Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'

Subject: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 May 09 - 01:14 PM

Following on from Kate's thread, here..in case people missed it, is Eliza's documentary about her music. Below is Part 1, all other parts are on the right hand side:


Eliza's Music - Part 1 - Youtube

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 31 May 09 - 01:51 PM

And your point is????

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:01 PM

There doesn't have to *be* a point, actually.

It's just here for people to watch, that's all. Many people enjoyed Kate's documentary in the same series (see other thread), so I thought I'd put Eliza's on too.

I don't put it on here for those who know about it, I put it here for those who don't. There are many who read Mudcat who never post here, so who knows, some of them may enjoy Eliza's programme.

I certainly hope so.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Surreysinger
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:12 PM

Actually Lizzie - this programme, and the Youtube excerpts were fully flagged on Mudcat in April 2008 (over a year ago) when the programme and there series went out. See previous thread here

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:12 PM

If anyone wants to watch video footage of any old TV programme it is unlikely they will have any difficulty in googling for it. My feeling upon original transmission was that the one on Eliza Carthy was one of the better films in a patchy series.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:26 PM

Ah yes, Irene, there was another thread, but I'd never have found that..and besides, I've only just found Eliza's prgramme on Youtube..No sooner the thought than the deed, as they say.

On that other thread, strangely, no-one put any links to it. I have though.

Really pleased you're all enjoying it. :0)

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:35 PM

I think most of us enjoyed it when it was originally broadcast last year.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 31 May 09 - 02:38 PM

Lizzie,
Am really looking forward to you headlining the Ham at this years Sidmouth.
What instrument will you be playing?

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:43 PM

Lizzie, I see all the wankers have found this thread - didn't take them long did it!

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 31 May 09 - 03:45 PM

Hey Bonzo...are you taking Lizzie off to Argentina for the summer?
Good!

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Sean Mc
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:10 PM

As far as I am concerned she is everything that is wrong with the English folk scene today. Ashamed to be a folk artist she pretends to be a pop star - I avoid her at every chance. English folk music is reviled by the masses - she does nothing to help bring it to the younger generation even though she thinks pink her will do so. She has a bloody awful voice anyway !!

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:16 PM

Well I must've missed the last one on this.

Thanks Lizzie, I enjoyed this & found it very appetizing.
I don't really care much for Kate R, so I never bothered to even open that thread, after watching tis I think I'll go back & chech that one out too.

I hope we get to cross paths while I'm in the UK on a visit this summer

Barry

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:18 PM

I suspect she is just trying to pay her mortgage.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:21 PM

"Ashamed to be a folk artist she pretends to be a pop star"

Erm, I'm not quite sure how Eliza pretends to be a pop star, nor is ashamed to be a folk artist...

Maybe when she's playing the fiddle for Goathland Plough Stots or Bampton morris? When giving her time for free in concerts to benefit the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library? When making rcords full of well-researched traditional songs both as a solo artist and with her family? By becoming the vice president of EFDSS?

Yes, I can see what you mean - she is definitely showing signs of being ashamed of the tradition.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:25 PM

Yes Ruth.
Eliza obviously hates the traditional music of England with a passion!
She even recorded a CD called Anglicana just to demonstrate her hatred for this sceptered Isle.
Bet she's voting BNP at the Euro elections!

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Folknacious
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:33 PM

I'm amazed by the way you lot continually take the bait laid down by trolls . . . and UncleBoko (sorry, Bonzo3Legs here) and what's 'er name?

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Gervase
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:35 PM

As far as I am concerned she is everything that is wrong with the English folk scene today. Ashamed to be a folk artist she pretends to be a pop star - I avoid her at every chance. English folk music is reviled by the masses - she does nothing to help bring it to the younger generation even though she thinks pink her will do so. She has a bloody awful voice anyway !!
You been drinking diesel? Certainly something's made you spout absolute bollocks. So completely bloody wrong on every count.
If EC is what's 'wrong' with the folk scene, I'd hate to see your version of a 'right' scene. A bunch of f*lkies in a parody competition, perhaps?

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:38 PM

Lizzie, thanks for the link. I always enjoy Eliza Carthy, seen her at Whitby Pavilion and The Mallyan Spout Hotel in Goathland.

