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Folk Against Fascism

Phil Edwards 05 Jul 09 - 06:05 AM
jeddy 05 Jul 09 - 08:42 AM
Richard Bridge 05 Jul 09 - 12:16 PM
jeddy 05 Jul 09 - 12:22 PM
jeddy 05 Jul 09 - 12:25 PM
Phil Edwards 05 Jul 09 - 01:46 PM
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jeddy 05 Jul 09 - 04:05 PM
Richard Bridge 05 Jul 09 - 06:08 PM
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Dave the Gnome 05 Jul 09 - 07:52 PM
jeddy 05 Jul 09 - 08:21 PM
Stringsinger 06 Jul 09 - 04:11 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 06 Jul 09 - 04:19 PM
jeddy 07 Jul 09 - 07:12 AM
Richard Bridge 08 Jul 09 - 03:06 AM
Royston 08 Jul 09 - 01:01 PM
Donuel 08 Jul 09 - 04:28 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 08 Jul 09 - 04:38 PM
Donuel 08 Jul 09 - 06:21 PM
Emma B 08 Jul 09 - 06:29 PM
Royston 08 Jul 09 - 07:06 PM
Royston 08 Jul 09 - 07:13 PM
Richard Bridge 10 Jul 09 - 04:05 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 10 Jul 09 - 04:14 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 10 Jul 09 - 04:17 AM
Ruth Archer 10 Jul 09 - 04:38 AM
Gervase 10 Jul 09 - 09:49 AM
Phil Edwards 10 Jul 09 - 10:29 AM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 10 Jul 09 - 11:00 AM
Rifleman (inactive) 10 Jul 09 - 11:13 AM
jeddy 10 Jul 09 - 12:11 PM
Richard Bridge 10 Jul 09 - 01:12 PM
Richard Bridge 10 Jul 09 - 01:13 PM
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Richard Bridge 11 Jul 09 - 05:20 AM
Peace 11 Jul 09 - 05:53 AM
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 06:05 AM

i think you cannot disagree with that. he managed to get people to do the most horrendous things.

Bizarrely enough, Bernie Eccleston's comments about Hitler are flat wrong (as well as grossly offensive) - Hitler was an incredibly inefficient leader (and personally a very lazy man), who deliberately fostered competition and duplication of effort throughout the government. The only thing he was good at was being a charismatic figurehead, specifically one who could make people feel that viciousness & brutality were noble.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:42 AM

he may have run his country into ruin, but look what he accomplished on a global scale!!

he was an absolute monster. evil personified,BUT when you watch the footage, he was adored?????????

i really don't understand how anyone could have thought he was worthy of such worship, or how they could do the things they did.

i think it is a good job that the BNP has no one in charge that can produce that kind of frenzy, there are nutters in this world who are willing to go even further than they did, if they were brought together under such a charismatic leader i dread to think of the consequences!!

it is our duty to decent folks everywhere to stop this happening. this is why we have all joined FaF in the first place.

this is OUR country, OUR music AND OUR history, we will not allow it to be used for hatred and discrimination.

it was built on cooperation and tolerance and long may it stay that way!!!!!

take care all

jade x x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 12:16 PM

Strange that F1 racing should have two such flawed characters at its heart (Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosely).


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 12:22 PM

since i am not into F1


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 12:25 PM

sorry pc went mad again.. i have only heard the name max mosely. what is his problem?

could you fill us in please?

cheers

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 01:46 PM

Son of Oswald, for one.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 03:21 PM

Max organised himself a spanking orgy (he was the spankee) with some authoritarian girls in uniform. One had a hidden camera and sold the pix to the News of the World. The News of the world decided to report that the girls were in nazi uniforms and Max sued for invasion of his privacy - and won.

Don't you read the papers?

It is one of the biggest threats to press freedom for some time - and indeed there was a big thread on it here. He is an authoritarian in a sport of wordlwide economic importance, and I think his relationship with authority is therefore a matter of genuine public importance.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 04:05 PM

no i don't tend to read the parpes as there is so much crap in them.
not to mention the frivilous stuff of who is doing whom.. i don't care!!!

i cannot read all the old threads it would take up my life!! well i ma addicted to the cat anyway, so it would be even more of my time.

i am a mudcat baby and have only been here since early may.

apart from the fact they were nazi uniforms why should we care if he was shagging one person or fourteen? unless he was forcing the girls to participate.   
this is why i don't read the papers, i am more interested in my own(lack of) sex life than someone elses.

take care all

jade x x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 06:08 PM

Jade you must take that lack up with your other half - who I infer to be the other in your Facebook pic.

