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Folk Against Fascism

MBSGeorge 01 Jul 09 - 09:53 AM
Gervase 01 Jul 09 - 09:46 AM
GUEST,MJ 01 Jul 09 - 09:43 AM
Fred McCormick 01 Jul 09 - 09:33 AM
Andy Jackson 01 Jul 09 - 08:58 AM
Gervase 01 Jul 09 - 05:05 AM
Fred McCormick 01 Jul 09 - 04:48 AM
Andy Jackson 01 Jul 09 - 02:57 AM
Gervase 30 Jun 09 - 05:07 PM
Frozen Gin (inactive) 30 Jun 09 - 04:33 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 30 Jun 09 - 04:16 PM
Frozen Gin (inactive) 30 Jun 09 - 03:51 PM
jeddy 30 Jun 09 - 03:41 PM
Frozen Gin (inactive) 30 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM
Fred McCormick 30 Jun 09 - 07:23 AM
Vic Smith 30 Jun 09 - 07:15 AM
Fred McCormick 30 Jun 09 - 05:45 AM
Vic Smith 29 Jun 09 - 05:24 PM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 09 - 05:20 PM
jeddy 29 Jun 09 - 04:44 PM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 09 - 04:23 PM
Emma B 29 Jun 09 - 04:16 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 29 Jun 09 - 04:14 PM
The Barden of England 29 Jun 09 - 04:05 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 29 Jun 09 - 03:54 PM
Fred McCormick 29 Jun 09 - 03:48 PM
The Barden of England 29 Jun 09 - 03:48 PM
jeddy 29 Jun 09 - 03:44 PM
The Sandman 29 Jun 09 - 03:38 PM
The Sandman 29 Jun 09 - 03:37 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 29 Jun 09 - 03:35 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 29 Jun 09 - 03:29 PM
Crow Sister (off with the fairies) 29 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM
The Barden of England 29 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM
The Barden of England 29 Jun 09 - 03:19 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 29 Jun 09 - 03:15 PM
The Barden of England 29 Jun 09 - 03:07 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 29 Jun 09 - 02:55 PM
The Barden of England 29 Jun 09 - 01:57 PM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 09 - 01:43 PM
Rifleman (inactive) 29 Jun 09 - 11:09 AM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 09 - 11:05 AM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 09 - 10:18 AM
Royston 29 Jun 09 - 09:22 AM
Richard Bridge 29 Jun 09 - 08:28 AM
jeddy 29 Jun 09 - 07:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: MBSGeorge
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 09:53 AM

Change it now please that is a libelous statement!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 09:46 AM

MJ - it's easily done!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: GUEST,MJ
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 09:43 AM

Andy

It has already been stated on another thread that it is not quite as simple as just changing your sudoname on Mudcat.

'SHE' has been MBS for as long as she has been online and has every right to continue to be so.

MJ


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 09:33 AM

A thought occurred to me this morning. Nick Griffin hates the niqâb and burqa. Indeed he hates any form of Muslim uniform which involves covering the face. Repressive and mysoginistic says he, remembering to put his trousers on.

Nick Griffin has been to the USA and hobnobbed with leading members of the Ku Klux Klan. If he hasn't tried the Klan uniform, I'll put that non-dietary hat of mine straight back on the menu. What, I wonder does Griffin make of the Klan veil, which is designed to anonymously threaten and terrorise and kill innocent people and burn them out of their homes, where Muslim face covering is merely regarded as a means of preserving female modesty?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 08:58 AM

Exactly so Fred McC., that's what I want to see here, not internal bickering and point scoring. I certainly wasn't saying the debate on "Black Faced Morris" was not important, just that we don't need to chat amongst ourselves about it. As I said, we probably all feel the same., but what we do want is proper evidence of BNP's activities, like the link from Gervase.

All power to your elbow,

FAFAndy    (for as long as SHE still goes by MBS)


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 05:05 AM

The Bloody Nasty People seem to be exercised about the blackface morris issue, with a morris dancer contributing to the debate here.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 04:48 AM

"we might be going in circles but it is important to keep this thread in the list of recent topics, for people who only visit every so often and might not be aware of what is happening."

