BS: BNP: What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 23 May 09 - 07:21 AM

Jon,

You are right to point out that allowing yourself to be provoked by BNP goading only threatens to undermine any claims you might have to some kind of moral authority.

The last thing that any of us needs is to open ourselves up to accusations of thuggery and boorishness from fascists, whose laughter, as they watch us froth at the mouth in righteous indignation, rings from valley to hill.

I have had face to face experiences with the BNP and had a drink in a BNP pub and I can tell you from my experience that one of the main differences between BNP members and the rest of us is that they are unable to engage their brains in a process of critical thought without losing their temper and issuing threats and abuse.

If I lost a friend to the BNP, it would be difficult to know what to do about it, but I think I would let them go until I saw them become a menace to innocent bystanders, at which point I would confront them.

Though I wwould probably warn them first so they knew exactly where they stood.

I look forward to reading more posts from you as I am quite sure you will make varied and interesting contributions and will not simply repeat the same shallow profanities over and over again in a mind numbing mantra of self important barking.

I am also confident that you will not abuse innocent bystanders for offering friendly advice.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 23 May 09 - 06:06 AM

Reposting with name but leaving my disagreement with Peace out. It's not worth it.
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Anyway, enough of this and back to the subtopic of how to deal with the BNP here. It's easy at home. If they send leaflets, they go in the bin. If they knocked on the door, they would be asked to go away. With something like the European elections, I will vote "anything but the BNP", etc. But what do you do on an open forum where some will be trying to discuss?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:51 AM

This has degenerated into a contest to see how long the thread can be kept alive by one guest using multiple names to give the impression that the BNP actually have a massive support base.

The truth or otherwise of that is the lack of parliamentary seats.

My suggestion for a BNP election slogan,..........Charmless, Hopeless, and Witless! VOTE FOR...."THUGS 'R US"!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Cats
Date: 23 May 09 - 05:20 AM

For those of you who do not want to go to the 'kids social website.'

The BNP in their own words
"Honestly now, would you prefer your kid growing up in Oldham and Burnley or 1930s Germany? It would be better for your child to grow up there." Mark Collett, leader of the Young BNP on Channel 4

"Meanwhile, the indigenous side in the low-to-medium level civil war brewing in this country is getting its training… It's all going to get very messy."Nick Griffin's blog on BNP website

"Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal… [It] is like suggesting forcefeeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence." Then BNP London organiser and GLA candidate, Nick Eriksen

AIDS is "a friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it." Mark Collett, leader of the Young BNP on Channel 4

So, Burning Bridges, a bunch of great chaps?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Burning Bridges
Date: 23 May 09 - 04:39 AM

So much fear of the BNP. Looks as if you guys know the party will take a few seats next month. Stop spreading lies about them, they are a great bunch od chaps. As for making referances to youtube, is that not a type of kids social website like bebo ? Do you enjoy flicking thought these pages, I bet you do.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 09 - 02:54 AM

I sometimes wonder if neanderthals were all that bad.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:22 AM

"Not at all Peace. You been waiting for support to put that up?"

No, Pip, it was simply my first time back to the thread since you posted your remark. Now, kindly gfy.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 May 09 - 10:24 PM

They don't believe that at all, they want others to believe that so that they came rise to power in a divisive society.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 09:21 PM

wouldn't that solve all our problems with them coz it would knock the wind out of their sails?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 09:13 PM

Ah but if they were any cleverer they wouldn't believe that problems like the recession, unemloyment, crime, homelessness etc etc etc are caused by foreigners and they wouldn't be fooled into thinking that kicking them out solves anything.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 09:00 PM

isn't it a good job that they can't develop, almost everyone can see them for what they truely are. if they were any cleverer then they would be able to blend into society better and we would not be having this discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:34 PM

I am reminded of the scene in "to kill a mockingbird" in which Scout recognizes the members of the lynch mob by name, thus depriving them of their anonymity and undermining their united mob mentality resolve.

A BNP rep can be a BNP robot if allowed to be, but he can be exposed as a human being in front of his peers and in the spotlight of his own honesty.

Racist hatred hinges on denial and is propped up by bloody minded determination, unity and support.

The one thing that makes Fascists most dangerous - they never squabble amongst themselves.