It's not the fact that Mosely was getting his end away (or at least his rocks off), it's the fact that he has, it seems, an erotic fixation on authoritarianism and he wields a lot of authority on a global scale.

BTW, are you any relation to the famous Jade Rose, the Essex "glamour" model?

AFAIK your first post as guest was on the 14th May. Wonderful thing, Google.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 07:25 PM

ah now i get you.. i know it takes awhile!!   LOL

yes she is the other one in the picture, she sleeps and i play on here, how romantic are we???

no relation unfortunatly, she sounds like she makes alot of money we could do with a loan around now.

i really must get used to this google thing, honestly i would forget my name if i didn't have a tattoo on the back of my hand

love and respect

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 07:52 PM

no i don't tend to read the parpes as there is so much crap in them.

Wonderful, Jade. I am not sure if it was intentional but, if I may, I shall use that phrase forever to describe the gutter press. The parpes. Or maybe the parpers. The noise is about right and they make about as much sense as a parp. What a gem:-)

DeG

(Parp. Noun. Being either the noise a car horn makes or the noise that results from an excess of wind escaping from the nether regions. Depending on your locality, age and/or state of mind

Parp - verb. The act of parping. A horn or the other...)


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 05 Jul 09 - 08:21 PM

i hadn't even noticed that one!! piss myself laughing, i do check it but hey it works so i will go with it. the parps it is!!! cough splutter and chocking laughter.

take care all

love
jade x x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:11 PM

I get the point that Ruth presents that this is a local issue and the concentration of
protest against the BNP should come from those who really cherish English culture and music.

OTOH, there are people here in America who have never heard of the BNP and what they are about. The education has to be extended internationally. Solidarity with others who oppose fascism in every country is important.

Arundhati Roy has written recently that the demise of democracy in the world could mean
the demise of humanity. Authoritarian autocracy, imperialism, jingoism, pseudo-nationalism all work against our survival as a species. In this way, what the BNP stands for is reflective of a disease that could wipe out populations. For this reason, it is not just
a local problem.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 06 Jul 09 - 04:19 PM

Jade, your spelling is totally pants (mine isn't all that good tbh), but you do make many excellent posts!

I hate some of the stroppy spelling/grammar pedantry round here (DoE there, *isn't* an example btw!) so Don't ever change!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 07 Jul 09 - 07:12 AM

"Dear Jade, I just spoke to Carrie and Ann, they send their love."


who are these people? could you warn them they are being used to make this person seem genuine.if they are real.

take care all

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 03:06 AM

A list of criminal convictions of BNP people


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 01:01 PM

On the subject of convictions held by BNP members, it is interesting to look at some of their overseas convictions.

The founder of the BNP's Hereford chapter is Lambertus Nieuwhof, a South-African white supremacist and leading member of the AWP, a terrorist group in the old SA run by Eugene Terre-Blanche.

He was convicted of planting a 25kg bomb in a primary school in 1992. The bomb failed to go off which is the only reason he got a tragically lenient sentence from an apartheid-era court of 12 months SUSPENDED!

He also runs the BNP website/forum and if you want to ask him about it, you can reach him at 101 Crossways, Peterchurch, Herefordshire, HR2 0TG; or by phone on 01981 550888.

Nieuwhof's "thing" is advancing white-power by sparking race-war. Hence the plan of his, amongst others, to murder children at a school that "threatened" to go multi-racial.

Welcome to the cuddly world of BNP 2009.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 04:28 PM

I am satisfied with the definition of fascist as any person or group that actively seeks to deny the first amendment rights to individuals, the nation or the world.

In 2004 I yelled that there was a fire in the theatre of our nation and my dear new neighbors did the following:


challened my right to vote twice resulting in my casting 2 provisional ballots

Filed 10 IRS forms 3949 alleging we had not filed taxes in 10 years resulting in many hours and dollars proving our innocence.

Called our house between 2 AM and 4:30 AM over 450 times resulting in having the police trace their nearly untracable numbers.

Filed 2 unsubstantiated charges of child abuse against my wife and I resulting in an appearance at a hearing 7 months after the allegations and families not allowing our children to play with thiers.

The sudden and complete disappearence of my website of 7 years resulting in a loss of my illustrated book of my poems and songs.

eggs thrown at the house, urination on the door, fire set in yard and profanities written on signs.

Their whispering campaign regarding my family was full throated and loud enough for me to hear from our windows.

I was physically detained by one neighbor insisting that if I did not condone his gay bashing group I would be considered an enemy of God. There was also a despicable incident with him regarding my 4 year old son.