I agree it's important to keep this thread going. That's partly because 'British' folk music is right in the BNP's firing line, and partly because we as singers, musicians, writers etc ought to be using whatever talent we've got to help organise against them. For the matter of that, there's also the question of what happens to the music of the rest of the world, should the BNP ever gain power. Yes, I'm talking about all the third world music which has become infinitely more accessible in this country over the last thirty years,and which the BNP would undoubtedly ban.

But internal arguing about who said what, and who's a closet troll, and who has the finest set of fascist bashing credentials won't merely get us nowhere. They are counter productive. If you want to start an argument please do it where it won't impede serious discussion.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 01 Jul 09 - 02:57 AM

There are no sidetracks fromthe issue at hand. All the nonsense like the "Blacked up Morris Ban" and the like must be noted and kept in view. Keep a file somewere and store thgis stuff there. But WE don't need to keep bringing these issues up here, surely we are already clear how WE feel, after all we are "Folkies".
I really think we should be reporting here on the actual activities of the Bloody Nasty People.

FAF Andy


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 05:07 PM

No, from my reading the blacking tradition and the complaints around it are an unecessary side track from the overall issue at hand (a red herring as it were)
I dunno - the issue could be seen as a gift to the BNP, so it's very important to be absolutely clear what lies behind the tradition. Already some people have made a kneejerk reaction and gone onto 'political correctness gone mad' autopilot without considering the inextricable linking of the 'n' word with the border tradition.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:33 PM

"Anyone see the current discussions about blacking 'traditions', pertinent to this campaign?"

No, from my reading the blacking tradition and the complaints around it are an unecessary side track from the overall issue at hand (a red herring as it were)


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 04:16 PM

I think 'they' took it to PM already - indeed some time ago. So onwards...!

Any updates on the progress of a FaF website?

Anyone taken any initiatives in support of the campaign, or fancy suggesting any?

Anyone see the current discussions about blacking 'traditions', pertinent to this campaign?

I contacted my local SU about the campaign, but as yet have had no response. I imagine SU staff in general are busy with other more academic stuff at this time of year though.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 03:51 PM

Oh, I agree, the issue is a dire one but it's hard to focus on the topic at hand when you have folks, screaming at one another like old washerwomen. The two of you, and you know who you are, cease and desist forthwith and please don't point the fingers and say that he or she (as the case may be) started it, I don't care who started it, stop it now!!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 03:41 PM

we might be going in circles but it is important to keep this thread in the list of recent topics, for people who only visit every so often and might not be aware of what is happening.

it is also important IMO that we keep on top of this and not get complaisent(?) about what 'they' are up to.

take care all

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Frozen Gin (inactive)
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM

"This is a serious discussion about the biggest threat to individual liberty and multi-cultural fraternity, and the rights of ethnic minorities to live in peace since the Berlin bunker. All you are doing is impeding the discussion."

It appears to be another of those circular discussions that goes around and around, getting no where. It's fairly obvious what most people think of the BNP, and it's fairly obvious what some people want to do about the BNP rather than just talk about it..enough said


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:23 AM

They are quite likely Ameircan models who've been dressed up for the occasion. The BNP uses an American agency for such things. With any luck that will be because no reputable photographic agency in this country would touch them with a bargepole.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Vic Smith
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 07:15 AM

Fred McCormick said
"re the photograph in the Guardian article. If that isn't a fake I'll eat my hat. "


Whether they are authentic Muslim women or not, it is clear that the photo has been doctored. The proportions of the photo have clearly been changed to make the women appear wider in proportion to their height - and this has been done to make them appear more threatening. This also explains the visual effect of the impossibly wide V-sign.

I would say that your hat has a non-dietary future, Fred.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Jun 09 - 05:45 AM

Vic and Emma B. Thanks for sorting me out over the Guardian article. I always thought racist leaflets were banned under anti-racist legislation. Obviously that's not the case, and something we need to organise to change.

Rifleman and several others. Will you for f**k's sake cool it. This is a serious discussion about the biggest threat to individual liberty and multi-cultural fraternity, and the rights of ethnic minorities to live in peace since the Berlin bunker. All you are doing is impeding the discussion.