PS: Trekked down to the Mallyan Spout waterfall and felt as though I should have a medal once I climbed back up! lol

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 May 09 - 04:53 PM

Lizzie, I went back & checked out both of Kate's "Music" though I still don't care for any more than before but I found, espically 'part' one very interesting. Thanks

As for Eliza, I've have a few chances to see & hear her live when she's been to the States in various combinations & I've seen & heard the Watersons/Carthy in various combos over the past 30 or so yrs to. Love them all no matte what form or shape they come in but Eliza IMHO has inherited the best of both sides of her family. She's got the love in her blood, the passion & energy, a voice that as she matures will if she hasn't already surpass her mother's & aunt's & the musical skills of her father. Some say she's was born into the spotlight, bull. She just had real good breeding & has done her utmost to step up to the plate.
Last time I saw her Norma couldn't be there but she was with Martin & "the bright kid on the box". Now I'm a bit gimpy & wasn't in the best health & I do get to see & hear a fair amount of talent but she had my socks rolling up & down like window blinds & my legs floping 'round like they were made of rubber.

What I haven't seen or heard is the "Watergirls", hopefully someday I'll get the treat.

Barry

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 31 May 09 - 07:03 PM

"I'm amazed by the way you lot continually take the bait laid down by trolls . . . and UncleBoko (sorry, Bonzo3Legs here) and what's 'er name?"


Yeesh, HOW does starting this thread make me a troll? (I'd rather be called a Trollop by the way, so much more feminine) ;0)

ALL I did was put this thread on here for folks who've NOT seen this documentary, in case they wanted to.

Glad you liked it eanjay and Barry. :0)

One of my favourites because of the enthusiasm she puts into it, and the audience singing along, in a slightly wonky way.. :0) With Tim van Eyken on squeezythingummyjig, unless I'm mistaken, which of course, I usually am.. ;0)

Eliza singing 'Country Life'

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Folknacious
Date: 31 May 09 - 07:18 PM

Yeesh, HOW does starting this thread make me a troll?

Nobody called you a troll (yet, in this thread). I was referring to the comment by "Sean Mc"

Paranoia strikes deep . . .

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 31 May 09 - 07:32 PM

LOOK!!!! Lizzie posted some info, which I actually HAD missed ( depite being quite competent on Google) cos you have to be aware that there IS something you want to search for before you actually bother to search. Isn't that bloody obvious. From me and others who weren't aware, thanks Lizzie, for those of you who already knew, why have you responded at all,, this clearly wasn't for you.
    I quite often get a feeling of ennui type deja vu when I read Lizzies more hyperactive posts, but nothing like the outrage I feel when some otherwise intelligent people scramble over each other to be the first to put her down. And as for those who want to take cheap shots at Liza McVCarthy, just Troll off somewhere else.. W* n*ers.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: sharyn
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 01:14 AM

Thanks, Lizzie:

The only way I find these things is when someone like you posts a useful link (and then I go on fascinating side journeys listening to other things that pop up. Not an ace Google searcher, I often waste my time trying to find things.

Sharyn

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 01:59 AM

Thanks for the link, Lizzie. I can't figure out why all those people seemed to think there was something wrong with your posting it. Now, if you people have something to say about Eliza Carthy and the program cited in the link, go ahead and talk about it. If you don't want to talk about Eliza Carthy, don't bother posting here. Let's not turn this into yet another squabble.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Woody
Date: 01 Jun 09 - 05:46 AM

Thanks for the link - I didn't know Eliza had done one of these, though I saw Kate R's one when it was on TV.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Becks
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 05:44 AM

Thanks Lizzie for the link I would never have seen it otherwise.

I think it's really refreshing to see someone so involved in the tradition to push the boundries. She is an inspiration to people like me starting out in the folk world.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 06:00 AM

A fabulous video:

Eliza and Salsa Celtica at Cambridge 2006


And take a listen to her here, singing 'The Grey Gallito'

Salsa Celtica Myspace


Pretty darn cool, huh? :0)

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Woody
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 07:10 AM

I think Eliza's excellent. Hearing Kate R drew me towards folk, hearing Eliza kept me listening. I don't like absolutely everything she does when she pushes the boundaries but I think it important that Eliza & others do it.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 06:14 AM

have you got an attitude problem Ralphie dont be so aggressive in your replies or maybe you should just go elsewhere

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 06:23 AM

Own up to your name , Guest, before feeding trolls.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 06:33 AM

Come, come, the GUEST didn't actually say s/he was taking madlizziecornish to dinner, or throwing her a bagful of stale bread to share with the other squealing creatures on Sidmouth sea front.

Thing is, MLC has been told precisely where where to go and to cease and desist by an impressive string of eminent musicians in the past few days. These range from Eliza Carthy and Ralph Jordan themselves, through Phil Beer, Simon Care and Brian Peters.

So why, exactly do you think she starts these fatuous threads? Come on, it's not hard . . .