There were other cowardly and juvenile acts committed against us but they have now seemed to have stopped as we slowly descend into an economic disaster.

Mind you most of these are people live a mile outside the beltway and two of them are from the internet, one of which posts here claiming that our experience is all a lie and that I am clinicly paranoid.


The first instinct is to shut up and lay low but then fascism begins to grow exponentially stronger as a result.

Congress shall make no law to deny free speech... but individuals and religious groups have the above techniques and many other ways to deny certain people from the Constitutional rights our ancestors fought to preserve.

If McCain had won the election I am certain that domestic religious terrorism would have been openly waged between American neighbors and not select individuals like physicians and politicians that we still see today.


So the last several years have proved to me that the fascist enemy to free speech is not an individual devilish dynastic dictator who wins an election by careful manipulation but is actually the poorly educated religiously motivated neighbors who feel powerfully emboldened whenever they seek to silence the dissenter of "thier real America" or celebrate the brutal torture techniques of the Third Reich. Today these same fascists welcome the detonation of a bin Laden bomb in the USA as the means to once again abbandon the Constitution and inflict total control on our citiaens with themselves in charge.



The damage to me and my family in the last five years is real, permanent and ongoing as is the financial rape of my country by a better educated brand of greedy zealots called investment bankers.

The bright side is that people like myself are now working for the goverment we deserve instead of settling for whatever is inflicted upon us.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 04:38 PM

first amendment rights are American only and don't apply world-wide


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:21 PM

That a country back in 1776 would grant first ammendment rights tp its citizens is virtually a miracle.

It troubles me that the UK seems to have its free speech rights being eroded


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Emma B
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 06:29 PM

In the United Kingdom, the Public Order Act 1986 prohibits, by its Part 3, expressions of racial hatred.
"Racial hatred" is defined as hatred against a group of persons by reason of the group's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins. Section 18 of the Act says:

A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
Offences under Part 3 carry a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment or a fine or both.


The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech

Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.
This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities.

Not many times I can honestly say I'm so glad to be British!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:06 PM

People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought, which they seldom use.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 07:13 PM

Donuel,

That a country back in 1776 would grant first ammendment rights tp its citizens is virtually a miracle

You are right, Donuel. Too easy to be cynical and the vision of the founding fathers was nothing short of miraculous. It doesn't only speak to Americans, we all need to be upset that we have, collectively, never lived up to it.

An American patriot once said that modern day America was "The last and greatest betrayal of the last and greatest of human dreams"

This was not to denigrate USA, it was meant as a wake-up call. You have to have dreams.

I hope Obama has shoulders broad enough to carry all our expectations.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:05 AM

Refresh, just to wind Joe up.

    Aaaargh! love, -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:14 AM

Is this legit?

FaF Website


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:17 AM

Well "Webpage in progress".


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 04:38 AM

Crow Sister: yes.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 09:49 AM

I see the fascists have taken notice - here.
I had to smile at the tortured thinking behind this quote: Even though Show of Hands have disgraced themselves with their anti-BNP rhetoric, no "British" Asian or Black "British" could ever write a song such as "Roots."


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 10:29 AM

Show of Hands have disgraced themselves with their anti-BNP rhetoric

All of a sudden I like Show of Hands...


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 11:00 AM

Actually SoH's "Roots" is interesting, as it has (?) been adopted as some kind of right-wing volk anthem, hasn't it?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 11:13 AM

"Even though Show of Hands have disgraced themselves with their anti-BNP rhetoric, no "British" Asian or Black "British" could ever write a song such as "Roots."

There ARE certain elements, and they know who they are, who have long considered this song to be a "right wing" rant. The same crowd, I might add, who consider Countrylife by Steve Knightley to be playing into the hands of The Country Alliance, where as Countrylife, infact, laments the loss of rural housing to the 'townie' set who have taken the houses and made them into holiday homes, empty most of the year.


and no, much to surprise of Messers Knightley & Beer, Roots has not been adopted as a BNP anthem, it's that sort of rumour that hinders the real work at hand


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 12:11 PM

i do believe we have these 'people' worried. i am proud to be a part of this. we haven't really done anything yet and they are running scared!!!    yey !!!!!!

take care all

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 01:12 PM

The comments of "Roots" about estuarine English, with which I wholeheartedly agree, might well make it an inconvenient song in the East London and Essex constitutency of the BNP.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 01:13 PM

Mea culpa. THat should say "with which comments"


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 02:31 PM

"Freedom of Speech" in the US is often misunderstood. You can't yell "fire!" in a crowded theater. There are certain basic legal limits in place.