BTW., and re the photograph in the Guardian article. If that isn't a fake I'll eat my hat. OK., in my case arthritis and old age have set in, but I tried doing a V sign and my fingers just will not not stick out like that.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Vic Smith
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 05:24 PM

Fred McCormick asked -
Vic, I can't trace the Guardian story, Racist, threatening - and beyond the law, which you mentioned as being at http://www.guardian.co.uk/ . Could you post the direct link?


I did say, Fred, that It has not reached the on-line version of the newspaper at http://www.guardian.co.uk/ yet but it should do in the next few hours. and at 10pm BST it still has not reached that website...... But as your are an old mate, I've text scanned it for you.

Racist, threatening - and beyond the law. Procecutors call for action on BNP leaflets.



Pressure mounts for end to race hate law loopholes
GPS powerless to pursue complaints made by police



Afua Hirsch and Matthew Taylor

Senior prosecutors are calling for the laws on race hate crimes to be strengthened to counter the threat posed by the British National Party.
The threshold for securing a conviction is so high that far-right activists are able to evade prosecution for material that many people would consider to be threatening and racist, according to sources at the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
Prosecutors blame the lack of con­victions on the strict legal test, which requires showing an intention to "stir up racial hatred" or a likelihood that racial tension would be stirred up.
The offence, which was created under the Public Order Act, only applies to acts that take place or are witnessed in public so it does not cover leaflets that are pushed through people's letterboxes. It also offers no protection against the publication of inaccurate or false information.
Several BNP leaflets have been referred to the CPS over the last five years - some by senior police officers and one by a judge -but no further action has been taken.
Peter Herbert, the chairman of the Society of Black Lawyers and a part-time judge, submitted a complaint last year over a leaflet called The Changing Face of Lon­don that had two pictures, one depicting an all-white street party fom the 1950s, the other showing three Muslim women wearing a niqab, one of whom is making a V-sign to the camera.

"Under the law, it has become extremely difficult to mount a prosecution against extremism and hate speech," said Her­bert. "But with the rise of the BNP, and the subsequent rise in racist attacks and the fear the party's leaflets can provoke, it is essential to deal effectively with this threat."


Herbert said the law should protect peo­ple from material that creates a fear of rac­ist attacks as well as those that are deemed to incite racial hatred. "All the evidence suggests that it is people from minority communities and the faith communities that are put in fear of violence when racist leaflets are delivered in town centres or on estates. If someone handed out the same thing in the workplace, most employers would consider that gross misconduct; if someone does the same thing in the street, there is very little we can do."
Another complaint was submitted to the CPS by Lancashire police who expressed concern about a BNP leaflet which blamed Muslims for the heroin trade. Four people were arrested and released on police bail last year but detectives are still waiting to hear from the CPS about whether they have grounds to prosecute for "incitement to stir up racial hatred".

In another incident, Derbyshire police alerted the CPS about a BNP election leaflet claiming three asylum seekers had raped a woman. The police said the rape claims were "unfounded", but the CPS said there were no grounds to prosecute under existing law. "Whilst those details in the leaflet regarding the alleged rape are factually incorrect, this in itself does not constitute a criminal offence," said a CPS spokesman at the time.

A senior prosecutor told the Guardian: "There are numerous problems. The test to show incitement is very high and the material has to be distributed in public rather than put through people's doors. This makes it really difficult to get con­victions for material which many people consider racist."
A GPS source confirmed that the organisation would review its policies on prosecuting race hate crimes following the election of two BNP candidates, includ­ing the party's leader, Nick Griffin, to the European parliament.
"We will need to look again at the situ­ation with prosecuting incidences of this material," the source said.
Last week, the Equality and Human Rights Commission, the official watch­dog on race and equality, wrote a formal letter to the BNP giving them one month to remedy three alleged breaches of the Race Relations Act, including the party's whites-only membership policy.
That announcement increased the likelihood of legal action against the BNP in the civil courts, but critics say there have been too few criminal proceedings, despite material distributed by the party which many regard as inflammatory.
Herbert, the former chair of the Metro­politan police race hate crime forum, said a number of anti-racism and human rights bodies would back a change in the law.
"I expect a strong coalition will form around this idea and put pressure on the government to instigate a change in primary legislation as soon as possible," he said.
Anti-racism campaigners welcomed the crackdown on inflammatory or racist leaflets but warned more was needed to effectively counter the threat posed by the BNP.
"Where the BNP has been distributing racially offensive material, it is right that they should be prosecuted with the full force of the law," said a spokesman for the anti-fascist organisation Searchlight. "However, the way we will defeat Nick Griffin and his party is street by street and estate by estate, not lawyer by lawyer and courtroom by courtroom."