Though I hasten to add that the same inability to discuss debate and therefore develop ideas is also their weakpoint and they are unable to evolve politically as a result, despite the best efforts of Nick Griffin.

Which is why they are generally such a bunch of neanderthals.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:19 PM

I agree, though I would also recognize that giving up on ones wayward family member would be equally traumatic and difficult to contemplate.

At least if you are confronting them you can keep an eye on them and know how safe they are.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Azizi
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:11 PM

Lox, I agree.

Yet doing either of these is easier said than done as both situations would be emotionally difficult for that person's friends/family.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 08:05 PM

Azizi,

If the friend in question were just an ordinary citizen with the samee political clout as the rest of us, who happened to hold those views and continued to hold them in the face of the very clear reasons given against those views, then I would naturally begin to drift away from them and have difficulty dealing with them.

In this specific case, they have chosen to stand for public office on a BNP platform, in which case they should be confronted until they stop doing so.

My thinking is that the person who is standing will find it much harder to be a hitler pastiche with friends and family in the audience.

It would be harder for them to deny their conscience in such a context.

It would also make it difficult for the other BNP members at such a rally to turn violent or kick the dissenters out, since to do so would be to tar their candidate with that brush in the eyes of his/her own family and friends.

It would be a big spanner in the works for both the BNP and the wayward friend.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 May 09 - 07:16 PM

...but if I had to choose between MPs riding the gravy train, and MPs promoting race hatred, ...

Of course with BNP candidates becoming MPs there'd be no need to make that choice, because you'd have both those alternatives rolled into one.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:52 PM

Not at all Peace. You been waiting for support to put that up?

Anyway, Peace. I dislike the BNP. I just think facing them with facts like the Youtube clip and other information is rather more constructive than coming onto threads to call them assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:51 PM

As a PS, neither have I ever told anyone who to vote for. However, I would strongly suggest NO ONE vote for the British Nazi Party. Howzat, Scopes?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:43 PM

'Peace, If I was one of the "BNP supporters/converts" that come here, rather than being put off by your insults, I might find you are helping me.'

Then this will be right up your alley, Guest Jon

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:17 PM

to azizi you will always be welcome here no matter what small minded pricks think. did you all know that bnp and ukip are friends? i didn't til some nice person on another thread told me sorry but i can't remember names once i've left the thread coz my brain isn't that big.
i thought it important to tell you cox i was thinking of voting for them BUT NOT NOW. as for printing this persons name i also think that you can try and talk them out of it but when it goes public they will be in the shit and do they really want to put thier' family and friends through the muck raking, if they still go ahead then you have to cut all ties untill they are ready pulicly admit they were wrong.

okay i was ranting sorry

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:15 PM

Scopes, "MP's have stole"?

FFS, go back to school. When you can write grammatical English you stand a chance of entering political debate, but, I warn you, the ability to think helps.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Azizi
Date: 22 May 09 - 06:05 PM

As a Person of Color, I'm heartened to see so many Mudcatters indicating their disgust of the BNP and putting that disgust into action by publicly advocating against that group.

I'm also sad to think that there are members of this forum who would not respect me just because my ancestry includes some persons who were not White.

I can understand how a person could have been friends with people with whom they disagree politically. However, I agree with most of the member posters on this thread that there are some issues of disagreement which should mean the end of a friendship. When this happens to friends and family it can be very difficult and very sad.

For the record, I agree with Lox's approach for the person to call out his or her "friend" on the issues. But at some point it seems to me that there's no sense wasting one's energy trying to talk sense to people who believe in the things that BNP and other similar groups believe in.

And it will come as no surprise to folks here, that I'm much closer aligned to Bruce's no holds bar attitude toward the BNP than Joe's position that "these discussions are a chance for us to make contact with them and find out what they think and why they think it". There's more than enough documentation online about who the BNP really are and what they advocate. If Mudcatters treats them kindly, they will use this forum as a propaganda base.

But most folks here already know that.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 22 May 09 - 05:49 PM

MP's have stole our money recently, other MP's committed sex crimes and lied. Some served prison terms.

Just like senior BNP figures, in fact.
Some have convictions for kiddy-fiddling, others for violence and others for fraud. Heard about the two activists trying to smuggle under-age schoolgirls into the conference hotel, only to have the poor girls run screaming from their rooms? It makes disturbing reading
Or, Scopes, are you saying you support them because they're truly representative of the people who vote for them? ;-)

the chap on our local council has done so much for the people of the area

I think you should name him, because it's clear that the majority of BNP councillors have done fuck all since being elected. Let him bask in a little glory!

