Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafemuddy

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)

Gibb Sahib 05 Jun 09 - 08:30 PM
Charley Noble 05 Jun 09 - 08:37 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 Jun 09 - 08:59 PM
Gibb Sahib 05 Jun 09 - 09:19 PM
Gibb Sahib 04 Apr 11 - 03:04 AM
MartinRyan 04 Apr 11 - 03:10 AM
Gibb Sahib 04 Apr 11 - 03:37 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:





Subject: Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 08:30 PM

"Bring 'Em Down" is a neo-chantey first popularized by A.L. Lloyd & Co. (on the A SAILOR'S GARLAND album). The DT notes, "Reportedly composed by Bert Lloyd." According to this page, the liner notes from the Young Tradition's album (on which their rendition of the song appears) state:

A.L. Lloyd says that it was brought to Liverpool from the West Indies, where a variant of it had been a stick-fight song.

I wanted to add a reference that I stumbled upon to what seems to be the same song, in a traditional context.

Jekyll's book of Jamaican traditional songs, JAMAICAN SONG AND STORY (1907) has, categorized under the heading of digging songs, "Bring dem come" (pp184-185). The melody is clearly related to "Bring 'Em Down." Lyrics are as follows:

//
A Somerset me barn
bring dem come
bring dem make me batter dem
bring dem come
me would take me picker batter dem
bring dem come
A Woburn Lawn me barn
bring dem come
I will like to see dem batter me
bring dem come
A Goatridge me barn
bring dem come
I want to see dem jostle me
bring dem come
//

Notes to the song say:

"This is a digging contest. The Somerset men challenge their neighbours..."

So it appears that Lloyd did not write the song after all -- though the stereotypical chantey verses ("around the Horn we must go" etc) may have been his addition. Notably, his "In Liverpool I was born" exactly matches the style of the opening phrase here.

For people challenged with Jamaican grammar :) "Bring dem come" basically means "bring them on" or "let them come (and show us what they've got)".


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 08:37 PM

"Stick-fight song"?

Does Lloyd mean rather a competition between teams of farm hands working with digging sticks, to determine which team can turn over the most turf?

Charley Noble


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 08:59 PM

Stick-fighting is a widespread and popular martial art. Venezuela and Brasil have specific variants; I'm sure the West Indies had their share of this art.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 05 Jun 09 - 09:19 PM

Charley,

What you said is exactly what I was thinking, too. Dunno whether The Young Tradition misread / misunderstood, or if that was Lloyd's own statement. Regardless, it ~suggests~ to me that Lloyd may have encountered this text.

Gibb


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 03:04 AM

refresh


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)
From: MartinRyan
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 03:10 AM

In Ireland, FWIW, "digging match" = fistfight.

Regards


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Origins: Bring 'Em Down (chantey)
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 03:37 AM

Bring dem come


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 17 July 10:14 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.