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 05:20 PM

Thanks Jeddy - feel free to post them in public, we might as well all have a laugh.

I'll have a word in the pub some time this week - the landlord looks like a compact pit bull and keeps two staffs - and has a picture of him shaking hands with Reggie Kray on the wall, so if anyone tries to disrupt his pub it may get entertaining...


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:44 PM

so if i have got this right the police can't do anything unless the threat is personal and witnessed, no matter what.

aarrggggggggg!!!!!

this is so frustrating if we can all see what is going on, then why can't the law. i don't understand why it is okay for the BNP and not okay for ( whats his name)??   the islamic bloke the one who i think got deported.... you know who i mean.

surely inciting racial hatred should be delt with the same no matter what religion, colour, or political stance these nutters want to take.

anyway, richard, i hope that stuff helped if i get anything more that might help, do you want me to PM them or post them so others can see??

take care all and keep your wits about you.

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:23 PM

That's quite fascinating Jeddy. I know where Kev and Val were at the weekend - and it wasn't the Nag's Head. I also know where Marian and Marion (two different people) and Brian were - and that wasn't the Nag's Head either.

I look forward to HoffBridge's attempt to prove either that he is me (which he isn't) or that he is the copyright owner of the photograph of me that he uses (which he also isn't). The latter should prove especially hilarious since he is under the impression that there is a verb "to copyright".

He also doesn't know how to spell the name he renders as "Carrie".

I have never messaged you on facebook.

What a complete twerp he is. His attempts to use parts of my or Royston's postings are so obviously misplaced. It does however demonstrate the paucity of understanding of BNP members.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Emma B
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:16 PM

Fred, I think this may have been the Guardian story

Prosecutors press for action against BNP leaflets

"Senior prosecutors are calling for the laws on race hate crimes to be strengthened to counter the threat posed by the British National party.

The threshold for securing a conviction is so high that far-right activists are able to evade prosecution for material that many people would consider to be threatening and racist, according to sources at the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).

The offence, which was created under the Public Order Act, only applies to acts that take place or are witnessed in public so it does not cover leaflets that are pushed through people's letter boxes.
It also offers no protection against the publication of inaccurate or false information.

Several BNP leaflets have been referred to the CPS over the last five years – some by senior police officers and one by a judge – but no further action has been taken

In another incident, Derbyshire police alerted the CPS about a BNP election leaflet claiming three asylum seekers had raped a woman. The police said the rape claims were "unfounded", but the CPS said there were no grounds to prosecute under existing law. "Whilst those details in the leaflet regarding the alleged rape are factually incorrect, this in itself does not constitute a criminal offence," said a CPS spokesman at the time."


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:14 PM

and complaints will be made, I assure you. As I said, people who need to know who I am already know...


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 04:05 PM

So Rifleman, you make judgements on people even though you don't know them. Par for the course if you ask me.

And with that I believe that I've indulged in enough thread drift. TROLL all you want Rifleman. When you do you'll get constant PM's in the future.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:54 PM

If I'd wanted to know about you, Barden, I would have asked...I didn't ask.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:48 PM

Vic, I can't trace the Guardian story, Racist, threatening - and beyond the law, which you mentioned as being at http://www.guardian.co.uk/ . Could you post the direct link? Many muchos.

In the meantime, whilst looking for that item, I found an even more disturbing story at http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/29/white-supremacist-neil-lewington

A white supremacist with a bomb factory, and a National Front member apparently. Charming character!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:48 PM

Rifleman - Then good for you. Just expect someone like me to pull you up when you cast doubts about the proberty of the people I DO know.And seeing as you don't know me, I've let you know who I am, and can assure you that at 64 years of age I've 'Been there' and 'Done that' too. And what's more I still am.