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:56 PM

I have never said don't vote.
I have never said don't vote BNP if you really support what they stand for.

What I have said, repeatedly, is if you do vote BNP, be aware of what they are really about, look at their history. Don't just look at what they are saying publically, but also how they behave privately.

The whole expenses thing is an issue, but if I had to choose between MPs riding the gravy train, and MPs promoting race hatred, I know which is the lesser of two evils for me.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:30 PM

Ok then I will just point out your error.

you said "Please live and let live"

and you said "the BNP is the way forward I feel"


The shallowest comparison of these two positions shows them to be entirely contradictory.


I'll let you debate it with yourself.


Long live your denial.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Scopes
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:27 PM

Not up for a lengthy debate with you over this subject Lox, the BNP is the way forward I feel.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:24 PM

Ok Scopes, I get what you're trying to say.

but lets look at this for a second.

You said "please live and let live".


If thats your view then the BNP ain't for you.

It is there view that Racial minorities should not be "let live"

It is there view that Gays should not be "let live"

It is their view that these minorities should not be allowed to "let live".

It is their view that these minorities should be excluded from society.


That is why the BNP must be confronted.

That is why I must confront someone who chooses the BNP.


Because I believe in "live and let live"


And I believe that this principle is so important that the BNP should never be allowed in to power, because if they get into power, they will not stop short of interfering in the lives of minorities, they will interfere in my life for the views I hold and they will require you to be true to the party mantra and to victimize friends of yours whose opinions don't fit.


Scopes. We must "live and let live" and we must do our utmost to prevent anyone from undermining that.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:15 PM

Goatfell,

Thanks for your response, I shot from the hip there and could have been a bit less hasty in my response to your earlier post.

I totally understand your problem with all this walking on eggshells.

I hate it too.

That is one of the rasons that I hold a deep personal resentment against racism as it is responsible for me having to think about who I might offend, and how my views might be perceived, especially on borderline or grey area issues.

It is the racists who are responsible for this political straight jacket, not those who are aginst it.

If it wasn't for the racists and their history of violence there would be no raw nerves to worry about.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Scopes
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:15 PM

Yes Lox I am a BNP voter, the chap on our local council has done so much for the people of the area. In saying that I am not here as so many other seem to be to tell those in the United Kingdom who they should vote for.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:09 PM

Scopes, are you saying that you are supporting the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Scopes
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:00 PM

Rifleman why be so nasty to people ? you and I will have a vote in the elections next month and neither of us are paid to promote a party.

Please live and let live.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:51 PM

the latter part of the above post has to do with what? Other than the mild tittilation of gossip-mongers and their ilk! By the way nice cut and paste job from Yahoo, sunshine *LOL*

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Scopes
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:40 PM

Please allow anyone who wishes to use their vote to do. It is their choice who they vote for.

MP's have stole our money recently, other MP's committed sex crimes and lied. Some served prison terms.

We need a general election to clear the air and tell the new MP's step out of line and you lose your job.

A cross-dressing burglar who broke into a house and filmed himself wearing a schoolgirl's underwear has been jailed indefinitely.

Gary Marie, 42, of Burnley, Lancashire, would break into unoccupied properties or spy on his female victims to indulge his sexual fantasies.

Balaclava-clad Marie was spotted by officers on a routine patrol in Padiham during the early hours of March 19 last year. He tried to escape on a bicycle down a back street but when cornered he pulled out a CS gas canister and squirted the spray in the faces of six officers.

The defendant was eventually overpowered and arrested, and was found to be wearing a woman's white thong and a black sports bra. His balaclava had been fashioned from a pair of knickers and he also carried a device for turning keys and a pair of gloves, the court heard.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:31 PM

It's quite simple really, the animals that make up the general body of the BNP recognise only one basic differentiation, colour. It matters litte what a person is, nationality wise, or where they from, if they're not white, they have no business being in the UK, according to our BNP "friends". You have to speak in simplistic terms in order for the said membership to fully comprehend, thus I stated that I am a non-white, they understand that, they now understand me as an enemy of their "cosy" "English" way of life.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:11 PM

i understand that riflemans' reasons but some people have such p.c views that i was begining to wonder about myself, no i wasn't being self centered just curios about your' veiws on mentioning someones colour no matter what the reason.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 22 May 09 - 12:00 PM

"Riflemans reasons on the other hand for pointing out that he is non white are valid as the party he is taking issue with are the BNP and they discriminate against non-whites, so falling into that category he clearly felt he should respond and identify himself as being an irreconcilable BNP opponent on that basis."