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: glueman
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 06:56 AM

"As far as I am concerned she is everything that is wrong with the English folk scene today."

Utterly wrong but you're far from the only person who believes it. She was on top of her game when I saw her recently. No tedious introductions, jokes that were genuinely funny and a great performer. Real folk meets the real world, not a 'misery seeks company' act to four friends in a crap pub.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 10:28 AM

Errm, Dianne, anonymous guest was feeding ralphietroll, not lizzietroll.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 11:12 AM

Hmm, Gg, wot no "critical theory"?

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 12:26 PM

"Lizzie,
Am really looking forward to you headlining the Ham at this years Sidmouth.
What instrument will you be playing?"

" I see all the wankers have found this thread - didn't take them long did it!"

everyone seems to have you sussed, eh Ralphie boy *LOL*

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: glueman
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 12:30 PM

"Hmm, Gg, wot no "critical theory"?"

No just fandom like everyone else, no top table, no time-served, no guru racket, no pecking order, just one opinion against another. Like, dislike without the whiff of bullshyte and 'history'.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 12:36 PM

"have you got an attitude problem Ralphie dont be so aggressive in your replies or maybe you should just go elsewhere"

Anytime Ralphie gets the chance to attack Lizzie Cornish he does, the evidence is all over the net..here, the BBC boards, the sources are endless. Problem is, it's getting VERY boring and VERY yesterday.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:05 PM

He may have been one of the first musicians to bite back at the sickening trivialisation, sycophantic fawning and unending drivel from MLC. But as I commented @ 06.33, the overwhelming tide of pissed-offness from such luminaries as Eliza Carthy, Phil Beer, Simon Care and Brian Peters (I'm sure there were more) that she should shut the fuck up is surely evidence enough for any benighted MLC apologists still around (any that are real that is, most being cyber-inventions of her own concoction), that the constant undermining of the careers of artists and activists is repulsive, entirely underserved and unnecessary and has to be stopped.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:39 PM

undeserved?

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 01:41 PM

Yes, thank you RB.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 04:13 PM

"He may have been one of the first musicians to bite back at the sickening trivialisation, sycophantic fawning and unending drivel from MLC. But as I commented @ 06.33, the overwhelming tide of pissed-offness from such luminaries as Eliza Carthy, Phil Beer, Simon Care and Brian Peters (I'm sure there were more) that she should shut the fuck up is surely evidence enough for any benighted MLC apologists still around (any that are real that is, most being cyber-inventions of her own concoction), that the constant undermining of the careers of artists and activists is repulsive, entirely underserved and unnecessary and has to be stopped."



You do make me chuckle, Sweetums, you really do. I love your sense of humour, always have done. :0)

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Alex
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 04:39 PM

Diane Easby's comments abt LC above could easily be applied to herself. DE embarrasses the people she purports to support and loudly declares her "mates" every bit as much as LC does.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 04:49 PM

Any chance we could return this thread to the topic of Eliza's music now, please.

From Buxton Opera House (well worth a visit by the way, beautiful place)

Eliza and The Ratcatchers - youtube

Buxton Opera House - Photos

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 04:56 PM

As my good friend Sister Mary Conscience would say, "Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!"

And I thought folkies were supposed to be peaceable people. Petty, perhaps - not peaceable.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 04:59 PM

MLC??? Is that Mary Lapin Carpenter perhaps?

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 05:46 PM

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Rifleman - PM
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 12:36 PM

"have you got an attitude problem Ralphie dont be so aggressive in your replies or maybe you should just go elsewhere"

Anytime Ralphie gets the chance to attack Lizzie Cornish he does, the evidence is all over the net..here, the BBC boards, the sources are endless. Problem is, it's getting VERY boring and VERY yesterday
I totally agree,it is extremely tedious,do us a favour Ralph Jordan,put a sock in it.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 06:40 PM

Guest Alex is certainly not someone I "purport to support" (whatever that means) since I haven't the faintest idea who he is (other than that I recall some purple prose he wrote about Simon Ritchie once which slightly astonished me).

I made a summary of recent public remarks by a few performers that I know concerning MLC's antics, and their fervent wishes for a cessation forthwith. These included Ms Carthy herself, the subject of this thread, who is so damn angry that she swears she'll make sure the crazed squawking seagull never gets near the EFDSS.