Sorry for the thread drift everybody.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:44 PM

i have recieved the following messages.



I was talking to Kev and Val at the weekend in the Nag's Head and they were telling me Richard has been sending you pm's on mudcat, Just be careful Jade, Richard is a nice guy, but he might be looking jockeying (look at what happened with Marion that time).

Brian was there too with Val and Kev.

2nd one..

I have sent the following message to the website "Digg".

"Sir

The Digg user "HoffBridge" is lawful.I am using a photograph of meself which shows my best side, you have permission to copyrightit as I am the owner. My name is Bridge, and a nickname by which I am sometimes known is "Hoff". All postings, thus using my name and likeness, in support of the great BNP (British National Party - UNLIKE like the American Klu Klux Klan) are intended to and do carry the defamatory implication that I am a member of Mudcat cafe.

I require you tell everyone who I am on the site.

If I do not hear from you within 7 days agreeing to my demand, I will post a picture of myself in swimming trunks standing with Marion !

All of my rights are hereby reserved.

RIchard McD. Bridge"

What do you think of it ?


3rd one...

Dear Jade, I just spoke to Carrie and Ann, they send their love.

It seems quite clear to me that the agitator here is a member on the Mudcat forum. Some others may also be thinking along similar lines but I do not intend to propose names as it cannot be proven completely (unless someone can provide me with actual emails (including all headers) from these people and also the IP addresses of their posts to forums.

Anyway that's all for now, please pm me again on Mudcat, I always look forward to your pm's over there.

Love Richard ( by the way, your not a bad looking tart).




i have had others but have deleted them or they are not implicating anyone else.

sorry if some of those were you richard but i didn't think you were on FB.

i hope this helps in narrowing down the culprit!!!!!

right now i think i should read everyone eles postings.

take care

jade x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:38 PM

Mike Hockenhull.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:37 PM

700


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:35 PM

Oh and......The people that I feel NEED to know who I am already know....


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:29 PM

I know the difference thanks, Barden, I've known it for alonggggg time, and no, I don't know you.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM

I've noticed a couple of threads from our favourite Guests seeking information about potentially racist or at least racially 'sensitive' subjects. There are of course excellent reasons to genuinely discuss such matters, yet when raised by Guests, there are obvious doubts about the veracity of such requests.

I'd suggest leaving obvious racists alone to do their own research into provocative songs, and let them entertain themselves by themselves, with their fascinating findings. I'd also like to request that the moderators keep a firm eye on such provocative Guest requests - but I expect that'd be quite futile.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:23 PM

Details PM'd
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:19 PM

I wondered when you would stoop to that. I WILL preach to you whenever I feel the NEED, as you put it. You don't know me, but if you want to I'm about to PM you my details. Please reciprocate, and we can carry on whatever slanging match you feel you need to without this board.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:15 PM

"Tell that to the starving, the disposessed, and the repressed. They know the difference, which you don't appear to"

Don't EVER preach and me Barden, I've seen, felt, and experienced all of your ravings and more!!

Repressed, YOU don't even know the meaning of the word, sunshine, and I doubt you could EVER begin to conceive of the meaning.
so on yer bicycle!


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 03:07 PM

I,ve said all I need to say on this and other matters regarding this FaF organisation
WRONG - you've said all you've wanted to say - there's a great big gaping hole between NEED and WANT. Tell that to the starving, the disposessed, and the repressed. They know the difference, which you don't appear to.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 02:55 PM

"Walk another mile in your moccasins, as you claim, and while doing so, think."

I've walked further than you'll ever know and further than you'll you'll ever do, I don't have tio justify myself especially to you, your politics are not my politics and never will be.

You're right it is conjecture...I'll play wait and see.

"How about lightening up?"

I,ve said all I need to say on this and other matters regarding this FaF organisation


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 01:57 PM

OK Rifleman - try this. His politics are his to know. However, his denunciation of the BNP and what is stands for are clear and unmistakeable. I know Royston personally, and KNOW this to be the truth. Yours is just conjecture as you don't appear to have met him. How about lightening up?
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 01:43 PM

Walk another mile in your moccasins, as you claim, and while doing so, think.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:09 AM

"His politics are sound....."

by whose standards?