Thank you lox, at least some people haven't fallen asleep at the back of the class. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 22 May 09 - 11:45 AM

Eh?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: goatfell
Date: 22 May 09 - 11:22 AM

yes you are, I just wish people were more straight with their words instead of pussyfooting around, people that do pussyfoot around I can't trust because they are not honest. I try and honest.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 May 09 - 05:48 AM

The trouble is the rumour monger would claim that the non closure was due to their intervention

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 22 May 09 - 05:31 AM

Jeddy, of course not.

I should have used Azizi's term - "valueless descriptor"

My ideal society is one where skin colour is used as a valueless descriptor and for no other purpose - "John is brown" and "Fred is white" being mere observations and helpful ways of describing obvious physical charateristics.

My point was that on this thread there is no reason why anyone need to know what colour rifleman is.

Riflemans reasons on the other hand for pointing out that he is non white are valid as the party he is taking issue with are the BNP and they discriminate against non-whites, so falling into that category he clearly felt he should respond and identify himself as being an irreconcilable BNP opponent on that basis.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 22 May 09 - 05:28 AM

"James Lloyd (Sandwell).....................recently put out BNP leaflets claiming a local library building was going to become a mosque."

Strangely enough the same rumour has been spreading about one of the libraries in Birkenhead, Merseyside. The rumour has been fuelled because the local council is trying to introduce a massive programme of closing libraries, community centres and many other leisure facilities.

The unfortunate thing for the rumour mongers though is that Birkenhead library isn't on the immediate closure list.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 22 May 09 - 04:46 AM

To return to the OP :

Your politics and mine, Mike aka Cllr, are diametrically opposed, but I salute your courage.

I haven't that many friends that I can afford to lose one, but lose one I would and must, if he or she supported the crypto-Nazi BNP.

You and I stand shoulder to shoulder on this.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: The Barden of England
Date: 22 May 09 - 03:14 AM

I'm going to vote alright, but it sure as HELL won't be for the BNP. I'm the grandson of a Fairground Traveller, and proud of my heritage. So what's your heritage GUEST - Daily Mail Reader ?

John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 22 May 09 - 02:38 AM

Peace, If I was one of the "BNP supporters/converts" that come here, rather than being put off by your insults, I might find you are helping me. I could also argue that I stay as a guest because of the treatment I've seen dished out here.

To the casual reader who judges on whether wording is nice or nasty and thinks/looks no further, I become the victim and the nice guy.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Gervase
Date: 22 May 09 - 02:29 AM

There's nothing British about the BNP

It's interesting that those areas which did elect BNP councillors have found that their 'upstanding members' are actually pretty limp, and that the BNP has a record of failing to participate in local council business, of avoiding meetings and of simply failing to deliver to local people.
The BNP has some 20 local councillors across Britain. Here are the records of 12 of those 20:

Luke Smith (Burnley). Was forced to resign after he smashed a bottle into the face of a Leeds BNP organiser. Despite claiming to be the party of law and order, the BNP failed to call in the police and press charges. Smith had only recently been convicted of football violence when he was elected as a BNP candidate. He has had several more recent convictions and was sentenced to 11 months imprisonment after being caught fighting in Manchester.

Brian Turner (Burnley). Was convicted of attacking his wife and a police officer whilst a councillor yet the BNP refused to disown him. In fact they even defended him by issuing a statement saying: "we are not in the business of persecuting our members because the state considers someone guilty."

Dan Kelley (Barking & Dagenham). Resigned from the council only eight months after being elected after admitting that he was completely out of his depth. "There's meetings that go right over my head and there's little point in me being there," he told the local paper even before he resigned.

Richard Mulhall (Calderdale). Is currently facing charges on housing benefit fraud. Despite this the BNP has refused to disown him or demand his resignation if he is found guilty.