I write about music for a living (or did). Whether a performer is a "mate" or not doesn't come into it other than that I review what I like and if someone turns in a poor performance I would usually decline to write it up or return the CD. This has caused no perceptible "embarrassment" to anyone apart from to a now-dead impresario who I criticised publicly for artistic interference.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 07:04 PM

Oh poo...Eliza luvs me really, so does Phil, and no, there's no truth to the rumour that Phil's taking to the oceans in order to escape me , chuckle..and Simon asked me to a gig once, when his band were playing down this way..and you know you luv me too, deep down..

Now hush up, Buttercup, else I'll tell them the story of your pussy.....












....cat

;0)


And now, back to Eliza....

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 07:51 PM

Dear Diane ( listen too, Lizzie). This long running Punch and Judy show is really beyond a Joke. How do you expect anything you say to be taken seriously ( and much of it should be)if you just flare up every time lizzie writes anything, and insist on insulting her (MLC, Sidmouth Seagull) at every opportunity. Lizzie, I hope you're not secretly precipitating this for some perverse 'any publicity is good publicity' reason. Anyway, to go back to the thread, thanks for posting some info I didn't have, haven't noticed anything embarrasingly sycophantic so far, and haven't heard Eliza ask people not to watch it.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 08:10 PM

No, Tugs, I'm not.   ALL I did was start a thread about Eliza, for the reasons stated above, and all hell broke loose..

?????

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Barry Finn
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 08:13 PM

Haven't heard Eliza ask for or say anything, which I'm sure she's very capable of when she wants or needs.

Barry

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 08:21 PM

Dear Joe,
Folkies, peaceable - what are you on. Cyber cat-fights, and if bullshit floated our Captains would be Admirals. As they say in my country, "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined..." It's coming from a small island that does it - but then again, where would you colonists be without us?

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 10:05 PM

no i don't. sorry. i think, after years of observation, that you're a moron.
e

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 02:56 AM

Oh well, fair enough then eliza.

Perhaps Joe would close this thread down to save you further 'embarrassment' It's rare that I write about you, for the reasons I've stated in the other thread..but please rest assured, I won't do it again.

I apologise for leading a few folks to your documentary. Very stupid and thoughtless of me, but....obviously it's due to my 'moronic' tendencies, so you'll have to excuse me and show a little pity.

Far better that your music remains for the chosen few.

I don't happen to think you're a moron...and even if I did, I'd not say so on a board, but..hey ho...such is the beauty within the English Folk World, eh?

I'll leave it to Joe as to whether he wants to close this thread or not.

Could I just ask that if anyone comes to it, they don't open the links I've put in, because that's only going to cause eliza further distress, embarrassment and goodness knows what else.

Thanks.

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 03:28 AM

Everyone duck as Lizzie's dummy comes hurtling out of the pram.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 03:32 AM

Nope, I've never had a dummy, Dave, just been followed around by more than a few, that's all.

I move on pretty quick from musician folks who feel this way. I'm blessed to have some really dear folks around me, who actually don't treat me like you lot do, Dave and who feel I'm anything but a 'moron'. They count for everything.

Sorry to disappoint you. :0)

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,GUEST,eliza c
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 04:04 AM

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 03 Jun 09 - 10:05 PM

no i don't. sorry. i think, after years of observation, that you're a moron.
e

I'm not the same "GUEST,eliza c" who posted this message. In fact, I'm not Eliza at all - I'm Mudcat member Doug Chadwick proving that anyone can say what they want as a GUEST, even with a name attached.

Don't believe all you read on Mudcat!

If it really was you, Eliza, then it's worth thinking about becoming a member so that people can't put words in your mouth.

DC

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 04:05 AM

I claim the post above.

DC

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 04:30 AM

I've seen the film. I know how this goes.

No, I claim the post above the post above.

I am eliza c

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 04:32 AM

Blimey, Doug....eliza was in drag?

Oh, I is soooo confooooosed.... :0)

Thanks for pointing that out...

..and I do agree with you, same with Phil, and others, why not become full time members of Mudcat? Heck, I could send Phil PMs then! LOL No no nooooooo, just joking, honestly...terribly wicked sense of humour, me. Gets me into *terrible* trouble at times. Apologies..

Well, if it wasn't eliza, I take back my words...and if it was, best to let them stand...but who knows which way is up any more....

I'm off to Torquay for the day..blow some cobwebs away.

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 04:33 AM

?;-)

Subject: RE: Eliza Carthy - 'My Music'
From: GUEST,Eleanor Roosevelt's Knickers
Date: 04 Jun 09 - 04:35 AM

All of my posts get modded. I only asked Lizzie if she has been diagnosed as dyslexic.

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This thread is closed. The rules say "no personal attacks. Mick and I agree that this bullying is way out of control. If you want to post at Mudcat, be civil.
-Joe Offer-