these jokers have imbibed that maxim of Joseph Goebells, the one about telling a lie s often enough to make people believe it.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 09:18 AM

are = our


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:56 AM

Should we be exporting are garbage?   What have the Russian people ever done to us? - apart from Chelsea :)


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: alanabit
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:47 AM

I have met many first generation UK citizens, who embody all the values, which I like to think of as British: Honesty, hard work, kindness and humility.
I have met many people, who have UK citizenship by an accident of birth, whom I would prefer not to associate with as fellow citizens: racists, bigots and foul mouthed louts on the rampage through other peoples' cities, as they defile and disgrace our flag.
With the BNP's enthusiasm for expatriation, why can we not deport those in the second group to a country in which theír Fascist thuggery would currently find resonance - like Russia perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:35 AM

Azizi,

I agree that it is very important not to allow minor semantic differences to blow up into personal issues.

I also agree that it is important to understand someones reasons and history before commenting too hastily.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:25 AM

Lox,

I would stay away from sabotaging ANY site. You are in the wrong period and may get caught.

I would also see no point in saying going over to a BNP or whoever site to argue my case.

I believe the BNP might target other sites though, eg. I believe English folk music is of interest at the moment and Mudcat is the biggest Internet site where this is discussed. The paranoid in me would be very surprised if it wasn't known about with people able to put in a good word for them when opportunity arose long before this thread started.... but that is the paranoid in me.

In that sense though, I suppose one could ask oneself what other interests they genuienly do have and try to have a presence willing to speak out even if it's only say on a gardening forum where someone finds the BNP the best option. I don#k know... never though about this before.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:21 AM

I am not thinking of BNP originated sites, but other sites like this one that covers subject we, and other people hold dear, and possible other well regulated sites that are set up for non-partizan political debate.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:12 AM

I don't know SPB,

but something I would say is that it could be worth exercising caution.

I am not a computer techie, but it could be that sabotaging a bnp chat forum could make you vulnerable to reprisals.

Remember that evry post you make comes from a specific IP address and while on sites like this one that information is held in careful confidence, you might not be able to guarantee the same sort of assurances from a BNP site.

We'd need to ask a techies advice.

Joe?

What could go wrong if someone in your position on a different website misused the data available to them?

Is it something that could be done easily?

How would a contributor to such a forum go about protecting themselves?


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Azizi
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:05 AM

I imagine that BNP members are happy to see those of us who are against them spending some of our energy arguing among ourselves.

There are many ways to show ones' distaste for and opposition to this heinous political party. IMO, making reasoned points and sharing text and video documentation are important, and it's also important to forcefully and vehemently express one's views about this group and its members. If all of the comments on this thread were reasoned and lacking emotional expression, I for one would wonder if the posters really felt strongly about how terrible that organization is.

Living as I do in the United States, I first learned about the BNP from reading Mudcat threads. I would remind posters to this thread that-in many ways all the Mudcat threads about the BNP are a continuation of the same thread. While this is the first time that I have posted to a BNP thread, this isn't the first time that many Mudcatters such as Bruce have posted to threads about . It seems to me that rather than labeling his postings on this subject "as repeat[ing] the same shallow profanities over and over again in a mind numbing mantra of self important barking", it would be better to become acquainted with his entire posting history about the BNP.

Furthermore, let me also say that if I ever availed myself of opportunities to address the heinous American hate groups such as the KKK, the White Aryan Nation, and the skin heads, I would wish that I knew far more profanity than I do. IMO, cursing at them would be good for my soul and also would call some folks' attention to the fact that I feel passionately about my hatred and my opposition to these groups and all that they stand for.

That said, I very much hope that our energy on these Mudcat threads is directed against the BNP and other hate groups and not against any of us who are against such groups even if we may disagree with how that opposition is expressed.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 08:01 AM

Not just this forums, but other forums where BNP may be soreading their lies and deceit to win over hearts and minds of votors. If anyone knows of any other fora/forums where similar debate is taking place, please let me know. if it is against mudcat policy to post clickies to these then please email me


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 23 May 09 - 07:56 AM

In the meantime,

Engaging a BNP supporter online in a chat forum may not affect their opinion, but anyone reading the thread will be able to read through the debate and if they are undecided they will be swayed by the more persuasive argument.

Don't forget that there are many people who read these threads without posting, some of whom are just passing through and not even regular mudcat lurkers.

Anyone reading through the above thread would see that the BNP has been thoroughly discredited and the BNP supporter has been able to provide no defence of his position.

In that regard, the above thread is serving an extremely useful and effective purpose.

Those posts which contain little substance will be given little if any attention and the more substantive and patiently explained posts will have the most influence.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 May 09 - 07:47 AM

I have had face to face experiences with the BNP and had a drink in a BNP pub

I have no matching experience but, personally, I would not simply dismiss the BNP as a group of thugs. I think the ability to wear a (to some) more appealing face exists and is more worrying.

If I lost a friend to the BNP, it would be difficult to know what to do about it,

I don't know what I would do if a friend or family was involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 23 May 09 - 07:43 AM

On an open forum like this then we show as much truth as the time between now and the June elections allows.


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: billybob
Date: 23 May 09 - 07:38 AM

I am amazed! The BNP have set up a stall in Connaught Avenue Frinton on Sea, you must have heard of us, no pub, no fish and chips and save the famous gates!
The frightening thing is they have a huge crowd round them of white haired oldies who are not telling them to leave but seem to be persuaded by what they are saying!
Help!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 23 May 09 - 07:37 AM

here here lox. maybe we are giving these idiots too much of our time!


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