Maureen Stowe (Burnley). Left the BNP after admitting that they deliberately told lies to get elected. On leaving the BNP she said: "This is the best thing I could have done. I've got a chance to do a lot of good. Now I think we can pull all the people of Burnley together to improve things for everybody. I keep asking myself how could I have been so stupid as to have anything to do with them."

Robin Evans (Blackburn). Left the BNP after complaining about the drug dealers and football hooligans who dominated his local BNP branch. He also criticised the Burnley BNP councillors as useless.

David Watkins (Sandwell). Dubbed 'possibly the worst councillor in Sandwell,' Watkins attended just 10 out of 63 meetings. Gave up after just one year.

Steve Batkin (Stoke-on-Trent). Steve Batkin attended none of a possible thirty committee meetings in the nine months to March 2005. Batkin has only spoken twice in his first two years as a councillor and one of those was to ask what "abstain" meant. Was once told to stop talking to the media after he questioned key facts relating to the Holocaust, including saying that Jewish people refused to debate the subject because they would be exposed as liars.

Angela Clarke (Bradford). Resigned from the council less than half-way through her term after her performance was criticised by fellow BNP members.

Terry Farr (Epping). Was suspended by the Standards Board after writing abusive letters. The hearing also said that it was fair political comment for a rival candidate to call the BNP Nazi.

Ramon Johns (Broxbourne). Was elected on the promise to campaign for free bus passes for all the elderly but then immediately voted against such a plan once elected.

James Lloyd (Sandwell). Campaigned on a ticket to make parents responsible for the crimes of their children. What he failed to tell voters was that his own son was one of the areas worst offenders. Also recently put out BNP leaflets claiming a local library building was going to become a mosque. When it was proved that this was a lie he did not apologise but simply claimed that somebody had obviously made up quotes from him.

Adrian Marsden (Calderdale). The absent councillor. In the six months to March 2006, Marsden has attended just three council meetings and his work record for his ward constituents has been even worse. However, he managed to find the time and strength to act as a bodyguard to BNP leader Nick Griffin during the recent court case in Leeds. But then again, what can you expect from a man with several convictions and a long history with the violent neo-nazi group Combat 18.

Geoffrey Wallace (Calderdale). Wallace jumped ship from the Tories when he thought he could not win a council seat under the blue flag but refused to call a by-election. He too stood on a ticket to help local people but his record proves he has done nothing of the kind. His recent performance in dealing with casework from local residents is truly shocking and clearly demonstrates his inability to work for local people. In the four months to February 2006 he did only 14.5 hours casework, and all but three were in the last few weeks.

That record alone should make anyone - in Chippenham or anywhere - think twice about voting BNP. And if you have to think twice...

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 09 - 12:41 AM

Ever notice that almost ALL the posts from BNP supporters are as Guests?

Yes, indeed, they are proud of their affiliation, aren't they?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And since Joe suggested to me in a rather sarcastic manner that I don't call people from the BNP assholes or mother fuckers, then may I humbly say I think they were 'begat on duchesses by head waiters'?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Cats
Date: 22 May 09 - 12:36 AM

I wasn't finger pointing or making comments for political purposes. The whole point was to highlight that this year BNP have said they are targetting the folk world and women and that this is exactly what has happened. Also that I thought it was sad that, as a friend, because she is standing for BNP in a public election and because I am on their hit list, the BNP say she has to out me and challenge me at every opportunity so it would make things difficult for both of us and what happens when your political party says you must openly stand out against your friends. Can I still be friends with her? The question is will the BNP let her be friends with me.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:26 PM

Nobody is suggesting that BNP candidates names are confidential.

Cllr chose not to identify the person here. He wished to disguss his feelings on his situation, not disguss the person concerned. Others chose to ignore that for their own political purposes. It turned the digussion from a point of principle to finger pointing.

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: jeddy
Date: 21 May 09 - 06:13 PM

the postmen and women wouldn't deliver the bnp leaflets round here, hooray for them, the poor little darlings had to do it all themselves. my only wish was that i'd known what shit was coming through my letterbox, so i could have chucked it back at them.

as for the colour of someones' skin i don't care on a personal level, but if i was ever looking for someone i would mention thier skin colour if it made the one i was looking for stand out.
DOES THAT MAKE ME A RACIST?

Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 May 09 - 05:55 PM

Material that is in the public domain cannot be confidential. Go and look up the identitites of BNP candidates.