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 11:05 AM

I was going to put something similar as a note on all of HoffBridge's posts, but the website is so slow and clunky that it would have taken decades.

I might try early tomorrow morning when the KKK are between their white silken sheets (in stead of wearing them), and the BNP still under their stones...


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 10:18 AM

I have sent the following message to the website "Digg".

"Sir

The Digg user "HoffBridge" is unlawfully impersonating me. He is using a photograph of me for his identity, without the permission of the copyright owner. My name is Bridge, and a nickname by which I am sometimes known is "Hoff".   His postings, thus using my name and likeness, in support of the loathsome and racist BNP (British National Party - rather like the American Klu Klux Klan) are intended to and do carry the defamatory implication that I am a member of the BNP and a racist.

I require you to remove his identity and all of its postings from the site.

If I do not hear from you within 7 days agreeing to my demand, I am likely to bring legal proceedings against you without further notice. I am a solicitor.

All of my rights are hereby reserved.

RIchard McD. Bridge"


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Royston
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 09:22 AM

It seems quite clear to me that the agitators are one or both of only two card-carrying fascists that I know of and which also lurk on this forum as Guests / Readers and perhaps under other registered names. Some others may also be thinking along similar lines but I do not intend to propose names as it cannot be proven completely (unless someone can provide me with actual emails (including all headers) from these people and also the IP addresses of their posts to forums.

It's all very childish but then it is meaningless to me as I do not use any networking sites, because they are just chock-full of trolls and fascists. It's like the Guardian "Talk is Free" site, but even more pointless.

As an anti-racist / anti-fascist activist, I've learned to let "them" have these pointless forums. By staying off them altogether, anyone who matters will always know that any bookspace or myface activity with my name must in fact have been done by the fascists.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 08:28 AM

Jeddy, I think it would be helpful to many of us to see the entire message that you got. The apparent linkage to the Nag's Head is possibly significant.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 07:08 AM

brian, kev and val and marion have all been dragged into this too.
i don't know if they are real but go to the nags head if that exists.

the message was from joanie ' large pair' crump.

why would anyone waste their time in this way?????????????????
i am hardly likely to take any notice, but am worried that if these people exist, they might get some flack for it.

take care all

jade x x x


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: The Barden of England
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 06:52 AM

Rifleman, you've got it SO wrong. Royston is exactly who he says he is, and it's obvious to me that 'Rifleman Royston, is but another of those BNP bastards to try and 'divide and conquer'. The same outrageous thing happened to Richard Bridge. It's pretty obvious that it is some odious arsehole who reads Mudcat on a regular basis or maybe even a contributor. 'Daily Mail Reader' comes to mind who was so cowardly that he/she/it hid behind a GUEST name. 'GUEST-Scum of the Earth' would have been a much more fitting way to sign in.
I'll repeat - Royston would never have done this.
John Barden


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Vic Smith
Date: 29 Jun 09 - 06:20 AM

Read the article on page 3 of today's (29th June) The Guardian entitled Racist, threatening - and beyond the law. Procecutors call for action on BNP leaflets.

It has not reached the on-line version of the newspaper at
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ yet but it should do in the next few hours.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 02:25 PM

Oh, please don't tell the sheep at Knockholt that I am not a pervert! They will be so disappointed.

But, Rifleman, you are being very silly if you think the Royston here is anyone other than the real Royston. His politics are sound. You are an enigma. Every so often you say something really sensible - and then you say something totally daft.


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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism
From: jeddy
Date: 28 Jun 09 - 02:23 PM

because i use the same name here as i do FB, i assume that the idenity theif thinks that it will be too obvious to nick mine, since the photo with it is me and the other half looking like you wouldn't want to be left alone with us, maybe that is the reason.

i think the way to go is, if you are unsure come here and use PMs.

it is good that we are all too aware how easy it is to setup a page somewhere else in someone elses name, this makes us suspisious, but as long as we keep our wits about us... WE WILL CONQUER!!

stand together and no one can devide us.

tkae care all

jade x x


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