Freedom of Speech has to do more with the expression of ideas. Dissidence is an American tradition. I hope it doesn't become an endangered species.

Inflammatory speech can be protected under certain circumstances but not if it leads
to violence against a group of people. The KKK in this country can be reigned in for
their rhetoric. The Nazi Party is not given the freedom to express their ideas openly in a parade if they advocate violence. We have courts of law to settle this question.

Dissidence which promotes a violent response by law enforcement is a violation of the
American tradition of Free Speech. Warrantless wiretapping is another infringement.

It's important to make a distinction between Free Speech, (the right to express unpopular ideas) from using inflammatory language to promote violence against groups or individuals.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 05:20 AM

As an example of the BNP's use of "free speech", over on FaF they have created a fake identity under the name "Bruce Murdoch", and are using a picture of Bruce from the cover of his 1971 vinyl to go with it, and are using that ID and that picture to post messages favourable to the BNP - something that (we can see from his posts here) he would never ever do.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 05:53 AM

I
appreciate
you
pointing
it
out
to
me,
Richard.

I
must
have
said
something
they
don't
like.

Perhaps
it
was
"Funk
the
British
Nazi
Party."


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 06:01 AM

The word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else... almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist'.
George Orwell, What is Fascism?. 1944.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 09 - 06:42 AM

Sometimes
nice
don't
work.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 11:28 AM

Apparently the fake Bruce is using my name in vain, too, to claim I called someone a "fake." I have stayed out of these threads and had closed down my facebook acct. I will get back on there to post a similar message to this one. Thanks, Richard, for letting me know. It is despicable.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 12:52 PM

The fake Bruce's post has been modded off FaF - but here is the address of his profile, that will still enable you to report him


http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=Bruce+Murdoch&init=q&sid=6711d6872a0eef074f9fb7981efc12d4#/profile.php?id=100000056924968&hiq=bruce%2Cmurdoch


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 08:11 PM

Whomever it is has also sent some PMs on facebook, supposedly from me. Not so, folks.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 08:38 PM

Using my Mudcat member photo.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 08:48 PM

Kat, I am trying to get an e-mail address for Facebook. They are BNP types and not very nice. When I do get an address to send info to I'll message you. Richard let me know about it, too. Thank you, Sir.

I have never posted on Facebook (maybe once, but if so it was about two or three months back when I was trying to post a "Hello. I'm new to Facebook," but I don't think it took. I tried to have an account but I could never figure out exactly HOW to post so I think I didn't. Someone took the info, opened up in my name and is now playing games. I hope Facebook will help with this because I not only want those posts deleted--there are two or three attributed to me that I know nothing about--but I want the addresses of the people who did it, the info on them. And I think I will get it.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: curmudgeon
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 08:51 PM

"Using my Mudcat member photo."

This, I believe means that the miscreant is a Mudcat member as the photo section has limited access - Tom


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 08:57 PM

anyone who knows you guys will know that it is not you.
i am worried about those people on FB who do not visit here. i do not want your good names tarnished by these idiots. you are all people i respect and will do anything i can to help.
btw you are all boring old farts and i am a silly girl,it has been awhile since anyone called me a girl, so i am happy. anyway aren't all folkies boring? though it takes a special nutter to be a morris dancer, drinking and singing till late then getting up early and putting on those bells?????????? why? or should that be how????

sorry i went off on one didn't i?

take care all

jade x x x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 09:27 PM

They're just doing what Nazis do. They brought the big lie to us all and showed how effectively the big lie works. But, I grew up on the same kinda streets they did. Thank you for that, Jeddy, Kat and Richard.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Jul 09 - 11:22 PM

Exactly, tom. Makes ya feel all warm and fuzzy about fellow 'catters, eh?

Bruce, I wandered around in the Help Centre and found this posted. It seemed to work. I've sent them a message and received an email confirmation that they had received it:


http://www.facebook.com/help/contact_generic.php

They do not make that very easy to find.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 12:28 AM

Thank
you
very
much,Kat.
I
will
try
that
but
one
address
needsaURL.

What's
a
URL?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Azizi
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 01:00 AM

URL: "Abbreviation of Uniform Resource Locator, the global address of documents and other resources on the World Wide Web".

In other words, the address of a website which starts with http://www

For what it's worth, I don't know about Fcebook, but when writing a comment on other websites, in addition to asking for your tag name, and your email address, some ask for a "URL" and some ask for a "web address". On those websites, I've left the box for web adress blank and the comment is still accepted.

That might work on Facebook.


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